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Armageddon or Harmagedon


Revelations 16:16. "and in the Hebrew language it is called Armageddon."

There is no word "Armageddon" in the Hebrew language; the word Armageddon is a contraction or mistranslation for the words,"Mount of the Congregation Zion".

Ar / ma / ged / don. Also: Har / ma / ged / on.
Har / edah / siyyon.
Har: Mount or Mountain.
Edah or Mowed: Assembly, Community or Congregation.
Siyyon: Zion.


Revelations 16:13-16. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and that beast, and out of the mouth of a false prophet.
14. For they have evil spirits, working miracles for the rulers of the earth and the whole world, to gather them togather to do battle against God Almighty on that great day.
15. Watch, I come like a thief. Blessed is he that keeps watch, and keeps his cloths, or else he will walk naked, and people will see his shame.
16. And they gathered them together to that place, and in the Hebrew language it is called; Mount of the Congregation Zion.

Isaiah 29:8. So will it be with the hordes of all the nations that fight against Mount Zion.

Proverbs 9:1. Wisdom has built her house; she has hewn out its seven pillars.

Revelations 3:12. Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God.

Zechariah 3:9. There are seven eyes on that one stone,

Zechariah 4:10. These seven are the eyes of the lord,

Revelations 5:6. He had seven horns and seven eyes,

Daniel 12:3. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars

Revelations 1:20. The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lamps is this: The seven stars are the angels (messengers of God) of the seven churches (congregations),

Zechriah 3:8. Listen O high priest of Joshua and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come; I am going to bring my servent, the Branch. (Yahshua)

It is a presumption by some scholars, and not a fact, that Megiddo is a battlefield described in the Bible, in relationship to Revelation 16:16, as a place of a predicted final struggle between good and evil. Some believe that the name may be taken from that of the battlefield of Megiddo valley. See Judges 5:19.
The word "Megiddo" appears in scripture twelve times, and never with the word "Har" for (Mount) in front of it. The word "Megiddon" is a King James translation in the Old Testament only; and in Revelation 16:16, the King James uses the word spelling "Armageddon". The Valley of Megiddo and Armageddon have no biblical relationship.

King James Version: Zechariah 12:9-11. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications; and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they will mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as (Like) the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

Zion is not only the faithful in Israel and the world, but it is also a city in the last days according to scripture.
There is a great deal of scripture to support what I claim, with the word "Zion". However, there is no scripture to support that the valley of Megiddo is a gathering place for Zion.
The false prophet will tell the leaders of the world that Zion must be destroyed, so that their descendants will inherit the earth.

Have you read: The Dead Sea Scrolls in English. By G. Vermes ISBN:0-14-022779-2, or: The Book of Enoch. Translated by R.H. Charles. ISBN 0-281-01261-x
 

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Hebrew origin (02022) and (04023).. 12022 is hill or mount 04022 is Meggido
Hebrew Equivalent Words:
Strong #: 2022 ‑ הַר (har); Megiddo or Megiddon = “place of crowds”

The word Armageddon comes from the Greek rendering of the Hebrew name Har Megiddo (the Hebrew prefix Har means “hill” or “mountain”).

megiddomap.jpg
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Revelation 16:14 calls this the “battle of that great day of God Almighty.”

Megiddo is merely the gathering place for the forces.

Zechariah 14:1 tells us more details of where this will be. “Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, and your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem… Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle”

This is the valley of decision... last chance ... last choice...
 
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Hebrew origin (02022) and (04023).. 12022 is hill or mount 04022 is Meggido
Hebrew Equivalent Words:
Strong #: 2022 ‑ הַר (har); Megiddo or Megiddon = “place of crowds”

The word Armageddon comes from the Greek rendering of the Hebrew name Har Megiddo (the Hebrew prefix Har means “hill” or “mountain”).

megiddomap.jpg
41702a958cbcb7abe9ef8d83fc1af9e7.jpg

Revelation 16:14 calls this the “battle of that great day of God Almighty.”

Megiddo is merely the gathering place for the forces.

Zechariah 14:1 tells us more details of where this will be. “Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, and your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem… Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle”

This is the valley of decision... last chance ... last choice...
Yes but Megiddo is a valley, it is not a mountain. It is not a place where the faithful will gather. Revelation 16:16 is a misspelling. Here is what it is really referring to: Isaiah 29:8. So will it be with the hordes of all the nations that fight against Mount Zion.
Mount of the Congregation Zion is an unknown location, possibly South of Jerusalem.
 
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Armageddon or Harmagedon


Revelations 16:16. "and in the Hebrew language it is called Armageddon."

There is no word "Armageddon" in the Hebrew language; the word Armageddon is a contraction or mistranslation for the words,"Mount of the Congregation Zion".

Ar / ma / ged / don. Also: Har / ma / ged / on.
Har / edah / siyyon.
Har: Mount or Mountain.
Edah or Mowed: Assembly, Community or Congregation.
Siyyon: Zion.


Revelations 16:13-16. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and that beast, and out of the mouth of a false prophet.
14. For they have evil spirits, working miracles for the rulers of the earth and the whole world, to gather them togather to do battle against God Almighty on that great day.
15. Watch, I come like a thief. Blessed is he that keeps watch, and keeps his cloths, or else he will walk naked, and people will see his shame.
16. And they gathered them together to that place, and in the Hebrew language it is called; Mount of the Congregation Zion.

Isaiah 29:8. So will it be with the hordes of all the nations that fight against Mount Zion.

Proverbs 9:1. Wisdom has built her house; she has hewn out its seven pillars.

Revelations 3:12. Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God.

Zechariah 3:9. There are seven eyes on that one stone,

Zechariah 4:10. These seven are the eyes of the lord,

Revelations 5:6. He had seven horns and seven eyes,

Daniel 12:3. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars

Revelations 1:20. The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lamps is this: The seven stars are the angels (messengers of God) of the seven churches (congregations),

Zechriah 3:8. Listen O high priest of Joshua and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come; I am going to bring my servent, the Branch. (Yahshua)

It is a presumption by some scholars, and not a fact, that Megiddo is a battlefield described in the Bible, in relationship to Revelation 16:16, as a place of a predicted final struggle between good and evil. Some believe that the name may be taken from that of the battlefield of Megiddo valley. See Judges 5:19.
The word "Megiddo" appears in scripture twelve times, and never with the word "Har" for (Mount) in front of it. The word "Megiddon" is a King James translation in the Old Testament only; and in Revelation 16:16, the King James uses the word spelling "Armageddon". The Valley of Megiddo and Armageddon have no biblical relationship.

King James Version: Zechariah 12:9-11. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications; and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they will mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as (Like) the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

Zion is not only the faithful in Israel and the world, but it is also a city in the last days according to scripture.
There is a great deal of snot cripture to support what I claim, with the word "Zion". However, there is no scripture to support that the valley of Megiddo is a gathering place for Zion.
The false prophet will tell the leaders of the world that Zion must be destroyed, so that their descendants will inherit the earth.

Have you read: The Dead Sea Scrolls in English. By G. Vermes ISBN:0-14-022779-2, or: The Book of Enoch. Translated by R.H. Charles. ISBN 0-281-01261-x

Got the book, and have not read it - but interesting material.

(btw it is Revelation, singular :) )
 
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Hebrew origin (02022) and (04023).. 12022 is hill or mount 04022 is Meggido
Hebrew Equivalent Words:
Strong #: 2022 ‑ הַר (har); Megiddo or Megiddon = “place of crowds”

The word Armageddon comes from the Greek rendering of the Hebrew name Har Megiddo (the Hebrew prefix Har means “hill” or “mountain”).

megiddomap.jpg
41702a958cbcb7abe9ef8d83fc1af9e7.jpg

Revelation 16:14 calls this the “battle of that great day of God Almighty.”

Megiddo is merely the gathering place for the forces.

Zechariah 14:1 tells us more details of where this will be. “Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, and your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem… Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle”

This is the valley of decision... last chance ... last choice...

Megiddo, in Israel, is an an enormous flat plain.
 
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My best guess is that the Mount of the Congregation Zion is in Australia. Some where in the Dead Sea Scrolls the term "land of the Rock" is used.

Land of the South


Exodus 26:35
Place the table outside the curtain on the north side of the tabernacle and put the lampstand opposite it on the south side.


Zechariah 6:6
The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, the one with the white horses toward the west, and the one with the dappled horses toward the south.”

Ezekiel 10:3
Now the cherubim were standing on the south side of the temple when the man went in, and a cloud filled the inner court.


Zechariah 9

14 Then the Lord will appear over them;
his arrow will flash like lightning.
The Sovereign Lord will sound the trumpet;
he will march in the storms of the south,

15 and the Lord Almighty will shield them.
They will destroy
and overcome with slingstones.
They will drink and roar as with wine;
they will be full like a bowl
used for sprinkling the corners of the altar.
16 The Lord their God will save them on that day
as the flock of his people.
They will sparkle in his land
like jewels in a crown.
17 How attractive and beautiful they will be!
Grain will make the young men thrive,
and new wine the young women.
 
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My best guess is that the Mount of the Congregation Zion is in Australia. Some where in the Dead Sea Scrolls the term "land of the Rock" is used.

Land of the South


Exodus 26:35
Place the table outside the curtain on the north side of the tabernacle and put the lampstand opposite it on the south side.


Zechariah 6:6
The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, the one with the white horses toward the west, and the one with the dappled horses toward the south.”

Ezekiel 10:3
Now the cherubim were standing on the south side of the temple when the man went in, and a cloud filled the inner court.


Zechariah 9

14 Then the Lord will appear over them;
his arrow will flash like lightning.
The Sovereign Lord will sound the trumpet;
he will march in the storms of the south,

15 and the Lord Almighty will shield them.
They will destroy
and overcome with slingstones.
They will drink and roar as with wine;
they will be full like a bowl
used for sprinkling the corners of the altar.
16 The Lord their God will save them on that day
as the flock of his people.
They will sparkle in his land
like jewels in a crown.
17 How attractive and beautiful they will be!
Grain will make the young men thrive,
and new wine the young women.

I've looked in index of the book (Geza Vermes) but cannot find any of the key words you mention at the start of this post. Can you remember the context in which you recall it?
 
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I've looked in index of the book (Geza Vermes) but cannot find any of the key words you mention at the start of this post. Can you remember the context in which you recall it?
Not sure, but I think cave 4 mystery scrolls.
 
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Enoch 77
1 And the first quarter is called the east, because it is the first: and the second, the south, because the Most High will descend there, yea, there in quite a special sense will He who is blessed for ever 2 descend.



Enoch 90
25 of pillars of fire. And those seventy shepherds were judged and found guilty, and they were cast 26 into that fiery abyss. And I saw at that time how a like abyss was opened in the midst of the earth, full of fire, and they brought those blinded sheep, and they were all judged and found guilty and 27 cast into this fiery abyss, and they burned; now this abyss was to the right of that house. And I saw those sheep burning and their bones burning. 28 And I stood up to see till they folded up that old house; and carried off all the pillars, and all the beams and ornaments of the house were at the same time folded up with it, and they carried 29 it off and laid it in a place in the south of the land. And I saw till the Lord of the sheep brought a new house greater and loftier than that first, and set it up in the place of the first which had beer folded up: all its pillars were new, and its ornaments were new and larger than those of the first, the old one which He had taken away, and all the sheep were within it. 30 And I saw all the sheep which had been left, and all the beasts on the earth, and all the birds of the heaven, falling down and doing homage to those sheep and making petition to and obeying 31 them in every thing. And thereafter those three who were clothed in white and had seized me by my hand [who had taken me up before], and the hand of that ram also seizing hold of me, they...
 
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Unlikely it will change things. If that project ever gets off the ground - and that is a huge "if" given everything going on in Saudi Arabia - then it will take a very long time for the city to cover that area, and they are not going to just bulldoze the mountain anyways. The city - which does not exist right now - is reserved for over 10,200 sq miles....an area just under the size of Massachusetts (bigger than New Jersey, Vermont, and many other small states). Of course it might not matter anyways if that is not the location of the mountain.
 
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Unlikely it will change things. If that project ever gets off the ground - and that is a huge "if" given everything going on in Saudi Arabia - then it will take a very long time for the city to cover that area, and they are not going to just bulldoze the mountain anyways. The city - which does not exist right now - is reserved for over 10,200 sq miles....an area just under the size of Massachusetts (bigger than New Jersey, Vermont, and many other small states). Of course it might not matter anyways if that is not the location of the mountain.
How many years did it take to build Dubai?
It took just six years to build. The $12 billion project began in 2001 and six years later, the island's first residents moved in.
 
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Armageddon or Harmagedon
Revelations 16:16. "and in the Hebrew language it is called Armageddon."
There is no word "Armageddon" in the Hebrew language;
Greek had a difficult time with leading H sounds, so when Hebrew words were transliterated, those leading H s were frequently lost.

Like Hallelujah vs Alleluia.
 
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How many years did it take to build Dubai?
It took just six years to build. The $12 billion project began in 2001 and six years later, the island's first residents moved in.

I am not sure you are seeing the scale of this project. The entire Emirate of Dubai is only 10% the size of this project. The project in Dubai you are talking about (Palm Jumeirah) is only 2.2 sq miles compared to this 10,200 sq miles. They are not really comparable.
 
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I am not sure you are seeing the scale of this project. The entire Emirate of Dubai is only 10% the size of this project. The project in Dubai you are talking about (Palm Jumeirah) is only 2.2 sq miles compared to this 10,200 sq miles. They are not really comparable.
Dubai is a city in 7 years. If this project starts at the mountain top, it could cover it in 7 years.
 
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