When I am asked to judge their sin....

Heart2Soul · Dec 28, 2017

I ran into a person I went to church with and he was actually the brother of a guy I met and dated for a short while from that church. We got to talking and eventually he let me know that he was gay. That he had been gay even back then and kept it secret from the family, who were devout Christians.....He started crying and said I know the Bible, I grew up learning the Word, but I can't help what I am....then he asked me....Am I going to go to hell because I am the way I am? Man, that was one I had to take a minute to answer, but then I said, I am not your judge....I cannot say whether you will go to hell or not, what I will say is if you are going to hell then so am I because I have sinned and lusted and done things as well.....but what will stop me from going to hell? Repentance? Oh Yes, I have done that over and over, so what hope do any of us have if we are bound up in a sin that we can't overcome? This is a real tough one.....and even though I have turned away from much of my younger days of sinning I still find myself missing the mark....So back to my friend....I asked him if he ever talks to God about his life and he said...all the time. So basically he was struggling with his spirit and his flesh. They just didn't agree with one another...someone give me some input please because I have family members that I found out were gay....very tough subject here. I don't judge, I don't condemn...that is my Father's place....and I really don't want to take His place...i believe we are to hate the sin but love the sinner. Still I know there a 7 abominations to God, so lust and fornication definitely are in there.

Serving Zion · Dec 28, 2017

Heart2Soul said:
I ran into a person I went to church with and he was actually the brother of a guy I met and dated for a short while from that church. We got to talking and eventually he let me know that he was gay. That he had been gay even back then and kept it secret from the family, who were devout Christians.....He started crying and said I know the Bible, I grew up learning the Word, but I can't help what I am....then he asked me....Am I going to go to hell because I am the way I am? Man, that was one I had to take a minute to answer, but then I said, I am not your judge....I cannot say whether you will go to hell or not, what I will say is if you are going to hell then so am I because I have sinned and lusted and done things as well.....but what will stop me from going to hell? Repentance? Oh Yes, I have done that over and over, so what hope do any of us have if we are bound up in a sin that we can't overcome? This is a real tough one.....and even though I have turned away from much of my younger days of sinning I still find myself missing the mark....So back to my friend....I asked him if he ever talks to God about his life and he said...all the time. So basically he was struggling with his spirit and his flesh. They just didn't agree with one another...someone give me some input please because I have family members that I found out were gay....very tough subject here. I don't judge, I don't condemn...that is my Father's place....and I really don't want to take His place...i believe we are to hate the sin but love the sinner. Still I know there a 7 abominations to God, so lust and fornication definitely are in there.

It sounds like The Holy Spirit had been convicting this man, and had convinced him to recognise that you are a true disciple of Jesus (John 13:35), so because he was convicted by his sinful nature, he was enquiring of you to know whether he might be forgiven or whether he might need help to understand how to obtain God's favour (John 20:21-23).

Your responsibility to him is to enquire of the reason for his guilt - is he being unfairly accused by the accuser, or does he really need to acknowledge that he is guilty of a sin that he has been denying? Perhaps he has acknowledged the sin and is trying to repent of it, but does not know how to make that change. Then you could pray with him, and ask The Holy Spirit to open your eyes to see where his philosophy is failing to facilitate his repentance, and through careful speech, yield yourself to His service for healing (Isaiah 9:5, John 14:26).

Malachi 2 probably has some useful wisdom to you for this too.

Blood Bought 1953 · Dec 28, 2017

Heart2Soul said:
I ran into a person I went to church with and he was actually the brother of a guy I met and dated for a short while from that church. We got to talking and eventually he let me know that he was gay. That he had been gay even back then and kept it secret from the family, who were devout Christians.....He started crying and said I know the Bible, I grew up learning the Word, but I can't help what I am....then he asked me....Am I going to go to hell because I am the way I am? Man, that was one I had to take a minute to answer, but then I said, I am not your judge....I cannot say whether you will go to hell or not, what I will say is if you are going to hell then so am I because I have sinned and lusted and done things as well.....but what will stop me from going to hell? Repentance? Oh Yes, I have done that over and over, so what hope do any of us have if we are bound up in a sin that we can't overcome? This is a real tough one.....and even though I have turned away from much of my younger days of sinning I still find myself missing the mark....So back to my friend....I asked him if he ever talks to God about his life and he said...all the time. So basically he was struggling with his spirit and his flesh. They just didn't agree with one another...someone give me some input please because I have family members that I found out were gay....very tough subject here. I don't judge, I don't condemn...that is my Father's place....and I really don't want to take His place...i believe we are to hate the sin but love the sinner. Still I know there a 7 abominations to God, so lust and fornication definitely are in there.

Initial repentance means to see you are a lost, bankrupt sinner before God . If one does not see that he is lost he is ,living in a fools Paradise. ANYBODY that asks to be saved WILL be saved.Put your faith in Christ—He will use the Holy Spirit and chastisement to get you where He wants you to be.Believe Paul’s Gospel thAt SAVES....and let God finish the work He started.I will pray for you.if your heart is contrite , God will work with you. It takes time. GOD BLESS

Tolworth John · Dec 28, 2017

Heart2Soul said:
I still find myself missing the mark.....

This is I think key it what you are both trying to do. To earn ones salvation.

To be blunt, sex is only ever for between husband and wife. All other sexual relationships are in Gods sight wrong.

We all need to trust in what Jesus has done for us and as far as we can stop sinning.
For some this is easier than for others.

Blood Bought 1953 · Dec 28, 2017

Tolworth John said:
This is I think key it what you are both trying to do. To earn ones salvation.

To be blunt, sex is only ever for between husband and wife. All other sexual relationships are in Gods sight wrong.

We all need to trust in what Jesus has done for us and as far as we can stop sinning.
For some this is easier than for others.

Anyone that thinks they can “earn” their Salvation is as lost as one can be.

Heart2Soul · Dec 28, 2017

Serving Zion said:
It sounds like The Holy Spirit had been convicting this man, and had convinced him to recognise that you are a true disciple of Jesus (John 13:35), so because he was convicted by his sinful nature, he was enquiring of you to know whether he might be forgiven or whether he might need help to understand how to obtain God's favour (John 20:21-23).

Your responsibility to him is to enquire of the reason for his guilt - is he being unfairly accused by the accuser, or does he really need to acknowledge that he is guilty of a sin that he has been denying? Perhaps he has acknowledged the sin and is trying to repent of it, but does not know how to make that change. Then you could pray with him, and ask The Holy Spirit to open your eyes to see where his philosophy is failing to facilitate his repentance, and through careful speech, yield yourself to His service for healing (Isaiah 9:5, John 14:26).

Malachi 2 probably has some useful wisdom to you for this too.

This helps a lot...I never want to be the person who throws stones at another's sins in life. i only want to be there with the right words spoken at the right time that will help bring deliverance and help to those who are bound in sin.

Heart2Soul · Dec 28, 2017

Tolworth John said:
This is I think key it what you are both trying to do. To earn ones salvation.

To be blunt, sex is only ever for between husband and wife. All other sexual relationships are in Gods sight wrong.

We all need to trust in what Jesus has done for us and as far as we can stop sinning.
For some this is easier than for others.

I agree that sex with the same gender is wrong, but God hates lying tongues as much as he hates lustful sins. So I myself see no difference in a person bound in sexual sins to a person who lies and deceives.

Heart2Soul · Dec 28, 2017

Tolworth John said:
This is I think key it what you are both trying to do. To earn ones salvation.

To be blunt, sex is only ever for between husband and wife. All other sexual relationships are in Gods sight wrong.

We all need to trust in what Jesus has done for us and as far as we can stop sinning.
For some this is easier than for others.

Also, may I ask what you would say to a gay person who asked you this....and how would you say it without putting condemnation on him.

~Anastasia~ · Dec 28, 2017

To be attracted to someone of the same sex is not a sin - it's a temptation. Temptation is not sin. It is how we interact with temptation that leads to our successes or failures in resisting it.

However, there is no legitimate outlet for the practice of same-sex intercourse. It is not a marriage bed that can be blessed by God.

Yes, we all sin. This is not some "special" sin that makes a person automatically beyond the grace of God. Instead, one who struggles against it ought to have compassion, and if he struggles successfully, ought to be admired. It is a difficult and heavy cross to bear.

But what would you say if someone confessed an ongoing desire to commit adultery? That was where their attraction lay, what they desired. How could you counsel such a person? In terms of how we interact with temptation, and the grace of God, those answers are similar (and in this case I suppose it's important to say that adultery can never be legitimized - I fear there may be some who think it could be).

You are right that we ought not judge - as in sit in condemnation of anyone else, as though their sins were more terrible than ours, or we had none ourselves.

But I would hope no one would assure that adultery could be "ok" ... God will understand ... or what have you. We indeed pray for mercy, but we can never assure people that embracing their sin is safe.

God be with you.

Heart2Soul · Dec 28, 2017

~Anastasia~ said:
To be attracted to someone of the same sex is not a sin - it's a temptation. Temptation is not sin. It is how we interact with temptation that leads to our successes or failures in resisting it.

However, there is no legitimate outlet for the practice of same-sex intercourse. It is not a marriage bed that can be blessed by God.

Yes, we all sin. This is not some "special" sin that makes a person automatically beyond the grace of God. Instead, one who struggles against it ought to have compassion, and if he struggles successfully, ought to be admired. It is a difficult and heavy cross to bear.

But what would you say if someone confessed an ongoing desire to commit adultery? That was where their attraction lay, what they desired. How could you counsel such a person? In terms of how we interact with temptation, and the grace of God, those answers are similar (and in this case I suppose it's important to say that adultery can never be legitimized - I fear there may be some who think it could be).

You are right that we ought not judge - as in sit in condemnation of anyone else, as though their sins were more terrible than ours, or we had none ourselves.

But I would hope no one would assure that adultery could be "ok" ... God will understand ... or what have you. We indeed pray for mercy, but we can never assure people that embracing their sin is safe.

God be with you.

Amen, this is how I feel, and I really believe this is the heart of Jesus.....we should hate the sin but love the sinner. I really hate when people are so quick to judge another's fault but turn around and justify their own. It's a double standard and i haven't found that in the Bible...God is a Sovereign God and He applies His Laws to all of us equally.

Heart2Soul · Dec 28, 2017

Tolworth John said:
This is I think key it what you are both trying to do. To earn ones salvation.

To be blunt, sex is only ever for between husband and wife. All other sexual relationships are in Gods sight wrong.

We all need to trust in what Jesus has done for us and as far as we can stop sinning.
For some this is easier than for others.

well as for myself, no I gave up on earning my salvation a long time ago, however I am disappointed in how easily I get back into temptation....especially after a traumatic event in my life. I am extremely guilty of comparing myself to other Christians. I am so not on the level I should be. Well I thank God for the Word which encourages me to keep fighting. Is it Phillipians where Paul wrote: Being confident of this very thing, that He who begun a good work in me will perform it to the end, to the coming of Christ Jesus. So in this scripture I find comfort in knowing that God began a good work in me and God will perform it til Jesus comes....if I am interpreting it right.

Tolworth John · Dec 28, 2017

Blood Bought 1953 said:
Anyone that thinks they can “earn” their Salvation is as lost as one can be.

How is this coment meant to help the poster?

Tolworth John · Dec 28, 2017

Heart2Soul said:
Also, may I ask what you would say to a gay person who asked you this....and how would you say it without putting condemnation on him.

As I have said I would explain that Christianity afirms sex only between a married man and wife, that All other sexual relationships were wrong in Gods sight.

Hopefully I would be able to explain this gently and without giving the impression that I was making a judgement on that person.

Heart2Soul · Dec 28, 2017

Tolworth John said:
As I have said I would explain that Christianity afirms sex only between a married man and wife, that All other sexual relationships were wrong in Gods sight.

Hopefully I would be able to explain this gently and without giving the impression that I was making a judgement on that person.

Having stated that during our conversation I asked him what purpose did his sexuality serve him...was is simply a sexual attraction or was there an actual "love" as is between a man and a woman. His only answer was that he was attracted to guys from a very young age. I remember going to hear a special guest speaker at a church and his message was about deliverance of a demonic spirit. He was married and had kids and one day he was at a co-workers house working on some project for work....that person made some kind of advance towards him and he enjoyed it. That is when he decided he was gay. Years later he encountered a man of God who lay hands on him and cast that demon out. He said all those homosexual desires left him immediately. So I often think of this person when I talk to a gay man or woman and wonder if it is a demonic spirit that makes them feel attraction towards the same sex.

Blood Bought 1953 · Dec 28, 2017

Tolworth John said:
How is this coment meant to help the poster?

Some people need to be “ jolted” with the Truth before it is too late.....Jesus jolted Nicodemus when He more or less told him he must be “born again”. Nicodemus was clueless...you don’t think he lost some sleep when it was revealed to him that all that he thought was going to save him was way short of the truth.Jesus sure as heck jolted the rich young ruler when he punctured his self-righteous ballon. Jesus surely jolted the ones he called “swine” and “dogs”. And “vipers” “Sons of Hell”. He sure jolted the money changers when he took a whip to them and I guar
Antee He jolted the devil out of Peter when He called him “Satan” . So much for our myth of the “always sweet and loving “ Jesus. only Jesus was Righteous.. God will “CONSIDER “ us righteous if we believe Paul’s Gospel in 1cor15......but if you think you are “ good enough” to enter Heaven , you are damned. “ nobody is righteous,no, not one! “ it’s faith in HIS Righteousness thAt saves——not ours ..

GTW27 · Dec 28, 2017

Heart2Soul said:
Having stated that during our conversation I asked him what purpose did his sexuality serve him...was is simply a sexual attraction or was there an actual "love" as is between a man and a woman. His only answer was that he was attracted to guys from a very young age. I remember going to hear a special guest speaker at a church and his message was about deliverance of a demonic spirit. He was married and had kids and one day he was at a co-workers house working on some project for work....that person made some kind of advance towards him and he enjoyed it. That is when he decided he was gay. Years later he encountered a man of God who lay hands on him and cast that demon out. He said all those homosexual desires left him immediately. So I often think of this person when I talk to a gay man or woman and wonder if it is a demonic spirit that makes them feel attraction towards the same sex.

Blessings in Christ Jesus. You just hit the nail on the head. It is a spiritual matter weather the world wants to hear it or not. I personally get a spiritual headache from the demonic spirit hiding within the gay person.Same as any other demonic spirit. How to witness to a gay person is the same as witnessing to any other person. Have faith, and The Lord will open your lips and give you what to say. Nothing prepared, just faith to believe He will, and He will. The demonic spirit that causes this can leave one of two ways. Being cast out, or, if the person truly comes to The Lord, and is born (again)or from above. You see, when The Lord enters in, everything unclean must exit that person. In this case, it is eternal, but in the first case it can be temperal for the demonic spirit can and will try to return with friends. I hope this helps you.

Tolworth John · Dec 29, 2017

Blood Bought 1953 said:
Some people need to be “ jolted” with the Truth before it is too late.....Jesus jolted Nicodemus when He more or less told him he must be “born again”. Nicodemus was clueless...you don’t think he lost some sleep when it was revealed to him that all that he thought was going to save him was way short of the truth.Jesus sure as heck jolted the rich young ruler when he punctured his self-righteous ballon. Jesus surely jolted the ones he called “swine” and “dogs”. And “vipers” “Sons of Hell”. He sure jolted the money changers when he took a whip to them and I guar
Antee He jolted the devil out of Peter when He called him “Satan” . So much for our myth of the “always sweet and loving “ Jesus. only Jesus was Righteous.. God will “CONSIDER “ us righteous if we believe Paul’s Gospel in 1cor15......but if you think you are “ good enough” to enter Heaven , you are damned. “ nobody is righteous,no, not one! “ it’s faith in HIS Righteousness thAt saves——not ours ..

May I suggest that you read what I actual wrote.

It will surprise you that I covered this as well as a lot more.

So again how do you think saying you are a sinner, and that is all you say actually helps a sinner?

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