The worst thing about Calvinism

Hammster · Aug 31, 2017

Jason0047 said:
That is great you believe in a different form of Calvinism. But I am telling you my past experiences with Calvinists before. Calvinism is all tied together in some way. There is an underlying problem to the whole thing.

Pleas answer this question:
Does God have the power to save all people?

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Just shows you ignore what I say and read it through the lens of your presupposition.

But for the sake of Charity, God can save whomever He chooses.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 31, 2017

Hammster said:
The whole section of 2 Peter 3 isn't even talking about salvation.

Context.

So repentance is not dealing with salvation? Where did you get that silly idea from? Oh, and please do not quote Genesis 6 to me. God is not the same as man.

Oh, and in the beginning of 2 Peter 3 (2 Peter 3:3-7) it talks about wicked men in the last days. Then it talks about how God desires all to come to repentance in verse 9. Why else would God send Noah to be a preacher of righteousness to a world that perished in the global flood? What good could it possibly do to them to hear Noah preach if they were all Totally Depraved? It would be like preaching to a wall or a dead corpose according to the Calvinist. That is why Calvinism does not make a lick of sense whenever you read Scripture.

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Bible Highlighter · Aug 31, 2017

Hammster said:
You can't see how anemic this makes God? He is just trying and trying His hardest. Poor poor God.

I prefer a view of God who is sovereign over all. Like the Bible describes.

Again, does God have the power to save all people?

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Hammster · Aug 31, 2017

Jason0047 said:
So repentance is not dealing with salvation? Where did you get that silly idea from? Oh, and please do not quote Genesis 6 to me. God is not the same as man.

Oh, and in the beginning of 2 Peter 3 (2 Peter 3:3-7) it talks about wicked men in the last days. Then it talks about how God desires all to come to repentance in verse 9. Why else would God send Noah to be a preacher of righteousness to a world that perished in the global flood? What good could it possibly do to them to hear Noah preach if they were all Totally Depraved? It would be like preaching to a wall or a dead corpose according to the Calvinist. That is why Calvinism does not make a lick of sense whenever you read Scripture.

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So, were you wanting a response?

Bible Highlighter · Aug 31, 2017

Hammster said:
Just shows you ignore what I say and read it through the lens of your presupposition.

But for the sake of Charity, God can save whomever He chooses.

So the answer to my question would be a... "yes."?
So God has the power to save everyone.
God has the power to do that. Okay.
If so, then we are back at the coast guard parable I came up with.
If God has the power to save everyone and does not do so, then we it would be a violation of morality.
Because if the decision of salvation was soley up to God, and God did not simply choose to save some when He could have saved them, then God is not being loving and good.
God paid the price for sin with what Jesus had done. So justice was satisfied.
Now it is up to the individual to choose whether they want God in their life or not.
If it wasn't this way then God would be responsible for salvation and there would be no Judgment.

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Hammster · Aug 31, 2017

Jason0047 said:
Again, does God have the power to save all people?

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Once again, He can save whoever He chooses.

Hammster · Aug 31, 2017

Jason0047 said:
So the answer to my question would be a... "yes."?
So God has the power to save everyone.
God has the power to do that. Okay.
If so, then we are back at the coast guard parable I came up with.
If God has the power to save everyone and does not do so, then we it would be a violation of morality.
Because if the decision of salvation was soley up to God, and God did not simply choose to save some when He could have saved them, then God is not being loving and good.
God paid the price for sin with what Jesus had done. So justice was satisfied.

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Do you believe God has the power and authority to save every single person?

Bible Highlighter · Aug 31, 2017

Hammster said:
Do you believe God has the power and authority to save every single person?

No, because God did not set up salvation that way. He would have to make us like animals who cannot make moral choices. But this is not possible because God wanted to make man in His own image.

Again, answer my question with a clear... "yes" or a "no."

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Bible Highlighter · Aug 31, 2017

Hammster said:
So, were you wanting a response?

Nowhere in Scripture is the word "repent" associated with God as being the same as the word "repent" associated with man. Unless of course you can prove your case with Scripture or something.

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Hammster · Aug 31, 2017

Jason0047 said:
Nowhere in Scripture is the word "repent" associated with God as being the same as the word "repent" associated with man. Unless of course you can prove your case with Scripture or something.

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Again, are you wanting a response, or are you just going to make attempts to rebut an argument I've not made?

Hammster · Aug 31, 2017

Jason0047 said:
No, because God did not set up salvation that way. He would have to make us like animals who cannot make moral choices. But this is not possible because God wanted to make man in His own image.

Again, answer my question with a clear... "yes" or a "no."

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So you have an anemic view of God. That's really the difference between our views. I believe God does what He pleases. You say you do, but your beliefs say different.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 31, 2017

Hammster said:
You can't see how anemic this makes God? He is just trying and trying His hardest. Poor poor God.

I prefer a view of God who is sovereign over all. Like the Bible describes.

Does God sovereignly decree sin and evil?
Does God want people to sin?
If God desired all people to not sin and be saved, then why doesn't God do that?
Is not God holy?

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Bible Highlighter · Aug 31, 2017

Hammster said:
Again, are you wanting a response, or are you just going to make attempts to rebut an argument I've not made?

Why do you think I am telling you to prove your case with Scripture in regards to the word "repent" if I did not want a response from you? Your not making any sense.

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Bible Highlighter · Aug 31, 2017

Hammster said:
So you have an anemic view of God. That's really the difference between our views. I believe God does what He pleases. You say you do, but your beliefs say different.

What is the anemic view of God?
Yes, I want a response to this question.
So you do not need to ask such a question again.
Otherwise I would not be talking with you now.

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Hammster · Aug 31, 2017

Jason0047 said:
Does God sovereignly decree sin and evil?
Does God want people to sin?
If God desired all people to not sin and be saved, then why doesn't God do that?
Is not God holy?

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Think about this. What single event brought God the most glory? The cross. Who ordained it to happen? God. Could we have the cross without sin? No.

Hammster · Aug 31, 2017

Jason0047 said:
Why do you think I am telling you to prove your case with Scripture in regards to the word "repent" if I did not want a response from you? Your not making any sense.

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Well, you keepn esponding as if I've said something.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 31, 2017

Hammster said:
Again, are you wanting a response, or are you just going to make attempts to rebut an argument I've not made?

Well, if you are thinking the chapter is not dealing with salvation then you are assuming that repentance is not talking about salvation in 2 Peter 3:9, right?

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Bible Highlighter · Aug 31, 2017

Hammster said:
Well, you keepn esponding as if I've said something.

You did say something. You said 2 Peter 3 is not talking about salvation. I said the word "repentance" in 2 Peter 3:9 makes it clear that it is talking about salvation. I mentioned Genesis 6 just in the event you want to erroneously point out how God repents as being the same as our repentance.

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Hammster · Aug 31, 2017

Jason0047 said:
What is the anemic view of God?
Yes, I want a response to this question.
So you do not need to ask such a question again.
Otherwise I would not be talking with you now.

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Anemic

lacking power, vigor, vitality, or colorfulness; listless;

You have God just sitting back and hoping folks will like Him. He can't actually do any saving unless almighty man gives Him permission.

That's what I mean. So you don't have to ask again.

Hammster · Aug 31, 2017

Jason0047 said:
Well, if you are thinking the chapter is not dealing with salvation then you are assuming that repentance is not talking about salvation in 2 Peter 3:9, right?

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I didn't say that.

The worst thing about Calvinism

Psalm 144:1

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Psalm 144:1

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Psalm 144:1

Psalm 144:1

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Psalm 144:1

Psalm 144:1

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Psalm 144:1

Psalm 144:1

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Psalm 144:1

Psalm 144:1

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