COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

LoveGodsWord said:

You say you see. This is your problem. He has shown me that I am blind and because of this he makes me see. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

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Can you see? Please explain the following, bring them into cohesion:


9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God 1John3:9

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
1John1:8

LoveGodsWord said:

It has been explained through God's WORD many times already. WE are sinners in need of a Saviour. God's LAW is the mirror.

ROMANS 3:20 [20] Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

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No explanation I see as to why sinfull passions are aroused in people by the law if they live under it.
This private study of yours, would you say it has been successful?

LoveGodsWord said:

If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear. Truly, truly, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I say unto you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

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Why quote iJohn 3:9, as soon as you are asked to answer a simple question concerning it you cannot.
As I keep telling you, just copy/pasting the letter all the time, does not show you understand spiritual truth

LoveGodsWord said:

It is not difficult....

1 JOHN 1:8-10

[8], If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

All we are without Jesus are sinners and all we can do without Jesus is sin because we have a sinfaul human nature. ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God there is none righteous no not one (Romans 3:23; Romans 3:10)

[9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

God's promise of forgiveness and CLEANSING from SIN.

[10], If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Have sinned is past tense not future...

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Ridiculous I'm afraid

If WE(WE, Christians, John is including himself) claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

You cannot bring the verses into cohesion can you. It isn't difficult-if you can see

LoveGodsWord said:

Ok friend nice to chat to you maybe we can chat more latter... hope these scripture help you.

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You haven't been helpful at all I'm afraid.
You cannot tell me why sinfull passions are aroused in people by the law if they live under it
You cannot bring 1John 1:8&1John 3:9 into alignment, and when you are asked a simple question as to whether someone born again can commit sin you cannot answer yes or no. Just gets camoflauged with copy/pasting the letter.

A minister of a church, would not have such a luxury. But as you are not one, you can get away with it here

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God 1John3:9

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
1John1:8


If you asked most Christians:

Does someone have to be sinless in order to be in a saved state/born again, they would obviously reply no, for they know they are not perfect in the flesh(1John1:8)

However, if you asked most Christians, whether someone committing sin as a general lifestyle could be born of God/saved, they would reply no(1John3:9)

1stcenturylady said:

You missed my addition:

Besides the end of the paragraph shows this has to do with the Law of Liberty, not the Ten Commandments

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Psalm 119:44-47 So I will keep Your law continually,
Forever and ever. 45 And I will walk at liberty,
For I seek Your precepts. 46 I will also speak of Your testimonies before kings And shall not be ashamed.

; )

Romans7:5

You see, it is the penalty of sin that makes you so fearful of sin, and your fear of sin produces great allurement in you to sin. If I said to you, “If you think of a pink rabbit, God will condemn you to hell,” what is the first thing you will think of if you believe me? You would try desperately never to think of such a creature, wouldn’t you? You would become agitated at the thought of a pink rabbit. You would be, animated, overwrought, disturbed, nervous, and panic stricken at the thought of the creature. You would end up in a frenzied state concerning it, I imagine. Now the more these emotions overcome you concerning the creature, the more the thought of the creature will overwhelm you; it will become irresistible. You see, however, as you know there is no penalty of condemnation in place if you think of a pink rabbit, you will not get worked up about it, will you? Paul states Romans 7:5-6:


For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. (NIV)



Paul tells us the law arouses sinful passions in us when we live under it. For he goes on to say we die to the law − we have been released from the law (of righteousness) as Christians and serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the written code (the law). Why does he say the law arouses sinful passions for those living under it?

Well, you see, the same emotions that would overcome you at the thought of a pink rabbit, if you believed such thoughts could condemn you, would also overcome you where sin is concerned if you live under the law. The penalty for sin is in place if you live under the law, isn’t it? Your sin, therefore can condemn you to hell. You would be extremely agitated at the thought of sin. You would be animated, overwrought, disturbed, nervous, and panic stricken at the thought of sin. Now the more these emotions concerning sin overcome you, the more sin will overwhelm you, and the more your ability to resist sin will weaken. Why is this? Because those emotions bring you to an excited state, friend. They are all bar panic-stricken definitions of the word excite. And the definition of panic-stricken is “frenzy,” and the definition of frenzy is “wild excitement.” The emotions that result from your fear of the penalty for sin bring you to a very excited (or aroused) state where sin is concerned. If you live under the law, therefore, your fear of breaking it (sin) results in sinful passions being aroused in you. That is why Paul tells us the law arouses sinful passions in us if we live under it.

Marco70 said:

Rom 3:31 great scripture:

Do we then nullify the law by this faith(a righteousness of faith in Christ not observing the law) Not at all! Rather we uphold the law

Unfortunately, if you believe committing sin/breaking the law places you in an unsaved state, the verse is negated for your life

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(emphasis mine)


Perhaps if you said not "based" on observing the Law [meaning based on faith] this may be correct. But as it is stated it "sounds" like our faith in Messiah is lawless. I don't think that is what you meant.

Dig4truth said:

(emphasis mine)


Perhaps if you said not "based" on observing the Law [meaning based on faith] this may be correct. But as it is stated it "sounds" like our faith in Messiah is lawless. I don't think that is what you meant.

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Yes, I can see your thinking. From my point of view, it is assuming we know the born again Christian in their heart wants to obey God, therefore although they have no righteousness of observing the law, this could not mean they then believe they can live a lawless life, for the law remains in their heart for as long as they live, and what is in your heart, you in your heart want to follow.
In the preceeding ten verses, Paul has stated the Christian has no righteousness of observing the law, they are not justified by obeying it. I think he felt some of his readers may view his words as a licence to sin, therefore he corrected such thinking in verse 31.
I do take your point, possibly I should have elaborated at the same time what being born again entails

Dig4truth said:

And that is the irony that so many cannot see. The Law is not a way TO life it is a way OF life.

Once saved by faith and then led by the Holy Spirit, who leads us into truth, we will live by our Master's words, His commands.


Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

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What law? I thought Jesus is the way of life. Funny that you are more concerned with telling others all about the law and seldom about Jesus.

The law couldn't save one soul. In fact the Law was not salvational. It was the guide given by God to only the Israelites for the way they were to live in the desert and in Canaan.

LoveGodsWord said:

Not at all.

Jesus says he who commits sin is a servant of sin. If the son shall make you free you shall be free indeed (John 8:31-36)

If you are not in bondage to SIN (breaking God's Commandments) you are free indeed to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of GOd's LAW in those who through FAITH BELIEVE GOD'S WORD. The Law of liberty is freedom from known sin by walking in LOVE through His Spirit and is why Jesus says; If you LOVE me keep my commandments (James 2:12; Romans 8:1-4; John 14:15).

God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Good and Evil) see ROMANS 3:20 and PS 119:172. Nothing more and nothing less. Salvation is by FAITH in GOd's WORD to be free to LOVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

LOVE is the fulfilling of GOd's LAW written on the heart in those who BELIEVE (Romans 13:8-10)

You did not read the post and the scriptures above your post did you?

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You've got the gist of the New Covenant just fine, no problem. However, it is not the Ten Commandments, it is the Law of Liberty, the commandments of Jesus - to believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love your neighbor. So, here again, that is John's belief too so you can't use any books written by John where he uses the word "commandments." The law written on our hearts is the royal law - Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind and love your neighbor. Jesus is God.

Where the 10C says murder, the Law of Liberty says hate. If you hate your brother, you haven't broken the 10C, but you have broken the Law of Liberty. Same with adultery. If you lust after a woman, you haven't broken the 10C, but you have broken the Law of Liberty. I like the way @EastCoastRemnant puts it. Jesus fleshed out the 10C. He did indeed.

Sin is a transgression of the Law of Liberty.

The act of murder was still the schoolmaster. Jesus graduated us to remove the core root, hate. That is why we are free INDEED. Jesus was manifested to take away our sin by giving us His Spirit who cannot sin 1 John 3. We are dead to sin (Romans 6:2) and are not in the old flesh but in the Spirit - the new man (Romans 8:9).

Read the difference of what is now required from the sermon on the mount.

Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

John 15:10
10 If you keep My commandments (the Law of Liberty), you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments (the 10C) and abide in His love.

As you see, Jesus' goes much deeper.

This is what Jesus came to do:
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
Daniel 9:24

Also, this is my understanding - Jesus never said to remember the Sabbath Day, He said to believe on Me - the Lord of the Sabbath. There is no law that says you can't do both, or that observing the 7th day while you believe on Jesus is wrong. If your heart does not condemn you, you have a good conscience toward God, and He answers your prayers (the test).

The only problem comes when you say I must keep the 7th day, or I tell you, you must only believe in Jesus. Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.

Now, you've said what you have to say, and I likewise. I love you, brother

In Gal 3 Paul starts out by calling the Galatians foolish. Foolish because they started out being Christians by hearing the Word and were being persuaded by the Jews to keep the Sinai covenant. Isn't that what is happening here on this forum? Some are trying to persuade Christians that we must adhere to some of the laws of the Sinai covenant. Even those who thump keeping the now defunct covenant cannot agree which laws must be kept.


Faith or works of the law
3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain – if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham ‘believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.’

Dig4truth said:

Psalm 119:44-47 So I will keep Your law continually,
Forever and ever. 45 And I will walk at liberty,
For I seek Your precepts. 46 I will also speak of Your testimonies before kings And shall not be ashamed.

; )

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The Law of Liberty and the Law of Love goes deeper into God's Law from the 10C (surface) to the very core (iniquity in the heart is removed).

Here is a portion from #2415:

The act of murder was still the schoolmaster. Jesus graduated us to remove the core root, hate. That is why we are free INDEED. Jesus was manifested to take away our sin by giving us His Spirit who cannot sin 1 John 3. We are dead to sin (Romans 6:2) and are not in the old flesh but in the Spirit - the new man (Romans 8:9).

Also, this is my understanding - Jesus never said to remember the Sabbath Day, He said to believe on Me - the Lord of the Sabbath. There is no law that says you can't do both, or that observing the 7th day while you believe on Jesus is wrong. If your heart does not condemn you, you have a good conscience toward God, and He answers your prayers (the test).

The only problem comes when you say I must keep the 7th day, or I tell you, you must only believe in Jesus. Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.

Marco70 said:

Can you see? Please explain the following, bring them into cohesion:


9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God 1John3:9

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
1John1:8

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1 John 1:8 is before Christ - need to be cleansed of all sin
1 John 3:9 is after Christ - He gave us the Holy Spirit

Dig4truth said:

And that is the irony that so many cannot see. The Law is not a way TO life it is a way OF life.

Once saved by faith and then led by the Holy Spirit, who leads us into truth, we will live by our Master's words, His commands.


Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

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Your verse has nothing to do with the national law given to Israel at Sinai.

Now I do agree that Christians live by the Words of Jesus. Those word aren't the words of the national law given to Israel at Sinai.

Dig4truth said:

We have indeed died to the condemnation that the Law brings. But now we can live by God's commands since they are internalized by the Holy Spirit having been written on our hearts as the New Covenant says.

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What does Paul say about the gentiles in Romans 2:14.