proving evolution as just a "theory"

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Because biology has got nothing to do with religion, as the fact that the majority of Christians accept it testifies.

Evolution Theory becomes the deityless god of the Atheist. It is solely based on ideology and has no implication to objective morality. So that it leads from Liberalism to anarchism and requires an autocratic dictorship to rule it like a virtuous machine. Stalins five year plans come to mind.
 
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All Atheists are Evolutionist

Wrong.

All Atheists are Liberals

Wrong.

Studies have shown that Liberalism leads to Anarchism.

Citation?

These are the fruits of Evolution Theory. Historically it has shown that it is detrimental to the health, safety and existence of humanity and if not stopped leads to death and carnage

Citation?

I have the feeling you just don't want to accept the Theory of Evolution as true because you have been heavily indoctrinated and are emotionaly invested in your religion. I really don't understand why you even debate this subject because you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
 
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Wrong.



Wrong.



Citation?



Citation?

I have the feeling you just don't want to accept the Theory of Evolution as true because you have been heavily indoctrinated and are emotionaly invested in your religion. I really don't understand why you even debate this subject because you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

Thankyou Atheist from Germany.
 
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Thankyou Atheist from Germany.

I know atheists who don't accept evolution
and I know atheists who are not liberals.

Since you don't provide citations for your other two points I consider them conceded and hope you don't dishonestly lie again.
 
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Evolution Theory becomes the deityless god of the Atheist. It is solely based on ideology and has no implication to objective morality. So that it leads from Liberalism to anarchism and requires an autocratic dictorship to rule it like a virtuous machine. Stalins five year plans come to mind.

LOL, Your futile attempts to discredit Evolution scientifically have failed so you have resort to this line of "argument".

You don't accept evolution because it threatens your belief system, we get it.

Many christians do accept it though, which can be easily evidenced, so this line of argument is refuted too.
 
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All I see friend, repeated failed attempt over and over again. It seems the protocols of the learnered Atheistist is not too good in the department of deception. Where is the motto by deception we shall wage war against the Christian.
....sooooo, what of all the Christian Evolutionary Scientists, like Francis Collins, Ken Miller, even @sfs right here on this forum, are these Christians waging war against Christians?
 
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What "observational data" supports this?

Huskies come from huskies, not dust.
So where did your first life form originate from? Out of thin air? Or are you going to be honest with yourself and admit from "dust"?
 
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You really are clutching at straws there, and these desperate, not well thought out comments, always make me wonder why you all need to do such things if you truly have a real defense.

Anyway, I've little doubt all flying creatures were called birds at a time when we had not gotten to creating all the classifications we have today. So, no, no error at all, they were birds at the time...makes perfectly logical sense to me anyway.


I just love it when some self-righteous, but uninformed 'Christian' tries to 'tsk tsk' and condescend to someone else about something like this, as if they actually understand even their own bible...


Leviticus 11:13-19New International Version (NIV)

13 “‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,[a] the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat."



Oh, the sweet demolition of a condescending bible 'expert' who apparently does not even know the bible...

Apology accepted (since I know i would never get a real one - internet Christian creationists are like that, I have found).
 
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Must be a slow day for some here. :)

Oh, the irony of the egotist's blindness...


Leviticus 11:13-19New International Version (NIV)

13 “‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,[a] the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat."


Let the excuses and dodges and equivocations and diversions begin!

LOL!
 
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Spamming the same wrong crap over and over will not make it true, he of the "allie" and "DNA letter"...
Sigh, have you not learned anything from watching life propagate? We will use dogs, since they clearly show you what you call evolution in a timeframe of a few hundred years instead of million if left to natural occurrences.

We will do this slowly, since repeatedly being shown the truth has failed to sink in.

Husky........mates........with........Husky........and.........produces........only........Husky. Mastiff........mates........with........Mastiff........and........produces........only........Mastif. Only........when........Husky........mates........with.......Mastiff........is........new.........forms........produced. The........Chinook.

Since over 100 breeds of dogs came about from wolf stock, those original wolf genes contained within them all the genetic code necessary for the creation of all the breeds we see today. Whether you want to admit to it or not, the Husky and Mastiff genome contains within them everything needed to create the Chinook. There was no mutation involved, no evolution.

Now, as to the Asian, you may like to pretend in fantasy land they came about from one evolving into more than one. But like the original wolf, the original human genome contained all the genetic code needed to create every race we see today. There was no mutation involved, no evolution. Learn the lesson dogs teach you and apply it.



Supposition and heresay. Have you seen with your own eyes these minimal mutations cause changes over millions of years? No.

Yes chihuahua's have emerged, from breeding, not mutations, not evolution. Again, what you see in dogs is what you believe evolution to be except in a small time frame due to man bringing them together instead of waiting for famine or geological changes to bring them together. And this is what you wont admit to yourself, even when you admit it is the same process except for timescale, they are all still the exact same species....... Learn the lesson dogs have taught you and apply it.


You have observed the emergence of new subspecies. That you incorrectly classify them as a new species is the error. Just as you refuse to accept those finches are the same species, even if they are interbreeding and producing fertile offspring right in front of the researchers noses. Even if the DNA told them they had always been interbreeding and so were never reproductively isolated and so never underwent speciation. You deny the truth even to yourself. Are you so lost that you cant even face the truth set before your eyes?Do you need people that lie to you to tell you what to think? Learn the lesson dogs have taught you and apply it. Think for yourself.

They know the truth........

Defining a species

"For example, these happy face spiders look different, but since they can interbreed, they are considered the same species: Theridion grallator."

But continue the lie for their own purposes which has nothing to do with science.

Nor does anyone on here that continues the lie when they know the truth, have anything to do with science.
 
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I'm not sure you even understand what you're saying, much less qualified to opine on their merits.
Defining a species
"For example, these happy face spiders look different, but since they can interbreed, they are considered the same species: Theridion grallator."

Yet they nor you can justify their classifications of thosew finches as separate species.

Just like those spiders they are one and all interbreeding. So why would you accept the truth about those spiders and believe the lie about those finches?

Darwin classified them as separate species based upon the belief they were reproductively isolated. 200+ years later we find this was not true, that it was a mistaken belief. Yet like them you refuse to accept the truth simply because those finches were Darwins prime living example of speciation. There is no justification.

All you all do is show you cant be trusted to tell the truth with anything by refusing to admit a simple mistake in classification. There is no scientific reason to classify them as separate species, but I am hoping one of you finally claims the reason they give so that I can prove once and for all you dont even believe what they tell you. That you only support the lie because you are expected to.

And hence nothing any of you say can be trusted as being honest, because you support pure lies by those who refuse to change their mistaken classifications for religious reasons. Their is no science involved, purely religious fervor. As E said, if you cant be trusted in the little truths......
 
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And brave Sir Justa ran Away !
I think evangelical churches and Fox News provides the confusion factors.



Yes, all domesticated dogs are of one species.
What about foxes?
Jackals?
Are they their own Kind?

If so, why?

What was the plan to have so many so very similar 'kinds'?


Who is 'they'?


Can cheetahs interbreed with ocelots?


Yup. But they are descended from a single species. Sorry - Finch Kind.

Speaking of birds, is "kind" at the level of the Finch? Or are ALL birds of one Kind?

Can parrots breed with emus?

If not, why not?




Your bible classifies bats as birds. Can creationists admit that even THAT is in error?


What 'truth' are you referring to?


It is so cute, in an 'aw, look at that little feller' sort of way, that you seem to think that because subspecies exist that evolution is false and the creation tales of Hebrew tribesmen are therefore correct.

One of the distinguishing characteristics of even Darwin's 'primitive' version of the ToE was that he proposed a mechanism for change. Genetics provided the raw material (the discovery of the hereditary material, mutations, etc.) for selection to work on.

All you are offering is an assertion in which you co-opt evidence of variation and declare, in effect, 'Kinds gave off sub-kinds'.

How?

Where did the variation come from if they were 'created' AS a 'kind'?

WHAT IS A KIND???

Are there any living examples of created Kinds, and how can you tell?

Anything other than very, very misplaced and unwarranted declarations of victory?

And why, if genetic analysis should come to an arbitrary HALT when going from one Kind to another, does this not actually happen?

Many years ago, a creationist declared that if I could show a 'smooth gradation of genetic identity between 2 species' that she would be forced to reconsider her rejection of evolution. I did just that. Did she re-think her position? of course not - she made excuses.

Will you make excuses, too? Or will you provide evidence FOR your claims (as opposed to declarations of victory based on rejecting evidence for evolution)?

Oh - and BTW -

Copy-pasting your own previous posts that do not actually support your position is a rather sad way to engage in grown-up discussion.


Bravely ran away away! - only to post and re-pst the same repetitive (irrelevant) nonsense about Huskies and Asians...
 
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As a few posters have indicted what the fruits of Evolution Theory are, as follows....

So that all roads of Evolution Theory lead to eugenics and mass culling of non performing humans, those underperforming useless eaters.

Evolution Theory historically and factually has proven to be the weapon of mass destruction against humanity.

Evolution Theory a historic road to genocide.
Feel free to point that out in the scientific literature whenever you're ready. In the mean time, here's some light reading for everyone from your dizzyingly high moral perch...:

1 Samuel 15:2-3
Joshua 6:21
Hosea 13:16
Deuteronomy 2:34
Deuteronomy 3:4-6
Joshua 10:40
Deuteronomy 20:16-17
Deuteronomy 13:15
Isaiah 13:15-17
Judges 20:48
Deuteronomy 7:2 and Deuteronomy 7:16
Jeremiah 50:21-22
Isaiah 14:21
Genesis 7:4

I could go on, seems there's no shortage of material here to enlighten us all. Looking forward to you fronting the evidence incriminating the scientific theory of evolution...
 
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Oh, the irony of the egotist's blindness...


Leviticus 11:13-19New International Version (NIV)

13 “‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,[a] the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat."


Let the excuses and dodges and equivocations and diversions begin!

LOL!

Perhaps you should learn Hebrew before you comment on things you dont understand......

Strong's Hebrew: 5775. עוֹף (oph) -- flying creatures

oph: flying creatures

That some translate it as bird is not its original meaning. It is flying creatures of whatever Kind is being discussed.

That both Heron and bat are flying creatures is not in dispute. So exactly what is your problem besides not doing proper research and spouting things off the top of your head thinking your so smart yet in the end finding out you didnt even bother to research what the original language said?

Yes, let the excuses and doges begin as you all attempt to justify your lack of research.....

And the sad part is I even posted what the original Hebrew said in another post, so you should have been aware it may mean any Kind of flying, ummm, creature.....
 
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I know atheists who don't accept evolution
and I know atheists who are not liberals.

Since you don't provide citations for your other two points I consider them conceded and hope you don't dishonestly lie again.

Go look up crime rates, divorce rates etc versus population since 1962 when creation was removed the schools and replaced by evolution. Then come back and discuss your findings.....
 
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So where did your first life form originate from? Out of thin air? Or are you going to be honest with yourself and admit from "dust"?

We were talking about huskies, you know, the "dog kind" you claimed were specially created. Are you now saying that they descended from the first life on Earth? Good stuff!
 
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Perhaps you should learn Hebrew before you comment on things you dont understand......

Strong's Hebrew: 5775. עוֹף (oph) -- flying creatures

oph: flying creatures

That some translate it as bird is not its original meaning. It is flying creatures of whatever Kind is being discussed.

That both Heron and bat are flying creatures is not in dispute. So exactly what is your problem besides not doing proper research and spouting things off the top of your head thinking your so smart yet in the end finding out you didnt even bother to research what the original language said?

Yes, let the excuses and doges begin as you all attempt to justify your lack of research.....

And the sad part is I even posted what the original Hebrew said in another post, so you should have been aware it may mean any Kind of flying, ummm, creature.....


So we can't trust English translations of the bible? At least we can finally dispense with this inerrancy nonsense. Phew.
 
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No comment on post 1872 Justa.

The one which you showed that you were wrong to say

"the Husky and Mastiff genome contains within them everything needed to create the Chinook. There was no mutation involved, no evolution."

The post which showed that you have previously been shown at least one mutation that has been identified and admitted that it was a mutation that made a difference?
 
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Spamming the same wrong crap over and over will not make it true, he of the "allie" and "DNA letter"...
Agreed, your continuously avoiding the facts of observation and spamming evolution wont make it true.

It wont change the fact that Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. That African mates with African and produces only African. That only when the Asian mates with the African does a new subspecies appear, the Afro-Asian.

It wont change the fact that Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. That Mastiff mates with Mastiff and produces only Mastiff. That only when Husky mates with Mastiff does a new subspecies appear, the Chinook.

It wont change the fact that the Asian remained Asian, the African remained African and neither of them evolved into the Afro-Asian.

It wont change the fact that the Husky remained Husky and the Mastiff remained Mastiff and neither evolved into the Chinook.

It wont change the fact that evolutionists will continue to ignore how life propagates and new forms appear in the record, not gradually, but suddenly, where they did not exist before. And such is why your transitory species are missing in the fossil record, because they never existed. Fossil A simply mated with fossil B and fossil C appeared suddenly in the strata. That you mistakenly classify fossil A and fossil B and fossil C as separate species is where your confusion comes in. But then you still havent learned the lesson of dogs, even if you seemed earlier to understand to an extent.

Nor will it change the facts that those finches are all one species, just like those spiders. Regardless that you refuse to think for yourself and continue to support the lie for no scientific reason that you can give that you will actually support.
 
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So we can't trust English translations of the bible? At least we can finally dispense with this inerrancy nonsense. Phew.

But then if you actually read any of my posts you'd already know I have always advocated checking the original Hebrew first. Or have you missed my discussions with other christians regarding Genesis? So your attempt at a fruitless jibe is just that, fruitless....
 
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