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The word church in the new testament comes from the greek word : ” ECCLESIA ” : which literally translated means : ” THE CALLED OUT ! ” God’s true church consists of those worldwide whom his spirit calls out unto him from the world in general and the worldly churches of men . God’s true church is a SPIRITUAL church , you will never find God’s true church as long as you keep looking to the earthly churches of men , for his church is not there , but solely in the spirit : LUKE 17(21) : ” Neither shall they say , lo here , or lo there , for behold the kingdom of God is within you . ” It is an invisible spiritual church , only visible to those who truly have God’s spirit : JOHN 3(8) : ” The wind bloweth where it listeth , and thou hearest the sound thereof , but canst not tell from whence it cometh or whither it goeth , SO IS EVERYONE THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT . ” THESE ARE HIS TRUE CHILDREN , AND ARE THE LIVING STONES IN HIS ONE AND ONLY TRUE SPIRITUAL CHURCH , CHRIST of course being THE CHIEF CORNER STONE : 1 PETER 2(5&6) : 5 : ” Ye also as lively stones are built up A SPIRITUAL HOUSE ” 6 ” I lay in zion a CHIEF CORNER STONE . ” All members of this true church understand the same universal truths totally independent of each other physically , united in understanding as one SOLELY BY

HIS SPIRIT : 1 CORINTHIANS 2(10) : ” But God hath revealed them unto us BY HIS SPIRIT .” Whereas those of the worldly man made churches , cannot understand these same truths, even as they could not understand what Christ said when he was here , because in truth they do not have God’s true spirit , and are not in the true spiritual fellowship of God’s true spiritual church , but are only in the worldly churches of men , and cannot see the true church ! But the true children of wisdom recognize each other solely by his spirit : LUKE 7(35) : ” But wisdom is justified OF ALL HER CHILDREN . ” These worldly churches of men put their confidence in a group , or a pastor , or large numbers as proof that they are right, whereas God says that large numbers are proof that you are wrong , and that we are to put our confidence only in his word , not men , groups , or large numbers : MATTHEW 7(13&14) : 13 : ” Wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction , and many there be that go in thereat ” 14 : ” Narrow is the way that leadeth unto life AND FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT !” In other words they are carnal and not spiritual : 1 CORINTHIANS 3(4) : ” For while one saith I am of Paul , and another , I am of Apollos , are ye not carnal ?” and MATTHEW 15(9) : “In vain do they worship me , teaching for doctrines THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN .” As long as you are holding onto a group , or pastor for your stability you are in carnal confidence , and have not yet graduated to the spiritual , and are not yet truly following God but men or groups ! The only way to make true contact with God is to put your faith in God alone through his word not all the teachings of men in the various churches, but his word alone : 1 CORINTHIANS 4(6) : ” That you might learn in us NOT TO THINK OF MEN ABOVE THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN ! ” We do not need to listen to the endless teachings of men which usually wind up confusing us , but God has given us his Holy Spirit for the very purpose of interpreting his Holy Word for us , not men : 1 JOHN 2(27) : ” But the anointing which you have received of him abideth in you , and YOU NEED NOT THAT ANY MAN TEACHES YOU , BUT AS THE SAME ANOINTING TEACHES YOU OF ” ALL ” THINGS ! ” Belonging to a church of men is no guarantee that you even have God : ACTS 7(48) : ” The most high DWELLS NOT in temples made with hands .” As a matter of fact God has promised that he will call out by his spirit his true sheep from these false churches of men with their false shepherds : EZEKIEL 34(10) : ” Thus saith the Lord God , behold I am against the shepherds , and I will require my flock at their hand for I will deliver my flock from their mouth , that they may not be meat for them .” God’s true church is united only by the spirit , and not by physical organizations of men , and thus can never be destroyed , whereas the physical worldly churches of men rise and fall : PSALMS 127(1) : ” Except THE LORD BUILD THE HOUSE , they labor in vain that build it .” Only GOD’S TRUE ELECT WHO ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN CAN SEE GOD’S TRUE CHURCH , the rest put their confidence in worldly churches of men and can’t even see where God’s true church really is : JOHN 3(3) : ” Except a man be born again , HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD !” God’s true church has always been hated and persecuted by the world , not well spoken of by the world like these compromising worldly churches of men : MATTHEW 10(22) : ” YE SHALL BE HATED OF ALL MEN . ” and LUKE 6(46) : ” WOE UNTO YOU WHEN ALL MEN SHALL SPEAK WELL OF YOU , FOR SO DID THEIR FATHERS TO THE FALSE PROPHETS .” These worldly churches are full of those who compromise because they are not true lovers of God’s truth , but pretenders , and therefore do not want to pay the price of not compromising and getting put out of their church for remaining pure unto God’s real truth , for they value the praise of men more then God’s real truth , and in so doing forsake God’s true church to remain in the churches of men : JOHN 12(42&43) : 42 : ” Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him , but because of the pharisees they did not confess him , lest they should be put out of the synagogue ” 43 : ” FOR THEY LOVED THE PRAISE OF MEN MORE THAN THE PRAISE OF GOD !” And in an effort to justify themselves they receive honour and justification from one another instead of just looking to please god even if it offended men : JOHN 5(44) : ” How can you believe WHICH RECEIVE HONOR ONE OF ANOTHER AND SEEK NOT THE HONOR THAT COMES FROM GOD ONLY !” and LUKE 16(15) : ” Ye are THEY WHICH JUSTIFY YOURSELVES BEFORE MEN , but God knows your hearts .” IN OTHER WORDS THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING GOD BUT ARE DOING THINGS TO GET THE PRAISE AND APPROVAL OF MEN , NOT GOD , AND ARE OF COURSE THUS NOT EVEN IN GOD’S TRUE SPIRITUAL CHURCH BUT COUNTERFEITS OF MEN ! SO HIS TRUE CHURCH IS HIS ECCLESIA : HIS CALLED OUT : IS HE CALLING YOU OUT OF THE FALSE CHURCHES OF MEN RIGHT NOW ? : IF SO GO TO : FALSEDOCTRINESOFMEN.COM : FOR HIS REAL TRUTH
 

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The word church in the new testament comes from the greek word : ” ECCLESIA ” : which literally translated means : ” THE CALLED OUT ! ” God’s true church consists of those worldwide whom his spirit calls out unto him from the world in general and the worldly churches of men . God’s true church is a SPIRITUAL church , you will never find God’s true church as long as you keep looking to the earthly churches of men , for his church is not there , but solely in the spirit : LUKE 17(21) : ” Neither shall they say , lo here , or lo there , for behold the kingdom of God is within you . ” It is an invisible spiritual church , only visible to those who truly have God’s spirit : JOHN 3(8) : ” The wind bloweth where it listeth , and thou hearest the sound thereof , but canst not tell from whence it cometh or whither it goeth , SO IS EVERYONE THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT . ” THESE ARE HIS TRUE CHILDREN , AND ARE THE LIVING STONES IN HIS ONE AND ONLY TRUE SPIRITUAL CHURCH , CHRIST of course being THE CHIEF CORNER STONE : 1 PETER 2(5&6) : 5 : ” Ye also as lively stones are built up A SPIRITUAL HOUSE ” 6 ” I lay in zion a CHIEF CORNER STONE . ” All members of this true church understand the same universal truths totally independent of each other physically , united in understanding as one SOLELY BY

HIS SPIRIT : 1 CORINTHIANS 2(10) : ” But God hath revealed them unto us BY HIS SPIRIT .” Whereas those of the worldly man made churches , cannot understand these same truths, even as they could not understand what Christ said when he was here , because in truth they do not have God’s true spirit , and are not in the true spiritual fellowship of God’s true spiritual church , but are only in the worldly churches of men , and cannot see the true church ! But the true children of wisdom recognize each other solely by his spirit : LUKE 7(35) : ” But wisdom is justified OF ALL HER CHILDREN . ” These worldly churches of men put their confidence in a group , or a pastor , or large numbers as proof that they are right, whereas God says that large numbers are proof that you are wrong , and that we are to put our confidence only in his word , not men , groups , or large numbers : MATTHEW 7(13&14) : 13 : ” Wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction , and many there be that go in thereat ” 14 : ” Narrow is the way that leadeth unto life AND FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT !” In other words they are carnal and not spiritual : 1 CORINTHIANS 3(4) : ” For while one saith I am of Paul , and another , I am of Apollos , are ye not carnal ?” and MATTHEW 15(9) : “In vain do they worship me , teaching for doctrines THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN .” As long as you are holding onto a group , or pastor for your stability you are in carnal confidence , and have not yet graduated to the spiritual , and are not yet truly following God but men or groups ! The only way to make true contact with God is to put your faith in God alone through his word not all the teachings of men in the various churches, but his word alone : 1 CORINTHIANS 4(6) : ” That you might learn in us NOT TO THINK OF MEN ABOVE THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN ! ” We do not need to listen to the endless teachings of men which usually wind up confusing us , but God has given us his Holy Spirit for the very purpose of interpreting his Holy Word for us , not men : 1 JOHN 2(27) : ” But the anointing which you have received of him abideth in you , and YOU NEED NOT THAT ANY MAN TEACHES YOU , BUT AS THE SAME ANOINTING TEACHES YOU OF ” ALL ” THINGS ! ” Belonging to a church of men is no guarantee that you even have God : ACTS 7(48) : ” The most high DWELLS NOT in temples made with hands .” As a matter of fact God has promised that he will call out by his spirit his true sheep from these false churches of men with their false shepherds : EZEKIEL 34(10) : ” Thus saith the Lord God , behold I am against the shepherds , and I will require my flock at their hand for I will deliver my flock from their mouth , that they may not be meat for them .” God’s true church is united only by the spirit , and not by physical organizations of men , and thus can never be destroyed , whereas the physical worldly churches of men rise and fall : PSALMS 127(1) : ” Except THE LORD BUILD THE HOUSE , they labor in vain that build it .” Only GOD’S TRUE ELECT WHO ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN CAN SEE GOD’S TRUE CHURCH , the rest put their confidence in worldly churches of men and can’t even see where God’s true church really is : JOHN 3(3) : ” Except a man be born again , HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD !” God’s true church has always been hated and persecuted by the world , not well spoken of by the world like these compromising worldly churches of men : MATTHEW 10(22) : ” YE SHALL BE HATED OF ALL MEN . ” and LUKE 6(46) : ” WOE UNTO YOU WHEN ALL MEN SHALL SPEAK WELL OF YOU , FOR SO DID THEIR FATHERS TO THE FALSE PROPHETS .” These worldly churches are full of those who compromise because they are not true lovers of God’s truth , but pretenders , and therefore do not want to pay the price of not compromising and getting put out of their church for remaining pure unto God’s real truth , for they value the praise of men more then God’s real truth , and in so doing forsake God’s true church to remain in the churches of men : JOHN 12(42&43) : 42 : ” Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him , but because of the pharisees they did not confess him , lest they should be put out of the synagogue ” 43 : ” FOR THEY LOVED THE PRAISE OF MEN MORE THAN THE PRAISE OF GOD !” And in an effort to justify themselves they receive honour and justification from one another instead of just looking to please god even if it offended men : JOHN 5(44) : ” How can you believe WHICH RECEIVE HONOR ONE OF ANOTHER AND SEEK NOT THE HONOR THAT COMES FROM GOD ONLY !” and LUKE 16(15) : ” Ye are THEY WHICH JUSTIFY YOURSELVES BEFORE MEN , but God knows your hearts .” IN OTHER WORDS THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING GOD BUT ARE DOING THINGS TO GET THE PRAISE AND APPROVAL OF MEN , NOT GOD , AND ARE OF COURSE THUS NOT EVEN IN GOD’S TRUE SPIRITUAL CHURCH BUT COUNTERFEITS OF MEN ! SO HIS TRUE CHURCH IS HIS ECCLESIA : HIS CALLED OUT : IS HE CALLING YOU OUT OF THE FALSE CHURCHES OF MEN RIGHT NOW ? : IF SO GO TO : FALSEDOCTRINESOFMEN.COM : FOR HIS REAL TRUTH


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Ekklesia comes together to worship in spirit and truth. Not one above another, a body, praying together, communing together, breaking bread together, studying together, encouraging one another, crying with one another, laughing and rejoicing with one another, and caring for one another truly in love and fellowship.

It is not one man in charge, a building, a stage, a sermon, serving a pastor, tithing, climbing the ladder of ministry, coveting leadership, being an authoritarian, or a social club.
 
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It is where ever the:
Ekklesia comes together to worship in spirit and truth. Not one above another, a body, praying together, communing together, breaking bread together, studying together, encouraging one another, crying with one another, laughing and rejoicing with one another, and caring for one another truly in love and fellowship.

It is not one man in charge, a building, a stage, a sermon, serving a pastor, tithing, climbing the ladder of ministry, coveting leadership, being an authoritarian, or a social club.
Amen and amen!
 
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2 Corinthians 3:2 You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.
 
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Not saying that there are not holy, fruitful Christians elsewhere. Just that the Church that Christ founded can not disagree with itself on everything from Christology to human sexual ethics, to soteriology, ecclesiology, gender roles, sacraments, authority, Scripture, and what happens to the soul after death. There is just no way.
 
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Amen and amen!


Isn't it interesting that the more you expose the false church system and those who support it the more they act just like the Pharisees.

They accuse you of:
1. Being a rebel (just like Jesus)
2 They accuse you of defying "tradition" (just like Jesus)
3. They accuse you of having a devil (just like Jesus)
4. They lash out and attempt to murder your character (just like Jesus) (spirit of cain)
5. They slander your name and ostracize you from fellowship

What this boils down to is power, control, greed, and pride. The current system which is modeled exactly after the RCC puts a small group of people above the others and pays them to do it. Why because people are lazy, they want some pastor to be spiritual for them. The entire system we see today is man made and resembles nothing of the biblical model.
 
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Not saying that there are not holy, fruitful Christians elsewhere. Just that the Church that Christ founded can not disagree with itself on everything from Christology to human sexual ethics, to soteriology, ecclesiology, gender roles, sacraments, authority, Scripture, and what happens to the soul after death. There is just no way.
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1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
 
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1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Again, in theory, awesome. In reality, no Protestant denomination can agree on anything that I posted as possible disunity / unity points. I agree that Scripture is perfect, friend, but we are not.

I have heard people say that the Holy Spirit lead them, through an in-depth, personal study of Scripture as well as personal emotional experiences, to leave their opposite sex spouse and run away with a boyfriend / girlfriend of the same sex. I have noticed many, many posters on CF demanding to know where in the Bible pre-marital sex is explicitly condemned. These things matter. People should have answers.
 
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I have heard people say that the Holy Spirit lead them, through an in-depth, personal study of Scripture as well as personal emotional experiences, to leave their opposite sex spouse and run away with a boyfriend / girlfriend of the same sex. I have noticed many, many posters on CF demanding to know where in the Bible pre-marital sex is explicitly condemned. These things matter. People should have answers.
That doesn't mean anything, it doesn't represent the majority of protestants.
 
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Again, in theory, awesome. In reality, no Protestant denomination can agree on anything that I posted as possible disunity / unity points. I agree that Scripture is perfect, friend, but we are not.

I have heard people say that the Holy Spirit lead them, through an in-depth, personal study of Scripture as well as personal emotional experiences, to leave their opposite sex spouse and run away with a boyfriend / girlfriend of the same sex. I have noticed many, many posters on CF demanding to know where in the Bible pre-marital sex is explicitly condemned. These things matter. People should have answers.
Isn't it funny how these Protestants are always "discerning a call" to do something that, by sheer coincidence I'm sure, is exactly what they want? I guess "the Lord is laying it on their heart" to ruin their marriage and run off with somebody.

But the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth, they say...
 
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That doesn't mean anything, it doesn't represent the majority of protestants.
How many would that need to be true of? Give me a number. How many is too many? How many does it take for Gracia's post to be true and accurate?
 
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How many would that need to be true of? Give me a number. How many is too many? How many does it take for Gracia's post to be true and accurate?
Proverbs 17:14 The beginning of strife is like letting out water,
So abandon the quarrel before it breaks out.
 
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Proverbs 17:14 The beginning of strife is like letting out water,
So abandon the quarrel before it breaks out.
Lovely.

As I say though...

How many would that need to be true of? Give me a number. How many is too many? How many does it take for Gracia's post to be true and accurate?
... how many does it take? How many does Gracie's post need to accurately describe before it can be said to be true? Give me a number.
 
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Lovely.

As I say though...

... how many does it take? How many does Gracie's post need to accurately describe before it can be said to be true? Give me a number.
What if i attacked Catholicism now, and we go back and fourth insulting each other? It would be fruitless, right?
 
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What if i attacked Catholicism now, and we go back and fourth insulting each other? It would be fruitless, right?
Not sure what that has to do with anything.

You basically made a "They're not all like that" defense. Given that nobody has said they are all like that, I'm curious to know what you think is an acceptable number of Protestants who are like that. It's a simple question, isn't it? How many is too many? What's the number?
 
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Not sure what that has to do with anything.

You basically made a "They're not all like that" defense. Given that nobody has said they are all like that, I'm curious to know what you think is an acceptable number of Protestants who are like that. It's a simple question, isn't it? How many is too many? What's the number?
I believe you are misrepresenting what i said and intended.
 
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