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Umm not sure what I'm doing here just thought I would check in. Just at a point where I know from science that God exists. From personal experience I also know that Atheists suck hardcore and Christians are the best.

That's about all I know. Well I know a ton about the science of God and why there must be one. But that is not much when the clear implications of such knowledge is disturbing.
 

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Umm not sure what I'm doing here just thought I would check in. Just at a point where I know from science that God exists. From personal experience I also know that Atheists suck hardcore and Christians are the best.

That's about all I know. Well I know a ton about the science of God and why there must be one. But that is not much when the clear implications of such knowledge is disturbing.
Hello and welcome to CF. Thanks for sharing your experience:).
 
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That's about all I know. Well I know a ton about the science of God and why there must be one. But that is not much when the clear implications of such knowledge is disturbing.
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Fyi, God is the living Word or living Christ/Messiah. "Taste" the goodness of God by tasting His Word or His Christ, eg be blessed by God for keeping His Word/Law/commandments.(DEUT.28, ROMANS.2:5-11; cf ACTS.15:24-29)
....... The ultimate blessing from God is eternal life(= saved from hell after death) for believing in Jesus Christ(JOHN.3:16) = "eat" the flesh and "drink" the blood of Jesus Christ(JOHN.6:53, MATTHEW.26:26).
.

Here's my summary of the Bible or Word of God.

0. God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. God has His throne in heaven.(EZE.1, REV.4) Satan and his demons rebelled against God.(ISA.14:12, EZE.28:17, REV.12:4-9)
....... God-in-heaven desired to replace the spiritual rebels with S'piritual humans. Earth is like a test-bed for this purpose.

1. On earth, all humans are born sinful/evil/satanic because of Adam's Original Sin = unclean/dirty/unholy = bound for hell when they die.(ROM.5:12)

2. No humans on earth can see the true face of God and live.(EXO.33:20, JOHN.1:18 & 5:37)

3. To save fallen humans, God-in-heaven endeavoured to come down to earth in lesser forms as the invisible Spirit or as the visible human(= Angel of God or Jesus Christ). (JOHN.8:58/EXO.3:14, JOHN.1:1 & 14, 1TIM.3:16, 2COR.3:17, ISA.9:6)
....... As the Spirit, God-in-heaven gave His Law to Moses and the Jews, in order to curb humans' inborn tendency to commit sins/evil-deeds/satanic-deeds.(DEUT.28)
....... As Jesus Christ, God-in-heaven gave the apostles and Christians the sacrificial Lamb of God on the Cross(JOHN.1:29), in order to save them from hell when they die = the free gift of salvation or the kingdom of heaven through faith.(JOHN.3:16, MATT.4:17, GAL.2:16)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

A good analogy of our One and Only God is our one and only sun.
... God-the-Father-in-heaven sends His invisible Spirit and His visible Son-Jesus to earth to sustain immortal life = the sun-in-outer-space sends her invisible warmth/heat and her visible light to earth to sustain mortal life.
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.
.
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The Bible or Word of God can be broken down into 2 parts, the Old and New Testaments/Covenants, ie,

(i) if you wanna have a good n long life on earth, you need to keep the Law/Word of God.(DEUT.28, MATT.19:21, ACTS.15:24-29, cf; 1COR.5:1-5 & 11:30, 1JOHN.5:16-19),

(ii) if you wanna go to heaven when you die, you need to be saved from hell by Jesus the Christ/Messiah/Savior.(MATT.5:27-30, ROM.5:12, LEV.17:11, HEB.9:22, JOHN.3:16, 1COR.6:9-11, REV.22:12-15)

Christians should aim to achieve both, ie to gain both blessings from God, eg MATT.19:23.
.
.
Bc of our inherited Adam's Original Sin, we have the dual problems of INVOLUNTARY satanic/evil/sinful thoughts, eg immoral lust, hate, anger, greed, selfishness, jealousy, fear/worries, doubts, etc, ...and VOLUNTARY satanic/evil/sinful deeds, eg blasphemy, idolatry, murder, adultery/fornication/rape, stealing, lying/cheating/defrauding, etc.
....... The former resulted in being cursed/sent to hell when we die(GEN.3:14-16) and the latter resulted in being cursed by God with a sad and short life on earth. God's Law solved the latter and God's Son solved the former.
....... Usually, before someone committed murder, he/she had originally harbored hate or greed or lust or jealousy or etc in his/her heart and mind.(source is spiritually from Satan - JOHN.8:44, MATT.16:23 & 23:27, MARK.7:21, 1JOHN.3:8)) IOW, all humans are born satanic/evil/sinful/unclean, from their hearts to their feet.
.
.
At ACTS.15:24-29, God/Jesus requires Gentile Christians to begin their born-again lives of the Spirit by keeping 4 easy or non-burdensome laws of Moses, ie avoid eating blood, strangled animals, foods sacrificed to idols and sexual immorality = minimum legal requirement. They r then given time to learn to gradually keep the other laws of Moses which are not a burden, esp morality laws, eg the Ten Commandments at EXODUS.20, LEVITICUS.10:9, DEUTERONOMY.18:9-14, etc.
....... In comparison, Jewish Christians are required by God/Jesus to continue to keep Moses Law, as many as possible, because it is not a burden to them.
....... Eg, Gentile Christians should still avoid homosexuality and continue to eat non-kosher foods because the former is not a burden but the latter is a burden(ie it's a burden for them to keep the food laws).
... Faith in God's Son, Jesus = faith in God's Word/Law/commandments because JOHN.1:1 says the Son is the Word and is also God.

We need to properly differentiate between involuntary satanic/evil/sinful thoughts and voluntary sins/evil deeds, and between involuntary or inborn Gentile and Jewish Christians.

Analogy about involuntary evil/satanic thoughts and voluntary evil-deeds/sins - black crows often squawks noisily over our heads but we should not let them build their dirty nests on our heads.
 
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Welcome and nose around a little bit. You might/should find in do time there is more to God than science. I suspect You're here because He is looking for you to walk with Him, IE He has called you here. Maybe by being here you will come to understand how that is so.
 
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Umm not sure what I'm doing here just thought I would check in. Just at a point where I know from science that God exists. From personal experience I also know that Atheists suck hardcore and Christians are the best.

That's about all I know. Well I know a ton about the science of God and why there must be one. But that is not much when the clear implications of such knowledge is disturbing.

Hi FormerAtheist, welcome to CF :wave:
 
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Fyi, God is the living Word or living Christ/Messiah. "Taste" the goodness of God by tasting His Word or His Christ, eg be blessed by God for keeping His Word/Law/commandments.(DEUT.28, ROMANS.2:5-11; cf ACTS.15:24-29)
....... The ultimate blessing from God is eternal life(= saved from hell after death) for believing in Jesus Christ(JOHN.3:16) = "eat" the flesh and "drink" the blood of Jesus Christ(JOHN.6:53, MATTHEW.26:26).
.

Here's my summary of the Bible or Word of God.

0. God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. God has His throne in heaven.(EZE.1, REV.4) Satan and his demons rebelled against God.(ISA.14:12, EZE.28:17, REV.12:4-9)
....... God-in-heaven desired to replace the spiritual rebels with S'piritual humans. Earth is like a test-bed for this purpose.

1. On earth, all humans are born sinful/evil/satanic because of Adam's Original Sin = unclean/dirty/unholy = bound for hell when they die.(ROM.5:12)

2. No humans on earth can see the true face of God and live.(EXO.33:20, JOHN.1:18 & 5:37)

3. To save fallen humans, God-in-heaven endeavoured to come down to earth in lesser forms as the invisible Spirit or as the visible human(= Angel of God or Jesus Christ). (JOHN.8:58/EXO.3:14, JOHN.1:1 & 14, 1TIM.3:16, 2COR.3:17, ISA.9:6)
....... As the Spirit, God-in-heaven gave His Law to Moses and the Jews, in order to curb humans' inborn tendency to commit sins/evil-deeds/satanic-deeds.(DEUT.28)
....... As Jesus Christ, God-in-heaven gave the apostles and Christians the sacrificial Lamb of God on the Cross(JOHN.1:29), in order to save them from hell when they die = the free gift of salvation or the kingdom of heaven through faith.(JOHN.3:16, MATT.4:17, GAL.2:16)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

A good analogy of our One and Only God is our one and only sun.
... God-the-Father-in-heaven sends His invisible Spirit and His visible Son-Jesus to earth to sustain immortal life = the sun-in-outer-space sends her invisible warmth/heat and her visible light to earth to sustain mortal life.
.
.
.
.
The Bible or Word of God can be broken down into 2 parts, the Old and New Testaments/Covenants, ie,

(i) if you wanna have a good n long life on earth, you need to keep the Law/Word of God.(DEUT.28, MATT.19:21, ACTS.15:24-29, cf; 1COR.5:1-5 & 11:30, 1JOHN.5:16-19),

(ii) if you wanna go to heaven when you die, you need to be saved from hell by Jesus the Christ/Messiah/Savior.(MATT.5:27-30, ROM.5:12, LEV.17:11, HEB.9:22, JOHN.3:16, 1COR.6:9-11, REV.22:12-15)

Christians should aim to achieve both, ie to gain both blessings from God, eg MATT.19:23.
.
.
Bc of our inherited Adam's Original Sin, we have the dual problems of INVOLUNTARY satanic/evil/sinful thoughts, eg immoral lust, hate, anger, greed, selfishness, jealousy, fear/worries, doubts, etc, ...and VOLUNTARY satanic/evil/sinful deeds, eg blasphemy, idolatry, murder, adultery/fornication/rape, stealing, lying/cheating/defrauding, etc.
....... The former resulted in being cursed/sent to hell when we die(GEN.3:14-16) and the latter resulted in being cursed by God with a sad and short life on earth. God's Law solved the latter and God's Son solved the former.
....... Usually, before someone committed murder, he/she had originally harbored hate or greed or lust or jealousy or etc in his/her heart and mind.(source is spiritually from Satan - JOHN.8:44, MATT.16:23 & 23:27, MARK.7:21, 1JOHN.3:8)) IOW, all humans are born satanic/evil/sinful/unclean, from their hearts to their feet.
.
.
At ACTS.15:24-29, God/Jesus requires Gentile Christians to begin their born-again lives of the Spirit by keeping 4 easy or non-burdensome laws of Moses, ie avoid eating blood, strangled animals, foods sacrificed to idols and sexual immorality = minimum legal requirement. They r then given time to learn to gradually keep the other laws of Moses which are not a burden, esp morality laws, eg the Ten Commandments at EXODUS.20, LEVITICUS.10:9, DEUTERONOMY.18:9-14, etc.
....... In comparison, Jewish Christians are required by God/Jesus to continue to keep Moses Law, as many as possible, because it is not a burden to them.
....... Eg, Gentile Christians should still avoid homosexuality and continue to eat non-kosher foods because the former is not a burden but the latter is a burden(ie it's a burden for them to keep the food laws).
... Faith in God's Son, Jesus = faith in God's Word/Law/commandments because JOHN.1:1 says the Son is the Word and is also God.

We need to properly differentiate between involuntary satanic/evil/sinful thoughts and voluntary sins/evil deeds, and between involuntary or inborn Gentile and Jewish Christians.

Analogy about involuntary evil/satanic thoughts and voluntary evil-deeds/sins - black crows often squawks noisily over our heads but we should not let them build their dirty nests on our heads.

Actually I don't have a problem with anything in the bible. I have seen the fruits of the bible and they are clearly of great benefit to all of humanity. The history of Christians is amazing. But what attracts me or pulls me towards Christianity is not the bible or the history but Christians themselves. They are the true testament to Christianity and they are joy be around and the finest examples of humanity. And their history speaks for itself ... everyone should be grateful for the lifestyle we have because of Christians.

Having said that I am quite busy in my fight against Atheism as I have realized how dangerous my former brothers and sisters are to society. The rise of the militant Atheism is a serious problem. It requires people that care to take it serious and do something. I am doing all I can within my abilities.

I know science, history and the facts and am trying to work with that.
As one fool said "To each from their ability" ... he was a fool but that was good words.

Better words are these "You will know them by their fruit".
 
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Umm not sure what I'm doing here just thought I would check in. Just at a point where I know from science that God exists. From personal experience I also know that Atheists suck hardcore and Christians are the best.

That's about all I know. Well I know a ton about the science of God and why there must be one. But that is not much when the clear implications of such knowledge is disturbing.
Welcome to Christian Forums, FormerAtheist. I think it would be beneficial for you to open the Bible to page 1 and keep reading till you've finished.
 
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Having said that I am quite busy in my fight against Atheism as I have realized how dangerous my former brothers and sisters are to society.
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I think it's quite pointless to fight against Atheism, or to fight against Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc. I think FormerAtheist Christians should just tell atheists and other unbelievers the Good News, about the errors of atheism and then let them be. Leave the outcome to them and to God.

There are also good-doing atheists, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Samaritans, etc. The only difference is what they believe will happen after death.
....... No one can win this debate about the afterlife because salvation unto eternal life is based on faith, ie "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ... By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. .... But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."(HEBREWS.11:1 & 3 & 6)

The atheists believe that they will die and return to dust/atoms.

The Buddhists believe that they will die and be reborn/reincarnated until they reach nirvana or enlightenment.

The Jews and Muslims believe that they will die and go to heaven(= be saved from hell) by believing in G_d/Allah and keeping Moses Law/Muhammad Law or Sharia Law.

The Christians believe that they will die and go to heaven by .......
 
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Pretty sure the Holy Spirit brought you here ;)

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Umm not sure what I'm doing here just thought I would check in. Just at a point where I know from science that God exists. From personal experience I also know that Atheists suck hardcore and Christians are the best.

That's about all I know. Well I know a ton about the science of God and why there must be one. But that is not much when the clear implications of such knowledge is disturbing.

Welcome friend :) Maybe check out some of the topics and see if anything sounds interesting and add your thoughts. Test your beiefs and maybe check out other people’s beliefs to get deferent perspectives of the scriptures. Just throwing out some ideas. Have a blessed day :)
 
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I think it's quite pointless to fight against Atheism, or to fight against Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc. I think FormerAtheist Christians should just tell atheists and other unbelievers the Good News, about the errors of atheism and then let them be. Leave the outcome to them and to God.

There are also good-doing atheists, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Samaritans, etc. The only difference is what they believe will happen after death.
....... No one can win this debate about the afterlife because salvation unto eternal life is based on faith, ie "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ... By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. .... But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."(HEBREWS.11:1 & 3 & 6)

The atheists believe that they will die and return to dust/atoms.

The Buddhists believe that they will die and be reborn/reincarnated until they reach nirvana or enlightenment.

The Jews and Muslims believe that they will die and go to heaven(= be saved from hell) by believing in G_d/Allah and keeping Moses Law/Muhammad Law or Sharia Law.

The Christians believe that they will die and go to heaven by .......
Ok I here you but you are wrong.

The science is not what you think ... its not even close to what you think.
The science is leading to a designer .. put simply all scientists right now are having serious problems and this is a big thing. How do we deal with the info that it was never and accident but rather by design? Its a problem that hundreds of scientists are having. So what do the rest of us do with this new info? If your like me and you are resistant to religion but you will follow the science .. well .. there is a problem.

Now what?
 
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Ok I here you but you are wrong.

The science is not what you think ... its not even close to what you think.
The science is leading to a designer .. put simply all scientists right now are having serious problems and this is a big thing. How do we deal with the info that it was never and accident but rather by design? Its a problem that hundreds of scientists are having. So what do the rest of us do with this new info? If your like me and you are resistant to religion but you will follow the science .. well .. there is a problem.

Now what?
Is it really ‘new info’?

How is the topic of intelligent design new?

IMHO, science has never had the real answer and has been trying to make it logical so they can deny their is a God. I think they are making a conscious decision and then trying to prove it

There is a Bible verse about this, I think in Romans.
 
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Umm not sure what I'm doing here just thought I would check in. Just at a point where I know from science that God exists. From personal experience I also know that Atheists suck hardcore and Christians are the best.

That's about all I know. Well I know a ton about the science of God and why there must be one. But that is not much when the clear implications of such knowledge is disturbing.

It's good to hear that you're a FormerAtheist, and welcome to CF! I'm glad you came to a point where you experienced some "Silent Lucidity" in your understanding about Jesus Christ. :cool:

Peace,
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Just at a point where I know from science that God exists.
Materialistic science neglects to consider such things which are easily observable and which are clearly outside the physical universe, such things as: (1) the subjective experience of consciousness, and (2) the fine-tuning of the universe before the big bang resulting in the possibility of chemical biological life. This is understandable because, well..., because they are materialists.

Christianity has a better answer, as does young earth creationism.
 
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