what is more valuable, love or much knowledge?

want-love · Jan 21, 2018

longwait said:
But you need to know your scripture. I have noticed after I started studying more and more scripture that some of the teachings posted on youtube are highly deceptive. How else can you protect yourself from being deceived? Let no man steal your crown. You need to stop being lazy and study the Word of God. Besides this a site not to please everyone but to speak the truth and the truth sometimes hurts.

i am not lazy, i meditate in his word day and night

Neogaia777 · Jan 21, 2018

gustavchristianartist said:
that's a great idea, to write a book with the only word love

Sorry, someone beat you to it already...

God Bless!

Buzz_B · Jan 22, 2018

gustavchristianartist said:
with love we have an eternity to know many many many things!

i've seen how many siblings here know much about the scriptures but they "fight" with, not showing kindness enough love enough

(1) What other people say is very often extremely open to interpretation so that what one sees as unloving another sees as just free expression which, by its lack of fear that it will offend, actually shows the superior faith of love toward others.

(2)Creating excessive rules to limit peoples free expression toward others only weakens men by sheltering them in an unrealistic shell which prevents them from ever learning to deal gracefully with others criticisms. Thus they stay what is called, "thin skinned." Weak. Easily offended because they have never been able to gain the needed experience to control their own emotions.

(3) Love that never grows strong enough to handle the words of others is, very simply put, love that never grows strong. And thus it is love that fails for it has no power to endure testing.

Summation: Love manages to become strong and be truly enduring when people learn to criticize themselves for the offense they jump to before criticizing the perceived offender. That would be doing what Jesus said at Matthew 7:5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Did Jesus just offend you? Was that unloving of Jesus to say?

And by the way, don't kid your self, love does have limits. As Solomon said:
Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: .............................
Ecclesiastes 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

fat wee robin · Jan 22, 2018

SkyWriting said:
I agree they are weird and an abomination, but not depraved
and not overfilled with lust. Scripture is referring to those
who give in to depravity and lust. Not to those with unusual
orientation. They need our love just as all do.

OldWiseGuy said:
"Women are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma." (Oh wait, that's Russia).

No that's sexist !!!

PeaceJoyLove · Jan 22, 2018

Buzz_B said:
And by the way, don't kid your self, love does have limits. As Solomon said:
Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

Man's love is perceived from a different place (with the five senses) that has limits...it expecting something in return. To be 'under heaven' is to not yet be 'single of eye'..."Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things." (Colossians 3:2) God's love is revealed through Jesus Christ; poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit...the kingdom is within you and as Paul said of this mystery being revealed, "Christ IN YOU, the hope of glory."

And hope makes not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given to us.

To Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind brings us to the place that we can (HE causes) love our neighbour as we love our self (or do unto others as you would have them do unto you) without a thought...impartially without limits...

We are called to seek (and find) this LOVE. God is love and HE fills all in all...when we can 'see' from where HE is...

OldWiseGuy · Jan 22, 2018

fat wee robin said:
No that's sexist !!!

Offered with the deepest affection.

Buzz_B · Jan 22, 2018

PeaceJoyLove said:
Man's love is perceived from a different place (with the five senses) that has limits...it expecting something in return. To be 'under heaven' is to not yet be 'single of eye'..."Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things." (Colossians 3:2) God's love is revealed through Jesus Christ; poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit...the kingdom is within you and as Paul said of this mystery being revealed, "Christ IN YOU, the hope of glory."

And hope makes not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given to us.

To Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind brings us to the place that we can (HE causes) love our neighbour as we love our self (or do unto others as you would have them do unto you) without a thought...impartially without limits...

We are called to seek (and find) this LOVE. God is love and HE fills all in all...when we can 'see' from where HE is...

I appreciate all you say and the spirit in which you offer it, but I respectfully have to disagree. For God's love is misrepresented by those who go to extremes with it.

Psalms 5:6 "Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man."

Psalms 10:3 "For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth."

God demonstrate perfect justice which we must also emulate:
Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

If we only emulate his love we are never fulfilling his image. God expects us to learn to be like him. And that is never going to happen if we keep denying emotions which he gave to us so that in their proper balance none of them become wasted by lack of use in our ignorance or by misuse in our ignorance.

There is a time for everything under the sun just as Solomon said, even a time for justice, a time for hate, a time for mercy, and a time for love.

fat wee robin · Jan 22, 2018

timewerx said:
1 Timothy 6:10 also agrees with me concerning ignorance being the root of all evil.

The reason people love money is because of ignorance of the fundamental concept of accummulation of wealth / generating profit. The primal concept of generating wealth in our corrupt world goes against the very nature of God -- exploiting the weak and is hypocritical at best. God originally intended for things to be available freely, not for a cost. It was sin that brought this corruption to the world. This is why Jesus explained in Luke 16:13 if you love money, you will hate God and vice versa.

And since money is probably the most valuable resource on Earth and basically the world runs on it, money is therefore also a huge part in the proliferation of evil / corruption of our world.
FAT WEE ROBIN
God does not mean for things to be freely available He means for humanity to Work with the raw materials of the earth to create what is needed to live and enjoy life .Money in reality did not exist until humanity left off working honestly and directly for his family, for his tribe etc . and began using others to do this work for him .
We cannot eat money ,nor gold ,nor can it clothe us
or make us well ,bring us water and medicines etc .
So in itself ,it has no value at all until we need larger and more organised communities and towns ,cities etc . Once humanity in any numbers, is organising the excess of the fruits of labour, he must have a measure against which he can compare the productivity and labour of workers ,and this becomes 'money . So many dollars ,euros for a ton of wheat etc .

Done simply between working people who trade of their work for yours (I make woollen jumpers ,you make bread etc),but it is honest and normal and good ,and even money is O.K until the ones who exploit the people who make the products ,work in the fields stop being honest .Then using their position they use the wealth created for their own projects ,often evil ones .

This is when God says you are no longer going to enter the Kingdom of God, for you have made an idol of gold ,money etc .Until then 'money' when well directed , builds schools ,beautiful towns and villages , hospitals , sports stadiums etc .

Those who steal from hard working inviduals are going to be very sorry one day . I see too many so -called christians who steal every day ,and yet think they are 'good people .
Good employers who create neccessary services ,and provide jobs, , are very worthy people indeed .
They will not exploit ,but add to the sum of human happinesss and creativity .
END of Robin

I am simply supplementing 1 Timothy 6:10. People do things for a reason. People love money for a reason. And love of money is the result of ignorance of the fundamental nature of money.

PeaceJoyLove · Jan 22, 2018

Buzz_B said:
I appreciate all you say and the spirit in which you offer it, but I respectfully have to disagree. For God's love is misrepresented by those who go to extremes with it.

Psalms 5:6 "Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man."

Psalms 10:3 "For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth."

God demonstrate perfect justice which we must also emulate:
Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

If we only emulate his love we are never fulfilling his image. God expects us to learn to be like him. And that is never going to happen if we keep denying emotions which he gave to us so that in their proper balance none of them become wasted by lack of use in our ignorance or by misuse in our ignorance.

There is a time for everything under the sun just as Solomon said, even a time for justice, a time for hate, a time for mercy, and a time for love.

God loved/s us even while yet sinners. It is HE alone who knows the heart, while man looks at outward appearances. All the scriptures you give are only things God does with righteous judgment...are you God?

The woman at the tree desired something she saw while reasoning with a serpent...knowledge of good and evil. God declared all that HE had made very good. And there is nothing that exists that did not come from HIM to bring about the fulfilling of His purpose. "Do unto to others as you would have them do unto you" is what HE calls us to do, without thought...to take thought is to still be eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But that, too, is not out of order. For the one wielding a sword must die by the sword.

Jesus asked for those who nailed Him to the cross to be forgiven by His Father for not knowing what they did...they were fulfilling His will just as much...And Stephen in The Book of Acts is another picture of this LOVE...

Buzz_B · Jan 22, 2018

PeaceJoyLove said:
God loved/s us even while yet sinners. It is HE alone who knows the heart, while man looks at outward appearances. All the scriptures you give are only things God does with righteous judgment...are you God?

The woman at the tree desired something she saw while reasoning with a serpent...knowledge of good and evil. God declared all that HE had made very good. And there is nothing that exists that did not come from HIM to bring about the fulfilling of His purpose. "Do unto to others as you would have them do unto you" is what HE calls us to do, without thought...to take thought is to still be eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But that, too, is not out of order. For the one wielding a sword must die by the sword.

Jesus asked for those who nailed Him to the cross to be forgiven by His Father for not knowing what they did...they were fulfilling His will just as much...And Stephen in The Book of Acts is another picture of this LOVE...

Again I appreciate your sincerity and the good spirit in which you offer this information to me but I have to respectfully disagree.

Lets take for example:
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

The Greek word there in both those verses, and for that matter most others, is "agapao'" and it is a verb which is about the action he takes or took. I say took because one has to be aware of verb tenses in the Greek so that can accurately know if that agapao is being expressed as a past, present, or future or encompasses all of those tenses.

When did God show that agapao' described in those verses? We are told when, here:

1 John 4:10 "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." Again that is the verb agapao'.

God showed love by sending his Son to us and now God fully expects something in return for that action of love he took toward us else we are kidding ourselves that he will keep acting with love toward us and we are taking him for granted. For he can become wroth with us if we treat his gift to us as though unimportant by failing to cooperate fully in listening to and emulating the ways of his Son. And if you sent your son to someone to help them like that knowing even just that he might end up dying because of it and the person you sent your son to acted like your son being sent meant little to them, you too would be wroth and righteously so. You would not be concerned about showing further acts of love to such an ungrateful one. And especially so if your son actually did end up suffering and dying because of it.

Edit: I turned my computer off and started to walk away and got smacked with another thought I should have included:

Even when we consider the tense of the verb agapao' and do find that it is a continuous action being shown we yet need to be aware of who the 2 personal plural or singular pronouns indicate is being spoken to. For the action can be continuous for the group as the congregation of God but not for certain individuals who do not abide by the spirit of the congregation, instead going their own way and doing things their way rather than Christ's way. He cannot be "the way" to anyone who will not do things his "way."

John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

DennisTate · Jan 22, 2018

DavidFirth said:
1 Corinthians 13

1If I speak in the tonguesa of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,b but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love

Love is certainly the key to the soon coming Awakening!

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/is-2018-the-awakening.8046095/

Is 2018 The Awakening?

ToBeLoved · Jan 22, 2018

We have to look at Jesus life closer to understand what love really is.

Not only did the Son of God leave the perfection of heaven and the Father to come down to earth, but as Jesus Christ, God became a Servant to all mankind.

To understand real love, one see's that it is servanthood to the best spiritual things for others.

PeaceJoyLove · Jan 22, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Again I appreciate your sincerity and the good spirit in which you offer this information to me but I have to respectfully disagree.

Lets take for example:
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

The Greek word there in both those verses, and for that matter most others, is "agapao'" and it is a verb which is about the action he takes or took. I say took because one has to be aware of verb tenses in the Greek so that can accurately know if that agapao is being expressed as a past, present, or future or encompasses all of those tenses.

When did God show that agapao' described in those verses? We are told when, here:

1 John 4:10 "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." Again that is the verb agapao'.

God showed love by sending his Son to us and now God fully expects something in return for that action of love he took toward us else we are kidding ourselves that he will keep acting with love toward us and we are taking him for granted. For he can become wroth with us if we treat his gift to us as though unimportant by failing to cooperate fully in listening to and emulating the ways of his Son. And if you sent your son to someone to help them like that knowing even just that he might end up dying because of it and the person you sent your son to acted like your son being sent meant little to them, you too would be wroth and righteously so. You would not be concerned about showing further acts of love to such an ungrateful one. And especially so if your son actually did end up suffering and dying because of it.

Edit: I turned my computer off and started to walk away and got smacked with another thought I should have included:

Even when we consider the tense of the verb agapao' and do find that it is a continuous action being shown we yet need to be aware of who the 2 personal plural or singular pronouns indicate is being spoken to. For the action can be continuous for the group as the congregation of God but not for certain individuals who do not abide by the spirit of the congregation, instead going their own way and doing things their way rather than Christ's way. He cannot be "the way" to anyone who will not do things his "way."

John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

I don't disagree with this from a certain place of viewing it...the knowledge of what this means to us grows in us. I know this because of experiencing it as a reality in me, which is the only way to know him, if we follow on to know him...as fully as we have always been known...perfect in love.

I love that last scripture you shared - He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

What did Jesus say about the two greatest commandments? "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

"In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets."

Buzz_B · Jan 22, 2018

PeaceJoyLove said:
I don't disagree with this from a certain place of viewing it...the knowledge of what this means to us grows in us. I know this because of experiencing it as a reality in me, which is the only way to know him, if we follow on to know him...as fully as we have always been known...perfect in love.

I love that last scripture you shared - He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

What did Jesus say about the two greatest commandments? "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

"In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets."

Yes I agree. But I would add that a part of that godly proper love of our self includes disciplining our self and so sometimes loving others means having to say things in a way which calls them to godly discipline even as we say things to ourselves when calling ourselves to get back in and/or stay in line. Love is not always enjoyable. Justice is a form of tough love for the most part. Not pleasurable but sometimes necessary. And then what if an on-looker misjudges that love through eyes of their own inexperience? Well, that makes love even a bit harder for us, doesn't it. But has it really hurt us? No, for the tested quality of love the same as the tested quality of faith makes us grow stronger. In fact:

Galatians 5:6 "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

Almost there · Jan 22, 2018

DavidFirth said:
1 Corinthians 13

1If I speak in the tonguesa of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,b but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love

Thread killed. Why are people still posting?

Buzz_B · Jan 22, 2018

Almost there said:
Thread killed. Why are people still posting?

Hi, long time no see!

Are you sure you have the right thread? I saw nowhere that this thread was ever killed.

Almost there · Jan 22, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Hi, long time no see!

Are you sure you have the right thread? I saw nowhere that this thread was ever killed.

It was a joke.

The bible nails it. It's kinda like asking, "did Jesus die for our sins"

PeaceJoyLove · Jan 22, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Yes I agree. But I would add that a part of that godly proper love of our self includes disciplining our self and so sometimes loving others means having to say things in a way which calls them to godly discipline even as we say things to ourselves when calling ourselves to get back in and/or stay in line. Love is not always enjoyable. Justice is a form of tough love for the most part. Not pleasurable but sometimes necessary. And then what if an on-looker misjudges that love through eyes of their own inexperience? Well, that makes love even a bit harder for us, doesn't it. But has it really hurt us? No, for the tested quality of love the same as the tested quality of faith makes us grow stronger. In fact:

Galatians 5:6 "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

"faith which worketh by love." Indeed!

Judging turned inward (concerning self) brings growth...has nothing to do with judging others...

John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. 16 But even if I do judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone when I judge; I am with the Father, who sent Me.

John 5:22 Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has assigned all judgment to the Son,

A truth of the soul being we are only judged when we judge...measured when we measure...

Then Jesus declared, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind may see and those who see may become blind."

What brings about a correct judgment? No one judging anyone... "but love covereth all sins."

Everyone is somewhere in the journey of soul/process taking place within...

Buzz_B · Jan 23, 2018

PeaceJoyLove said:
"faith which worketh by love." Indeed!

Judging turned inward (concerning self) brings growth...has nothing to do with judging others...

John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. 16 But even if I do judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone when I judge; I am with the Father, who sent Me.

John 5:22 Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has assigned all judgment to the Son,

A truth of the soul being we are only judged when we judge...measured when we measure...

Then Jesus declared, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind may see and those who see may become blind."

What brings about a correct judgment? No one judging anyone... "but love covereth all sins."

Everyone is somewhere in the journey of soul/process taking place within...

You speak somewhat correctly but combined also with some emotionally derived opinion. Emotions cause haste.

I do not mean judge in the sense of whether a person is or is not damnable. We had better know that kind of judgment is a prideful form of presumptuousness which causes us to lift ourselves up in the place of God.

But we do make judgements every day which are a part of our love for we have to judge what is for the good of others else our love is a random shot in the dark. But we cannot even know how to do that until we have learned to first judge ourselves.

If you can live life successfully without ever having to make judgments concerning others as to what of your actions is for their good or what of your actions would harm them then you are the only one I have ever met who can.

For example, I have here judged that you do err in your thinking and that it is love for me to gently encourage you to notice that error. It is love for me to let you know that you were the victim of your own haste caused by quickness to take offense, as exhibited in what you posted.

However, many would scoff at being told that, retorting the denial, "I have not taken offense! How dare you judge me!" That is the classical haughtiness sin has made common to many. And in Christ we are supposed to remain calm so as to bear one the other person's sins while gently judging with a faithful judgment that continues to believe each other does desire to do right so that we need not be afraid to offer a hand with a bit of useful counsel to assist in lifting them up.

Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

Have I to your mind said in this post that you are a bad person? Or have I merely said that you are human just as me and that just as I sometimes need a bit of helpful counsel I figure so do you?

How will you choose to see it? That is what God watches of us all. So fret not about me for I do not make the kind of judgments he does. I am judged by him and am keenly aware of that.

Gregory Thompson · Jan 23, 2018

Ephesians 3:19 comes to mind.

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