When / How do we receive the Holy Spirit?

Quasar92 said:

And where, may I ask, did you obtain your qualifications to teach the Bible?

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As a Spirit-filled saint from the Holy Spirit himself.

Quasar92 said:

These three passages make it clear that the Holy Spirit is received at the moment of salvation.

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That's the problem. Just because a person "believes" does not guarantee salvation.
That my friend is very much dependent on judgment by Christ Jesus when he returns and at the second resurrection when the books of life are opened.

ViaCrucis said:

"Repent and be baptized all of you in the name of the Lord Jesus for the forgiveness of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." - Acts 2:38

-CryptoLutheran

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Israel was baptised into Moses and received revelation that her obedience would lead to her being a blessing to the world, these revelations being in the form of requiring obedience when deprived of food and water and safety from enemy action, when God would reward obedience AND rescue from deprivation. Unfortunately, only Joshua and Caleb entered the Promised Land.

Christians are baptised into Christ and received revelation that their obedience would lead to their being a blessing to the world, these revelations being in the form of requiring obedience when asked to pick up the Cross, when God would reward obedience AND rescue from the result of the Cross. Unfortunately, very few will enter the Promised Land, have Rest, be Chosen.

Matthew 22:14
1414For many are called,but few are chosen.”

Waggles said:

As a Spirit-filled saint from the Holy Spirit himself.

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I've met a lot of people who apparently were personally taught by the Holy Spirit, the most fascinating thing about them all is that they all disagreed with one another.

Either the Holy Spirit is very confused, or they were. My vote is on the latter, as I do not believe that the Almighty is confused.

Which is also why I don't put any faith in the claims of anyone tells me that they have learned anything directly from the Spirit; especially when they say things at odds with Holy Scripture and two thousand years of Christian teaching. I know where the Holy Spirit is and does work--through His Word and in His Church. These I trust. Everything else is human hubris.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

I've met a lot of people who apparently were personally taught by the Holy Spirit, the most fascinating thing about them all is that they all disagreed with one another.

Either the Holy Spirit is very confused, or they were. My vote is on the latter, as I do not believe that the Almighty is confused.

Which is also why I don't put any faith in the claims of anyone tells me that they have learned anything directly from the Spirit; especially when they say things at odds with Holy Scripture and two thousand years of Christian teaching. I know where the Holy Spirit is and does work--through His Word and in His Church. These I trust. Everything else is human hubris.

-CryptoLutheran

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So is the practice of teaching from the pulpit Scriptural, since it can also lead to communicating and perpetuating error?

What was the method used to avoid error in the New Testament?

What was the method used to avoid error in the Old Testament?

ViaCrucis said:

Everything else is human hubris.

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Like Lutheranism? Learning from the teachings of men and the unbelief of theology.

Quasar92 said:

Your above assessments does not provide you the qualifications to teach the Bible in any Bible College,

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Bible college!!! You gotta be joking.
And what end up being an ignoramus like Chuck Swindoll a product of the alleged famous Dallas
School of Theology. No thanks.
Like I wrote I have listened to the likes of Charles Stanley and many other public TV evangelists none
of whom I have ever heard preach the true gospel of salvation that I and most other Pentecostals can read for themselves by the Spirit in our own KJV New Testaments.

You claim to have the Holy Spirit and yet your writings and "theology" give no evidence to this.

Quasar92 said:

The OP comes from gotquestions.org, as so posted at the bottom of the article. I do not have the exact link for it. However, you can go to them online and ask them about it, and I'm sure you will get the answers you are seeking.


Quasar92

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Yep thanks I went and had a look - I am sorry but I still believe those passages were taken out of context and I don't agree or totally disagree with the opinions of those evangelical theologians. I stand by my statement:

We receive the Holy Spirit when we accept the Holy Spirit into our lives. I could be baptised, confirmed and hollered over a 1000 times and I don't say 'yes' to the Holy Spirit I have nothing.

accept being the keyword in my statement.

Waggles said:

As a Spirit-filled saint from the Holy Spirit himself.

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Yep. The same place where the Apostles, including Peter, John, James, and Paul received theirs. Not counting Martin Luther, John Wesley, General Booth, D,L. Moody, Charles Finney, Jonathan Edwards, David Brainerd, Evan Roberts, and every other Bible teacher who brought the glory of God down in revival, resulting in thousands being converted to Christ. Oh, and we cannot forget Jesus Himself, who got his qualifications from the Father through The Holy Spirit, and He was opposed by the principal religious academics of His time!

[QUOTE="Thedictator, post:

The Only verse that states when we receive the Holy Spirit is Acts 2:38[/QUOTE]

No that is not the only verse that states when we receive the Holy Spirit but even that one is not saying what you imply in order. One believes and by faith their sins are remitted by their faith in Jesus who's dying at Calvary giving up His life is what saves them and because of this the Holy Spirit indwell them. Ephesians 1:12-14 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

And the same Apostle Peter stated after Acts 2:38 this when these came to the Lord and upon hearing the gospel they believed and received the Holy Spirit just as Paul stated above, Acts 10:43-48 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

And let us not forget without the shedding of blood there is no remission Revelations 17:11/Heb 9:22. Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.

iwbswiaihl said:

[QUOTE="Thedictator, post:

The Only verse that states when we receive the Holy Spirit is Acts 2:38

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No that is not the only verse that states when we receive the Holy Spirit but even that one is not saying what you imply in order. One believes and by faith their sins are remitted by their faith in Jesus who's dying at Calvary giving up His life is what saves them and because of this the Holy Spirit indwell them. Ephesians 1:12-14 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

And the same Apostle Peter stated after Acts 2:38 this when these came to the Lord and upon hearing the gospel they believed and received the Holy Spirit just as Paul stated above, Acts 10:43-48 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

And let us not forget without the shedding of blood there is no remission Revelations 17:11/Heb 9:22. Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.
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It all has to do with a person's faith. If the person who is converted then has the faith that he or she is filled with The Holy Spirit as well, then what you are saying is quite true. But if a person doesn't have the faith for that and needs to be encouraged to have the faith for the infilling of The Spirit, then he or she can take that step of faith and have the same outcome. Once a person is filled with The Spirit, then how they got there is merely academic.

But I will say that in all the examples in Acts (four of them), when believers are filled with The Spirit there is tangible evidence. Something happened that had never happened before which made them know without a doubt that they were filled with The Spirit. There is no evidence in the New Testament that people professed to be filled with The Spirit without tangible evidence.

On the day of Pentecost is was the rushing mighty wind, the tongues of fire on the heads, and the speaking in tongues.
Where the disciples got together and prayed for boldness to preach the gospel and for signs and wonders be done in the Holy Name of Jesus, the place was shaken, and they were filled with The Spirit and spoke the Word with boldness.
At Cornelius' house, they were filled with The Spirit and spoke in tongues and praised God.
At Ephesus, the 12 believers who were there, spoke with tongues and prophesied.
Paul says to be filled with the Spirit, speaking to yourselves in psalms, hymns and spiritual songs, making melody in your hearts to the Lord.
He did not say, be filled with The Spirit and sit like cold fish in a formalised church singing the three obligatory hymns and listen to the equivalent of an adult Bible study academic sermon which did little more than tickle the ears.

Many in churches are saying that they are filled with The Spirit, but there is no evidence of it. They don't spontaneously sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs, and they don't make melody in their hearts to the Lord. All they do is to follow the formalised programme for an hour on Sunday and go home full of tea and cookies afterward. Also, they don't demonstrate love, joy and peace, kindness or gentleness, when they harshly criticise those who are showing evidence of the infilling of The Spirit through tongues, prophecy, healing, deliverance, expressions of spontaneous joy in their church services and personal lives.

If those who say they are filled with The Spirit without accompanying evidence as shown in the Book of Acts, and are harshly criticising other members of the body of Christ because these people worship with more emotion and expression than they do, and/or set up "heresy exposing" websites maintaining that everyone else is wrong except their demominational faction (which Paul condemns in 1 Corinthians), then I say they are not filled with The Spirit at all. They are filled with a religious, factional, divisive, critical, unkind, harsh, envious and jealous spirit. And Jesus said that those who do not have the spirit of Christ are none of His. He is not talking about The Holy Spirit, He is talking about the spirit that is described by 1 Corinthians 13 and the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5.

A religious spirit can quote scripture as well as any other to try and prove a point. But just having Bible references, usually quoted out of context, is not evidence of the infilling of The Spirit. A believer radiating 1 Corinthians 13 and the fruit of The Spirit, is the one showing evidence of it. A cold, religious, fish type church member can quote all the scriptures until the cows come home to try and prove that he is filled with The Spirit, but until he shows it according to the references in Acts, 1 Corinthians 13, and Galatians 5, then he still has some way to go in his attitude to Christ.

Quasar92 said:

And where, may I ask, did you obtain your qualifications to teach the Bible?

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The New Testament is about the promises made by Jesus in the OT when He said that he would put
his Spirit into our hearts and put his law within us.
And a disciple who denies the flesh and humbles themselves can then be lead by the Spirit
and bear fruit of the Spirit.
One does not need theology to walk in the Spirit and to learn and grow by examining oneself against
the word of God. It was never meant to be complicated but inclusive and embracing for the poor and
the meek and the uneducated and the deplorables of this world.

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 18:3-4
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak
of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
John 16:13
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abides in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1John 2:27
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Corinthians 1:26-27

Waggles said:

You claim to have the Holy Spirit and yet your writings and "theology" give no evidence to this.

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I notice you are unable to respond to this challenge.
How do you know with certainty that you have received the indwelling Holy Spirit?
What is your testimony of being converted (born again)?
Do you lay hands on the sick and pray for them to be healed?
Do you enjoy numerous miracles and much answered prayer?
Do you pray in the Holy Spirit as commanded to?
Do you operated diversities of tongues, interpretation and prophesy in your worship meetings?

I think you deceive yourself.