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Will God Survive Science ??
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fat wee robin
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Not only is God not threatend by Science ,He loves it , and said "it is good ".
God planned a programme for the progressing of humanity , and now the time has come when He knows many are definitely His , He has unfolded the truth, to those who love Him . The blind ones who are deprived of the inspiration from the Holy Spirit , and who do not want to be God's creature , cannot see the bigger picture and have no realisation of how ignorant they are . Neither do they search ,or they would realise that not only is science proving God's existence , but that ALL Greats, have at least believed in an ordered design, making them Deists , while most have believed in a Creator God while not neccessarily being into religious rituals .
There are quire a few routine 'scientists ' who do not either ,but their work is not breakthrough and does not change the wolrd .
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The wisdom from the TRI-UNE GOD and Man's "science" have gone hand-in-hand throughout history. For every scientifically unexplainable event at the far and finite end of Man's investigations stands God, a creative SPIRIT whose mind and will created ALL. REF: Genesis chapters 1+2.
1 Corinthians 2: 6-16 (NIV1984)...Wisdom From the Spirit
...God’s secret wisdom,
a wisdom that has been hidden and
that God destined for our glory before time began....
but God has revealed it (wisdom) to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him?
In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
We have not received the spirit of the world
but the Spirit who is from God,
that we may understand what God has freely given us.This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom
but in words taught by the Spirit,
expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God,
for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2: 6-16 (NIV1984)...Wisdom From the Spirit
...God’s secret wisdom,
a wisdom that has been hidden and
that God destined for our glory before time began....
but God has revealed it (wisdom) to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him?
In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
We have not received the spirit of the world
but the Spirit who is from God,
that we may understand what God has freely given us.This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom
but in words taught by the Spirit,
expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God,
for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Will I be completely disturbed, institutionalized with a straight jacket on in a padded cell, repeating come Lord Jesus over and over? No, I am and will continue to enjoy my retirement. Just moved to Texas last year, bought a house with my wife and got a great dog as well. I can go on like this for decade or so then the Lord can take me.
So, just so you know, I'm in a comfort zone that I believe will be interrupted by the Great Tribulation. It is completely OK with me, because God's purpose to Judge the world, remove sin and set up a Millennial Kingdom in Paradise reborn is better than my TEMPORAL COMFORT. I will either die, be raptured during this coming 3 1/2 year period of judgment, but will receive an eternal body. So either way, I win. Never thought of it that way but all Christians are winners since there will be a battle between good and evil. So you are either with Christ when this happens or not. If not, you lose.
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The problem for me is that most christians are limited in their inspiration from God and are blocked . In this they have a lot in common with atheists as until they are literally born again, they will not see .They are blocked only seeing one very narrow angle ,like only having one part of a giant jigsaw ;
I despair sometimes of the limited awareness of most christians who then block the truth from those who have it . How then can they convince more open minded seekers ?
Faith comes from a particular type of love ,and a sense of the order and beauty of what they see around them . Faith comes from a healthy openess , as atheism comes from a sinfully blinded perverted nature .It can be measured .
You seem to never have made any effort to get to know closely this God of the bible , and you seem to suffer from some kind of emotional detachment and depression .
It is not possible to have a conversation with you as it is not simply a matter of giving proof , which there is have plenty of ,but of your false philosophical position "If you cannot even prove you exist".
This nonsense was propagated by people like Jean Paul Sartre ,and has gone the way of all dead philosophy ,dead ,buried ,depressing nihilism .
I pity you, unless you are expressing yourself badly,
as there is no life ,no future ,no hope or beauty in this atheistic nihilism .
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General theology on a Christian site and this question is posted on it and it was not denied or taken down! No Christian would ask such a foolish question.
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People has been claiming that God is dead, or more recently in the 1900s science in physics has reached its peak and there is nothing to learn....
Guess what, after 100 years after the claims, faith is still there, and quantum physics are still incomplete (or you can say in disarray).
In fact now we know that we will never be able to know everything, as to observe something you will change it (just ask any physics professor). Most people who claim we evolved from some primates as "fact" is grossly over stepping on scientific methods. Just ask them to make a test that is repeatable or verifiable.
In fact modern science showed how great God is, to this day we still can't create an RNA (not even DNA) that can replicate itself, under the best labs (and most arrogantly claim this can happen randomly).
Some summarized the situation that life can happen randomly in nature as
"A junkyard contains all the bits and pieces of a Boeing-747, dismembered and in disarray. A whirlwind happens to blow through the yard. What is the chance that after its passage a fully assembled 747, ready to fly, will be found standing there?"
Amazing, isn't it?
Guess what, after 100 years after the claims, faith is still there, and quantum physics are still incomplete (or you can say in disarray).
In fact now we know that we will never be able to know everything, as to observe something you will change it (just ask any physics professor). Most people who claim we evolved from some primates as "fact" is grossly over stepping on scientific methods. Just ask them to make a test that is repeatable or verifiable.
In fact modern science showed how great God is, to this day we still can't create an RNA (not even DNA) that can replicate itself, under the best labs (and most arrogantly claim this can happen randomly).
Some summarized the situation that life can happen randomly in nature as
"A junkyard contains all the bits and pieces of a Boeing-747, dismembered and in disarray. A whirlwind happens to blow through the yard. What is the chance that after its passage a fully assembled 747, ready to fly, will be found standing there?"
Amazing, isn't it?
I invite you to discuss the main theses of an interview with an outstanding American journalist and writer Dan Brown. No emotions, only the arguments "for" or "against", please.
DAN BROWN:
"Look at the story: no god has survived the development of science. In ancient times we had a whole pantheon of gods needed to explain everything we did not understand, from tides to sunrise. Over time, science intervened, and it became clear that the tides had nothing to do with Poseidon, and lightning had nothing to do with Thor. And these gods began to disappear. My novel raises the question of whether we truly believe that today's gods will survive and retain their power over people in a hundred years, five hundred years, a thousand years".
"I believe that in a couple of decades we will be closely connected with each other at that mental and spiritual level, which is not yet possible for us, and our personal experience will expand not through spiritual practices, but through these deep internal connections with each other.
This is my personal conviction, due to conversations with serious scientists and the study of theological works. Over the next decades, our biological species will receive a kind of global consciousness, which will become our divine. I think that our need for the external God who sits in the heavens and judges us, to whom we ask questions, which we ask for help, - the need for this God will decrease and eventually disappear".
"... terrorism has nothing to do with religion. I am convinced of this. The feelings of believers are always covered by incitement to political violence. I think that the sources of terrorism must be sought in political injustice, inequality.
Religious beliefs in this case are simply used as an excuse, because genuine faith only inspires people. Today we associate international terrorism exclusively with Muslims and Islam, but if we look at the situation more closely, it can be seen that many different religions and philosophical ideas are put there. In my own country, strange things are happening all the time, forcing to recall the trials of witches and the holy Inquisition. Religion has always been used to incite violence, which, it seems to me, is always politically motivated."
"... Of the nine billion people on the planet, there are about a billion atheists who, by the way, feel great. And that's what I think: religion serves its purpose, and it does a lot of good. But the world has changed, so that faith has ceased to be a necessary condition for a harmonious existence.
Of course, God gives people moral guidelines, and this is an effective support system. It is very difficult for people to accept the idea of randomness of chaos, it is hard for them to experience undeserved setbacks, tragedies. When something bad happens, it is easier to accept this with the words "this is His will," "this is God's plan." It gives us strength, even if it's not true.
But it seems to me personally that in the life of accidents it is always a little more than it seems. And if a tree fell on your car - this is not God's business, it's just an accident. I do not know if I answered the question.
Let me dwell on the fact that atheists and believers should get along. And for this two things must happen. Atheists must recognize that in the world there is a huge amount of good that is committed by people from religious beliefs. And believers have to admit that they have no exclusive right to morality and that people who do not believe in God can also be good people who can be kind people, able to compassion and help others...
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Because of death, everything in this existence of matter is already dead, including Dan Brown and his science; it is already signed and sealed by God! So God has already survived dead science! God is the only life there is! He is the one and only true reality; because the body and all matter are already dead in its delusion! Why educate yourselves in delusion and death and reject the education of reality and life; and end up with a PhD and MSc in spirit blindness and death? All the education of this world is stupidity to God, because it is all delusional and already dead! Why be an over-educated blob of already dead matter; when you are a spirit of infinite God energy? Why would anyone want to live in a delusional world of the already dead; searching for physical evidence of the Most High Spirit God; when you can experience him by living and walking in the spirit? How is it possible to find physical evidence of something that is not physical? How is it possible for delusion to find physical evidence of reality? How is possible for death to find evidence of life?
Just as your body cannot survive it’s already dead existence without food; it is the same, your spirit cannot survive without God’s spirit food! It would take you outside into the spirit realm of the living looking in; while already dead science is on the inside in delusion and death looking out! They are fumbling around in the darkness of their spirit blindness; with delusional guesses and dead theories only the foolish, spirit blind will believe! The spiritually blind are leading the spiritually blind, and you have both fallen in a deep, dark abyss of spirit blindness and death! Live and walk in the spirit with God, the one true reality of life; and you will escape delusion and death of already dead science and matter! Nothing here is real, except spirit life with God! Now you know what you must do to truly live??? Dan Brown and his senseless science are already dead, but God and his word will never pass away, and he always keeps his word! Take care and God bless!
Just as your body cannot survive it’s already dead existence without food; it is the same, your spirit cannot survive without God’s spirit food! It would take you outside into the spirit realm of the living looking in; while already dead science is on the inside in delusion and death looking out! They are fumbling around in the darkness of their spirit blindness; with delusional guesses and dead theories only the foolish, spirit blind will believe! The spiritually blind are leading the spiritually blind, and you have both fallen in a deep, dark abyss of spirit blindness and death! Live and walk in the spirit with God, the one true reality of life; and you will escape delusion and death of already dead science and matter! Nothing here is real, except spirit life with God! Now you know what you must do to truly live??? Dan Brown and his senseless science are already dead, but God and his word will never pass away, and he always keeps his word! Take care and God bless!
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Only thing amazing in that is argument from ignorance.
Disassembled Boeing 747 is not a living organism nor is evolution random whirlwind.
If people read a little more they might either get some clue what they are talking about or at least make credible counter arguments.
I have yet to see a creationist that has done either.
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="fat wee robin, post: 72253123, member: 372972"
"Faith comes from a particular type of love ,and a sense of the order and beauty of what they see around them . Faith comes from a healthy openess , as atheism comes from a sinfully blinded perverted nature .It can be measured ."
AF: Dear opponent, WHERE in social life and in what country exactly you see "beauty of what they see around them" - in America? Or in Iraq? Or in Syria? What I see in this statement is a kind of social autentism, staying away from "bad news" and etc. People create a contrived world that does not really exist, and hide in it from reality. I knew such people, moreover, wealthy people, who do not watch television and do not read newspapers. This is analogous to how Americans wanted to buy houses in the fairy-tale kingdom from the "Lord of the Rings"...
"You seem to never have made any effort to get to know closely this God of the bible , and you seem to suffer from some kind of emotional detachment and depression .
It is not possible to have a conversation with you as it is not simply a matter of giving proof , which there is have plenty of ,but of your false philosophical position "If you cannot even prove you exist".
AF: If it is "God of the Bible" and NOT a real entity - there is not even a subject for discussion hereб because YOUR God exists only in a Bible.
As for the mental state of 1 billion non-believers there is no indication they have any problems DIFFERENT from the problems of "believers".Moreover, psychiatrists point out that "believers" are more prone to psychiatric illnesses than "unbelievers". And we are hear not to discuss smb's psichological and psychiatric issues.
IF there are "plenty" of proofs of God's existence - please, give a definition of God and describe his location шт relation to us and the Universe.
IF you are so smart and can prove your own existence - you are welcome! Do it here!
"Faith comes from a particular type of love ,and a sense of the order and beauty of what they see around them . Faith comes from a healthy openess , as atheism comes from a sinfully blinded perverted nature .It can be measured ."
AF: Dear opponent, WHERE in social life and in what country exactly you see "beauty of what they see around them" - in America? Or in Iraq? Or in Syria? What I see in this statement is a kind of social autentism, staying away from "bad news" and etc. People create a contrived world that does not really exist, and hide in it from reality. I knew such people, moreover, wealthy people, who do not watch television and do not read newspapers. This is analogous to how Americans wanted to buy houses in the fairy-tale kingdom from the "Lord of the Rings"...
"You seem to never have made any effort to get to know closely this God of the bible , and you seem to suffer from some kind of emotional detachment and depression .
It is not possible to have a conversation with you as it is not simply a matter of giving proof , which there is have plenty of ,but of your false philosophical position "If you cannot even prove you exist".
AF: If it is "God of the Bible" and NOT a real entity - there is not even a subject for discussion hereб because YOUR God exists only in a Bible.
As for the mental state of 1 billion non-believers there is no indication they have any problems DIFFERENT from the problems of "believers".Moreover, psychiatrists point out that "believers" are more prone to psychiatric illnesses than "unbelievers". And we are hear not to discuss smb's psichological and psychiatric issues.
IF there are "plenty" of proofs of God's existence - please, give a definition of God and describe his location шт relation to us and the Universe.
IF you are so smart and can prove your own existence - you are welcome! Do it here!
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="Macril, post: 72255243, member: 406018"]Only thing amazing in that is argument from ignorance.
Disassembled Boeing 747 is not a living organism nor is evolution random whirlwind.
If people read a little more they might either get some clue what they are talking about or at least make credible counter arguments.
I have yet to see a creationist that has done either.
AF: Well, for the Almighty, there should not be a big problem to assemble the aircraft and thereby prove His existence, should it? Or the evidence base of the Almighty is only the parted sea, the seven loaves and the manna of heaven?
Disassembled Boeing 747 is not a living organism nor is evolution random whirlwind.
If people read a little more they might either get some clue what they are talking about or at least make credible counter arguments.
I have yet to see a creationist that has done either.
AF: Well, for the Almighty, there should not be a big problem to assemble the aircraft and thereby prove His existence, should it? Or the evidence base of the Almighty is only the parted sea, the seven loaves and the manna of heaven?
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="Galaxy Hunter, post: 72253996, member: 405811"]Thank you SpiritSight. That was inspiriational! God is working in you my friend!
AF:And what about ME?!
AF:And what about ME?!
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="AnticipateHisComing, post: 72254410, member: 344364"
I pointed out the same thing, mods did not take note of it in their clean up.
AF:You suggest to enter the CENSOR? And only because NO ONE has yet given a clear definition of God and did not give a clear proof of the fact of his existence ?? Wailing and references to the Bible are BAD proofs, because everything is built on FAITH that REAL events were described there. And if we assume that they were NOT REAL ???! As in "Lord of the Rings", fabulous kingdom, where, after watching the movie, a lot of our very religious and very patriotic citizens of America wanted to move to... HOW to be then ???
I pointed out the same thing, mods did not take note of it in their clean up.
AF:You suggest to enter the CENSOR? And only because NO ONE has yet given a clear definition of God and did not give a clear proof of the fact of his existence ?? Wailing and references to the Bible are BAD proofs, because everything is built on FAITH that REAL events were described there. And if we assume that they were NOT REAL ???! As in "Lord of the Rings", fabulous kingdom, where, after watching the movie, a lot of our very religious and very patriotic citizens of America wanted to move to... HOW to be then ???
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General theology on a Christian site and this question is posted on it and it was not denied or taken down! No Christian would ask such a foolish question.
AF: Are you trying to say that Christian teology does not presuppose the PROOF of the existence of God and the Kingdom of God ??
Explain more clearly what you meant, please
General theology on a Christian site and this question is posted on it and it was not denied or taken down! No Christian would ask such a foolish question.
AF: Are you trying to say that Christian teology does not presuppose the PROOF of the existence of God and the Kingdom of God ??
Explain more clearly what you meant, please
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