The Biblical Womanhood of Wonder Woman?

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A surprisingly meaty article about Wonder Woman.

I recently watched Wonder Woman (starring Gal Gadot from the Fast and the Furious franchise), and it has haunted me ever since. Based on all the hype surrounding the film, I expected to feel empowered and inspired as a woman. That, I did.

I never expected, however, to be glued to my seat for over two hours, seeing one biblical truth after another being portrayed flawlessly on screen.
Here are three biblical truths about womanhood that show up prominently in Director Patty Jenkins’s latest film rendition of Wonder Woman.


'Wonder Woman' Might Be the Most Accurate On-Screen Depiction of Biblical Womanhood, And Here's Why
 

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In the Book of Micah in the Bible, whether it's literal or figurative, Micah prophesied the "Daughter of Zion" acquiring superhuman abilities and saving the world once and for all....

....Ridding the World of all wars, redistributing wealth, and establishing world peace as the Amazons were similarly depicted in the film as their mission.

The "Daughter of Zion" is also likely a prophesy about Mary Magdalene. Magdalene came from the word "magdala" or watchtower.
 
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In the Book of Micah in the Bible, whether it's literal or figurative, Micah prophesied the "Daughter of Zion" acquiring superhuman abilities and saving the world once and for all....

....Ridding the World of all wars, redistributing wealth, and establishing world peace as the Amazons were similarly depicted in the film as their mission.

The "Daughter of Zion" is also likely a prophesy about Mary Magdalene. Magdalene came from the word "magdala" or watchtower.
That is interesting I will look into it, thank you.

Edit: I hoped to find some awesome artwork of a warrior Daughter of Zion but I only found this noodle armed weakling so far!


Micah 4:13English Standard Version (ESV)


13 Arise and thresh,
O daughter of Zion,
for I will make your horn iron,
and I will make your hoofs bronze;
you shall beat in pieces many peoples;
and shall devote their gain to the Lord,
their wealth to the Lord of the whole earth.
 
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Awesome picture! Could also be women running **iron** tanks :)

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A surprisingly meaty article about Wonder Woman.

I recently watched Wonder Woman (starring Gal Gadot from the Fast and the Furious franchise), and it has haunted me ever since. Based on all the hype surrounding the film, I expected to feel empowered and inspired as a woman. That, I did.

I never expected, however, to be glued to my seat for over two hours, seeing one biblical truth after another being portrayed flawlessly on screen.
Here are three biblical truths about womanhood that show up prominently in Director Patty Jenkins’s latest film rendition of Wonder Woman.


'Wonder Woman' Might Be the Most Accurate On-Screen Depiction of Biblical Womanhood, And Here's Why
This is an interesting article, I will be sharing it with my daughters.
 
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I would have to disagree. The movie (while I enjoyed it) is littered with references to pagan gods covered over with a veneer of American feminism. I've no problem with female heroes, but I wouldn't call Wonder Woman a Biblical depiction.

Yes, you're partially right, Resha. But, when a movie like Wonder Woman comes along, one which sports a woman of enablement, propriety and a noble heart, it probably does make some women feel good (some men, too) to see a depiction of a woman which imputes the idea that they too have a God-given right to stand beside men in this world and be counted as fellow human beings.

From a Biblical perspective, God intended for women to be men's 'side-kicks' and partners in love (I know you know this already, but it never hurts to say it 'out loud'); but more often than not, we see that in the dusty chapters of the recent and the distance past, women have been just 'kicked to the side'...or sometimes just kicked.

So, Wonder Woman dispells the social disparagement women have often received, not only in the United States but anywhere. And we all get to enjoy the 'picture' of an completely 'enabled' woman, at least for 2 and a half hours, or so. :cool:
 
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But, when a movie like Wonder Woman comes along, one which sports a woman of enablement, propriety and a noble heart, it probably does make some women feel good (some men, too) ...

I'm sure it does. As I said, I enjoyed it.

... they too have a God-given right ...

I'm going to go on at length about your word choice. I doubt you were implying what I'm about to say, but it's a nice opportunity to grab the podium and give a speech.

The idea of a "God-given right" is an American idea, not a Biblical idea. One of the oft-missed lessons of Joseph's imprisonment is that God never promised freedom and prosperity for all at all times. Sometimes taking the place God has appointed for you means suffering.

Women should most definitely be treated with respect, and God does have a plan for them, and the idea that a woman's place is barefoot and pregnant is nothing more than a male fantasy. However, the moment a woman (or a man) begins to demand a certain place they have run off the tracks.

I'm a bit of a cinephile (and I guess this is the forum for that), and I recently saw an interesting article about Jennifer Lawrence. Aside from some disagreements with her choices, I think she has amazing talent as an actress. She also has become the focus of wage disparities. It's not like she's hurting for cash, but as was said in Moneyball, it's not about the money - it's about what the money says - that you're worth it. Until maybe recently, JLaw has definitely been a box office draw, and is therefore "worth it" in that sense.

But the movie Passengers is a curious example - as this article pointed out. In entertainment, there is no objective measure of an actor's value. There is no good way to pay actors "fairly" (whatever that means). Superhero movies are the big draw right now, and males - typically 20s & 30s - are the target audience for that movie style. If that is the target audience, and that audience (unfortunately) views women as trophies, then Hollywood is going to pander (unfortunately) to what that audience wants. The result - if that's going to be Hollywood's business model - is that the smart business decision is to pay Robery Downey Jr. a lot of money to keep playing Iron Man as well as continuing to drape pretty (unknown, and therefore a dime-a-dozen) models from his arm.

So, back to JLaw, who is both very talented and very famous. The movie Passengers centers on the character of Jim Preston (Chris Pratt), not Aurora Lane (JLaw). She doesn't even show up until the second act of the movie, and has much less screen time. "Fair", then, would seem to say Pratt should receive top billing and be paid more. But that's not what happened. JLaw was paid more and received top billing. And that's the way Hollywood works - you pay the actor you think will put more butts in the seats. And I would have made the same guess - that JLaw is the bigger draw.

Interestingly enough, when that news came out, feminists were touting Passengers as a victory. They were claiming it demonstrated equality. Huh? Paying JLaw more than Pratt when she has a smaller role is equality? Then, when the movie started getting slammed as misogynistic (something I completely disagree with), feminists started backtracking and withdrawing their support for the movie. Yeah. A great example of lifting up women.

But Hollywood is not about lifting women up, as the latest revelations about Weinstein make clear. They're also not about being "fair". Hollywood is a business, and at this time one of the worst places to look for Biblical examples.

I'd like to change that, but I don't think Wonder Woman is the place to start.
 
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I'm sure it does. As I said, I enjoyed it.

I'm going to go on at length about your word choice. I doubt you were implying what I'm about to say, but it's a nice opportunity to grab the podium and give a speech.
You're quite right that I was implying another subsection of the overall subject, particularly as it aesthetically appeals to persons (ladies, more specifically) like @Chosen_and_blessed, in this thread discussion. So, if you grab the podium and give a speech, then by all means take it away, my friend! ;)

The idea of a "God-given right" is an American idea, not a Biblical idea. One of the oft-missed lessons of Joseph's imprisonment is that God never promised freedom and prosperity for all at all times. Sometimes taking the place God has appointed for you means suffering.

Women should most definitely be treated with respect, and God does have a plan for them, and the idea that a woman's place is barefoot and pregnant is nothing more than a male fantasy. However, the moment a woman (or a man) begins to demand a certain place they have run off the tracks.

I'm a bit of a cinephile (and I guess this is the forum for that), and I recently saw an interesting article about Jennifer Lawrence. Aside from some disagreements with her choices, I think she has amazing talent as an actress. She also has become the focus of wage disparities. It's not like she's hurting for cash, but as was said in Moneyball, it's not about the money - it's about what the money says - that you're worth it. Until maybe recently, JLaw has definitely been a box office draw, and is therefore "worth it" in that sense.

But the movie Passengers is a curious example - as this article pointed out. In entertainment, there is no objective measure of an actor's value. There is no good way to pay actors "fairly" (whatever that means). Superhero movies are the big draw right now, and males - typically 20s & 30s - are the target audience for that movie style. If that is the target audience, and that audience (unfortunately) views women as trophies, then Hollywood is going to pander (unfortunately) to what that audience wants. The result - if that's going to be Hollywood's business model - is that the smart business decision is to pay Robery Downey Jr. a lot of money to keep playing Iron Man as well as continuing to drape pretty (unknown, and therefore a dime-a-dozen) models from his arm.

So, back to JLaw, who is both very talented and very famous. The movie Passengers centers on the character of Jim Preston (Chris Pratt), not Aurora Lane (JLaw). She doesn't even show up until the second act of the movie, and has much less screen time. "Fair", then, would seem to say Pratt should receive top billing and be paid more. But that's not what happened. JLaw was paid more and received top billing. And that's the way Hollywood works - you pay the actor you think will put more butts in the seats. And I would have made the same guess - that JLaw is the bigger draw.

Interestingly enough, when that news came out, feminists were touting Passengers as a victory. They were claiming it demonstrated equality. Huh? Paying JLaw more than Pratt when she has a smaller role is equality? Then, when the movie started getting slammed as misogynistic (something I completely disagree with), feminists started backtracking and withdrawing their support for the movie. Yeah. A great example of lifting up women.

But Hollywood is not about lifting women up, as the latest revelations about Weinstein make clear. They're also not about being "fair". Hollywood is a business, and at this time one of the worst places to look for Biblical examples.

I'd like to change that, but I don't think Wonder Woman is the place to start.
Yes, I agree with what you've nicely elaborated upon here, Resha. :cool:

However, about that 'rights' thing ............ :smarty:

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What about it? Speak your mind. You have the podium.

While I can agree that Hollywood doesn't really give women (in the U.S.) the status that it often pretends to confer upon them from within the contents of its more recent movies, we might still want to point out that for some people (women even?) the Wonder Woman movie at least offers an envisioning of women's social empowerment that hasn't really been installed into the world as yet, but one which I think Christ intends for women to have.

I also understand very well that the Bible doesn't make a grandstand to a political spectrum equating to the present day assumptions of the Modern Human Rights regime, but I also can't say that God has 'only' presented responsibilities to humanity. There are a certain number of rights and qualities of these rights that are inferred, even IF they aren't specifically articulated in either of the Testaments in a way that comports with the United Nation's Declaration of Universal Human Rights. There are biblical 'rights,' and even persons and nations who have historically claimed to be representatives of the Christian faith have trampled upon these God-given rights.

Anway, something like the Wonder Woman movie is open to social and spiritual scrutiny, from several angles really, some positive, some even spiritually negative, and I think from a Christian viewpoint there are definitely some limits as to how Sci-Fi and Superheroes (like Wonder Woman) can be appropriated. But, in general, the current Wonder Woman movie was done in good taste and with sentiments that aren't far removed from what some Christian intuitions should be about women's place in the world before God.

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While I can agree that Hollywood doesn't really give women (in the U.S.) the status that it often pretends to confer upon them from within the contents of its more recent movies, we might still want to point out that for some people (women even?) the Wonder Woman movie at least offers an envisioning of women's social empowerment that hasn't really been installed into the world as yet, but one which I think Christ intends for women to have.

You do make one good point. If movies ever gave the impression that women can't be strong and can't be leaders, then Wonder Woman is a good example promoting they can be those things.

But that's nothing new. Another good movie with excellent female heroes (and villains) is Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - and that was made 17 years ago. Going farther back, and a movie I would argue is a much better Biblical example, is The Inn of the Sixth Happiness from 1958. It stars Ingrid Bergman (another great actress). She shows considerable strength and leadership, but she's not a superhero. One of my favorite parts of that movie is that she converts a stubborn, traditional, Chinese male to Christianity, and she does it through humble service to him.

Some seem to think that we'll "arrive" at equality - it will be all done and we'll live happily ever after. That's a myth. It will be a continual battle until Christ returns. On the negative side of women's "liberation", you should watch some movies from the 1920s/30s. My dad was a teacher during the 1960s and he lamented the moral decline. I recall my grandmother commenting, "This is nothing. You should have lived during the 20s." The famous liberated actress of the 1920s/30s was Mae West, and it was because of her that the MPAA began to rate movies. I was surprised to see what was in some of those movies. For example, Marlene Dietrich kisses another woman in Morocco (1930), and so does Greta Garbo in Queen Christina (1933).

IMO "equality" is becoming oppressive - a demand for conformance where everybody is supposed to be the same. We're becoming an androgynous society. Why is it that in order to prove their "equality", women feel they have to behave more like men - become superheroes, etc? I think it would be a more powerful expression of femininity to bravely be different from men - to make a movie of the anti-superhero so to speak. I don't know how to do that, and if I tried to express it further I would probably be accused of chauvenism, but that's my opinion.

I still disagree that the Bible has any concept of "rights". Rather, everything God gives us is a gift. Thinking in terms of rights shifts the focus from worship and service to "what can I get?" The Bible certainly supports treating women (and all people) well, and allows for punishing those who are abusive. If we were to develop a service attitude in boys, I think we'd be much farther ahead than teaching them about rights.

It's tough to find the right balance. I don't want to sound as if I'm giving the "boys will be boys" argument. The truth, though, is that they will. Dr. Dobson talks about how if you take away a boy's toy gun and give him a peanut butter sandwich, he'll eat his sandwich into the shape of a gun. I think that's true, but boys need to be taught to control their aggressive impulses rather than glorifying them. Still, we can't ignore what it is that motivates most boys. I like what was said in the book I Kissed Dating Goodbye, that we need to teach boys to be knights who protect women rather than pirates who ravage them. But that seems to be an unpopular attitude.
 
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You do make one good point. If movies ever gave the impression that women can't be strong and can't be leaders, then Wonder Woman is a good example promoting they can be those things.

But that's nothing new. Another good movie with excellent female heroes (and villains) is Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - and that was made 17 years ago. Going farther back, and a movie I would argue is a much better Biblical example, is The Inn of the Sixth Happiness from 1958. It stars Ingrid Bergman (another great actress). She shows considerable strength and leadership, but she's not a superhero. One of my favorite parts of that movie is that she converts a stubborn, traditional, Chinese male to Christianity, and she does it through humble service to him.

Some seem to think that we'll "arrive" at equality - it will be all done and we'll live happily ever after. That's a myth. It will be a continual battle until Christ returns. On the negative side of women's "liberation", you should watch some movies from the 1920s/30s. My dad was a teacher during the 1960s and he lamented the moral decline. I recall my grandmother commenting, "This is nothing. You should have lived during the 20s." The famous liberated actress of the 1920s/30s was Mae West, and it was because of her that the MPAA began to rate movies. I was surprised to see what was in some of those movies. For example, Marlene Dietrich kisses another woman in Morocco (1930), and so does Greta Garbo in Queen Christina (1933).

IMO "equality" is becoming oppressive - a demand for conformance where everybody is supposed to be the same. We're becoming an androgynous society. Why is it that in order to prove their "equality", women feel they have to behave more like men - become superheroes, etc? I think it would be a more powerful expression of femininity to bravely be different from men - to make a movie of the anti-superhero so to speak. I don't know how to do that, and if I tried to express it further I would probably be accused of chauvenism, but that's my opinion.

I still disagree that the Bible has any concept of "rights". Rather, everything God gives us is a gift. Thinking in terms of rights shifts the focus from worship and service to "what can I get?" The Bible certainly supports treating women (and all people) well, and allows for punishing those who are abusive. If we were to develop a service attitude in boys, I think we'd be much farther ahead than teaching them about rights.

It's tough to find the right balance. I don't want to sound as if I'm giving the "boys will be boys" argument. The truth, though, is that they will. Dr. Dobson talks about how if you take away a boy's toy gun and give him a peanut butter sandwich, he'll eat his sandwich into the shape of a gun. I think that's true, but boys need to be taught to control their aggressive impulses rather than glorifying them. Still, we can't ignore what it is that motivates most boys. I like what was said in the book I Kissed Dating Goodbye, that we need to teach boys to be knights who protect women rather than pirates who ravage them. But that seems to be an unpopular attitude.

I just wanted to say that I thought this analysis of yours is very cogent and I'll have to think about a response ... :cool:
 
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You do make one good point. If movies ever gave the impression that women can't be strong and can't be leaders, then Wonder Woman is a good example promoting they can be those things.

But that's nothing new. Another good movie with excellent female heroes (and villains) is Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - and that was made 17 years ago. Going farther back, and a movie I would argue is a much better Biblical example, is The Inn of the Sixth Happiness from 1958. It stars Ingrid Bergman (another great actress). She shows considerable strength and leadership, but she's not a superhero. One of my favorite parts of that movie is that she converts a stubborn, traditional, Chinese male to Christianity, and she does it through humble service to him.
I've seen those movies, and you're right, they are good examples.

Some seem to think that we'll "arrive" at equality - it will be all done and we'll live happily ever after. That's a myth. It will be a continual battle until Christ returns. On the negative side of women's "liberation", you should watch some movies from the 1920s/30s. My dad was a teacher during the 1960s and he lamented the moral decline. I recall my grandmother commenting, "This is nothing. You should have lived during the 20s." The famous liberated actress of the 1920s/30s was Mae West, and it was because of her that the MPAA began to rate movies. I was surprised to see what was in some of those movies. For example, Marlene Dietrich kisses another woman in Morocco (1930), and so does Greta Garbo in Queen Christina (1933).
I'm not one who is under the impression that "equality" will happen all by itself in the way God intends just because people will 'figure it out' ... No, I'm more under the impression that the equality God is really seeking between men and women will only come about as they put God's Word in place in their lives AND seek to understand it correctly. Thus far, I'm not sure Christians through various ages have had the best track record in doing any, or all, of this, and thus women have often suffered from unneccessary (and hypocritical) male dominance and double-standards along the way.

IMO "equality" is becoming oppressive - a demand for conformance where everybody is supposed to be the same. We're becoming an androgynous society. Why is it that in order to prove their "equality", women feel they have to behave more like men - become superheroes, etc? I think it would be a more powerful expression of femininity to bravely be different from men - to make a movie of the anti-superhero so to speak. I don't know how to do that, and if I tried to express it further I would probably be accused of chauvenism, but that's my opinion.
Yes, "equality" as it is given and expressed in modern political parlance is a bit oppressive, but we might want to investigate, say, the difference between 1st Wave Feminism as a Cultural phenomenon versus 2nd to 4th Wave versions of Feminism.

I still disagree that the Bible has any concept of "rights". Rather, everything God gives us is a gift. Thinking in terms of rights shifts the focus from worship and service to "what can I get?" The Bible certainly supports treating women (and all people) well, and allows for punishing those who are abusive. If we were to develop a service attitude in boys, I think we'd be much farther ahead than teaching them about rights.
Well, for starters, there are property "rights." But, then in a not so direct way, there are social rights built into the overall biblical texts, particularly as seen in the fact that God requires His people to care for the widow, the orphan, the stranger (peaceful immigrant), the disenfranchised, the oppressed, the sick, and the poor. When people are in any of these socially prone position, they have the 'right' to let it be known that they need help and it is then the 'responsibility' of the people of God to help as best they can. Being in these positions isn't something wherein people who find themselves there (or women oppressed in variouis social relationships) should have to 'wait' serendipitously for the people of God to wake up and realize...."ya, duh....uh....look over thare. Those there people might need our help. Maybe? Wad'ya all think?" :doh: ...no, God says He sees this...and we better see it, too. And we men better take care of our wives with love and respect (and faithfulness), or our prayers will be hindered, among other things in life. And women have a right to expect men to be on the right track on all of this.

So, there's my Social Activist rant on behalf of women. For the moment. ^_^
It's tough to find the right balance. I don't want to sound as if I'm giving the "boys will be boys" argument. The truth, though, is that they will. Dr. Dobson talks about how if you take away a boy's toy gun and give him a peanut butter sandwich, he'll eat his sandwich into the shape of a gun. I think that's true, but boys need to be taught to control their aggressive impulses rather than glorifying them. Still, we can't ignore what it is that motivates most boys. I like what was said in the book I Kissed Dating Goodbye, that we need to teach boys to be knights who protect women rather than pirates who ravage them. But that seems to be an unpopular attitude.
Men just need to get off of the Hugh Hefner merry-go-round, period.
 
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Thus far, I'm not sure Christians through various ages have had the best track record in doing any, or all, of this, and thus women have often suffered from unneccessary (and hypocritical) male dominance and double-standards along the way.

Christians are often just as sinful as unbelievers, so you are correct, the track record is pretty bad.

And women have had the worse lot, so I'm not trying to minimize that. However, I do think the lot of men gets lost and the sympathy pendulum sometimes swings too far. It's not all sunshine and roses for men. Some men struggle with the "soldier on" stereotype that men are supposed to meet.

And let's not forget that young boys were also victims of the extremes of arranged marriages. They didn't like it either. It could be pretty gruesome. Some traditions castrated those whom they didn't want to procreate. Some just killed them. The Ottoman sultans had something they called "The Cage" where the male heir was locked away to prevent him from causing daddy trouble until he was due to inherit.

If you want some films that deal with that, consider The Lion in Winter or Fiddler on the Roof.

Our current dating paradigm is also really hard on some guys. I happen to know of some guys who would prefer the courting model.

Well, for starters, there are property "rights." But, then in a not so direct way, there are social rights built into the overall biblical texts, particularly as seen in the fact that God requires His people to care for the widow, the orphan, the stranger (peaceful immigrant), the disenfranchised, the oppressed, the sick, and the poor.

I understand your point, but I wouldn't call those rights per the meaning in the contemporary U.S. A right is a legally recognized entity such that you can sue in court to protect it. So, if widows had "rights" it would mean they could sue a church and seize the offering as their due. I don't think that's what God has in mind. So, I would call things like property a "trust" (think Luke 20:9-19) rather than a "right". As that parable shows, God is well aware we are abusing the trust, but I don't think making it a legal right is the answer.

Men just need to get off of the Hugh Hefner merry-go-round, period.

Agreed.
 
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