1 John 2:27.

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Proverbs 12:15 ESV / 471 helpful votes
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.

Proverbs 11:14 ESV / 333 helpful votes
Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety.

Proverbs 19:20-21 ESV / 281 helpful votes
Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future. Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.

Proverbs 15:22 ESV / 254 helpful votes
Without counsel plans fail, but with many advisers they succeed.

Proverbs 24:6 ESV / 61 helpful votes
For by wise guidance you can wage your war, and in abundance of counselors there is victory.

Proverbs 13:10 ESV / 60 helpful votes
By insolence comes nothing but strife, but with those who take advice is wisdom.

Titus 2:3-5 ESV / 14 helpful votes
Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.

Proverbs 19:20 ESV / 12 helpful votes
Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future.

Romans 12
Humble Service in the Body of Christ
3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.4For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your6 Or the faith; 7if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead,8 Or to provide for others do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

1 Cor 12:21
21The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!”

Psalm 32:8 ESV / 179 helpful votes
I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will counsel you with my eye upon you.

Matthew 23:8
"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Ephesians 4
3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.8This is why ita says:

“When he ascended on high,

he took many captives

and gave gifts to his people.”b

9(What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regionsc ? 10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

Instructions for Christian Living

17So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.

20That, however, is not the way of life you learned 21when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

Hebrews 5:12
In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

Galatians 6:6
One who is taught the word must share all good things with the one who teaches.

Matthew 28
18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
 
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I'm not saying rely fully on a preacher we have to study to show ourselves approved but I'm sure we've all ran into that verse that just stomps up
acts 8:29-31
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Romans 10:14
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
I think we need all the aspects we need each other to keep ourselves in the right with God
Thank you for the response.
 
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The vast majority of Christians throughout history didn't have access to the Scriptures. And if they did, they wouldn't have been able to read them. Most were also illiterate up until the 20th century.
Yes, and we do have access to scriptures.
 
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Absolutely! All I was doing was pointing out the pitfalls and dangers of receiving teaching from inner voices that purport to be the Holy Spirit without having the checks and balances that are within a sound a supportive church fellowship where there are experience, mature, godly men to confirm that what you are receiving is sound teaching. Although I am a senior elder in my church I appreciate having three mature godly men around me to keep me on the straight and narrow. This precisely why the Early Church was managed by a team of elders and for around 200 years never had a dominant leader over the rest. Paul and Barnabas are the examples to follow. At Antioch they were part of a team of pastors, teachers, and prophets, and it was not until the Holy Spirit said to separate them for the ministry that He had for them. I believe that it came through the prophetic word from the group. In another place where a decision was made the reference in the book of Acts said, "It seem right by the Holy Spirit and us..." etc. This meant that there was a prompting from the Holy Spirit, confirmed by the team of elders who were waiting on God for the right direction. It is also interesting that Jesus told His disciples that there was more to teach them and that the Holy Spirit who was to come was going to do that teaching, but it was Paul, Peter, John and Jude who were anointed to give the teaching that made up the bulk of New Testament doctrine. Their teaching became Holy Scripture, while the teaching of many others at the time, however sound, did not qualify. So what tells me is that it is the anointing of the Holy Spirit that provides the teaching, but in many cases He anoints men to teach us. Jesse Penn Lewis, who was closely involved in the Welsh Revival, in her book, "War on the Saints" said that nine out of every impressions and inner voices come from the world, flesh or the devil, so we have to apply any of these to stringent testing. John taught that we need to test every spirit because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

So it is quite true that the Holy Spirit can clarify and give us fresh insight into the way God works, and it happens to me too, but I have trusted men whom I can bounce my new discoveries off just to make sure that I am on the right track. Just to give an example, I wrote a book on spiritual abuse in the churches, which I felt was the leading of the Holy Spirit to address the problems and make people aware of what was going on so they cold avoid the stress and heartache of being spiritually bullied. I have a friend in Australia who read my text and gave me much advice about how to make it more acceptable to readers. That improved my book no end. But then I felt to put it on the back burner. After six months I got the verse from Philippians about thinking on things good and praiseworthy. My book seemed not to be consistent with that because it deals with a darkness in the churches - something which Satan is doing. Also I learned that the true prophetic deals with what God has in mind for us, and not what Satan is doing in the world. So, I decided to hold off publishing it until I could re-edit the book to turn it into a text that shows what God is doing to overcome spiritual abuse in the church instead of concentrating on the spiritual abuse itself. Then I got an inner prompting to write a book on how I came to hear the voice of God and how He has continued to speak to me since 1969 when He first revealed Himself to me. When I finish that, I will submit the text to a trusted brother who has given excellent teaching on the voice of God, so that he can confirm or correct what I have written. I think it is good to do that because the confirmation of the inner prompting, coupled in harmony with God's written Word, plus the sense of peace within me, and circumstances (ie: being able to complete the book) and evaluation by a trusted brother in Christ, will come to ensure that what I have written is prompted by the Holy Ghost anointing. Then I can be sure that I will be publishing sound teaching on the voice of God as experienced by me over the last 48 years.

So, I believe that the anointing really does teach us and it works through the different components as I have described. I think that the phrase "you don't need for any man to teach you" is there to enable a believer to avoid authoritarian teaching by men who want exercise control and acts as priests between the believer and the Holy Spirit. The men I am talking about are trusted men who are there to confirm what the Holy Spirit has already taught us. It is a safety net to keep us from error.
Thank you Oscarr
 
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Our earthly anointing through the HS is intended for interdependence in a body of believers not extraction.
How can the HS create so many different denominations? YOu tell me i need a denomination but which one? I think that simplicity is my path, not a denomination.
 
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How can the HS create so many different denominations? YOu tell me i need a denomination but which one? I think that simplicity is my path, not a denomination.

Perhaps we use the wrong criteria to select a denomination?

Forgive me...
 
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Basically John is saying: why are you letting these charlatans teach you when you already have the truth of the Holy Spirit and you should be teaching them.
Exactly. Why would i let modern day charlatans teach me when i have the anointing? Can i not read scripture and let the spirit lead me, instead of choosing between thousands of denominations?
 
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You don't need teacher , but you should study yourself . 2 Timothy 2:15

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

word - Bible
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Thank you, i agree.
 
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I choose no denomination.

Perhaps that's best for where you are at the moment. I search for the Church that existed before there were such things. Truly Apostolic Christianity is how Christ desires that I worship.

Forgive me...
 
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Perhaps that's best for where you are at the moment. I search for the Church that existed before there were such things. Truly Apostolic Christianity is how Christ desires that I worship.

Forgive me...
I have the Lords spirit. I need no denomination or teacher. I do need fellowship however.
 
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I have the Lords spirit. I need no denomination or teacher. I do need fellowship however.

Everyone breathing has the Lord's spirit. Of course you are correct about needing fellowship. It's our very basic need. To be together. If the Apostolic services accomplish nothing else, they do bring people together. That is part of their primary function.

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Everyone breathing has the Lord's spirit. Of course you are correct about needing fellowship. It's our very basic need. To be together. If the Apostolic services accomplish nothing else, they do bring people together. That is part of their primary function.

Forgive me...
Not every thing breathing follows the HS teacher. Are you saying unbelievers have Gods Spirit?
 
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Not every thing breathing follows the HS teacher. Are you saying unbelievers have Gods Spirit?

Mankind as a whole carries the image of God (Gen 1). Follows? No, I believe you are correct, they don't follow.
Unbelievers are certainly moved by The Holy Spirit all the time. How they respond is up to them.

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Mankind as a whole carries the image of God (Gen 1). Follows? No, I believe you are correct, they don't follow.
Unbelievers are certainly moved by The Holy Spirit all the time. How they respond is up to them.

Forgive me...
Thanks.
 
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When you see the Anaphora prayers what do you think? Or perhaps you have not seen them.

Basically I'm asking; Do you think we should be using the same worship style the Apostles said the Lord taught them?

Perhaps you are a member who thinks it better to go with just a scholastic approach to spiritual things... you know, studying the word and leaving out the services all together.

Forgive me...
 
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When you see the Anaphora prayers what do you think? Or perhaps you have not seen them.

Basically I'm asking; Do you think we should be using the same worship style the Apostles said the Lord taught them?

Perhaps you are a member who thinks it better to go with just a scholastic approach to spiritual things... you know, studying the word and leaving out the services all together.

Forgive me...
Im not sure what the Anaphora prayers are. I dont believe that the traditions we have today were all started by the apostles. Praying to saints for example, i dont believe the NT writers (apostles) Prayed to saints. As far as Church services go, i believe in fellowship, but i have a hard time joining a Church, both because i have social anxiety issues, and because i dont follow denominations.
 
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How can the HS create so many different denominations? YOu tell me i need a denomination but which one? I think that simplicity is my path, not a denomination.

humanity is the imperfect element in the equation, even in the NT we see sects breaking off but the HS does not create disunity.
 
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Why do we need teachers if we have the anointing?

How do we get this anointing?


1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
In context the verse is referring to spiritual discernment, that is, being able to recognize false prophets and the anti-christ spirit. As a general statement, our ultimate teacher is God, but the means of teaching is a multitude of resources, including humans.
 
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