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Baruch HaShem! And Glory to God!

Hello and welcome! I'm sure that you are in good hands here and will meet many godly men and women to extend the right hand of fellowship, and who can assist you in finding your place in the Mystical Body of Christ, but have you considered reading C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity as a starting point? From there the relationships you establish with fellow believers will be able to direct you to your church home.
 
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I actually have a friend who's a JW and he's never said anything about Jesus and Michael being the same.
Have you asked him about it? It would be very easy--and it's definitely done--for JWs to talk all about Jesus and never tread upon the idea that he is believed to be a created being, not one of the persons of the eternal Holy Trinity and/or anything about Michael.

It's routinely covered up by JWs who come to the door with literature and an invitation to talk religion, so I can easily understand it not coming up in conversation with a friend.
 
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Have you asked him about it? It would be very easy--and it's definitely done--for JWs to talk all about Jesus and never tread upon the idea that he is believed to be a created being, not one of the persons of the eternal Holy Trinity and/or anything about Michael.

It's routinely covered up by JWs who come to the door with literature and an invitation to talk religion, so I can easily understand it not coming up in conversation with a friend.


I haven't got to talk to him in a while, but next time I see him I'll ask! :)

Also we actually talk about religion a lot (Actually it's what I mainly talk to him about, he helps work on our house sometimes). I know that he doesn't believe in the Trinity and thinks Jesus was a created being, I just hadn't asked about the Michael thing.
 
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Curious, isn't JW a subset of Christianity? What exactly had you change your mind?

Hello Cd,

If someone ever asked me if I was a Christian I would say yes, as that is what I believed. That a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Christ. However if you look at the history of Jehovahs witnesses as I have you will find that it is not based on truth. The founder Charles Taze Russell was a freemason and had seventh day adventist links thats where the WT has this obsession with dates for example 1914. Infact Russell was also a pyramidologist and in his book The Divine plan of the Ages said that God had placed the Pyramids in Egypt, and he worked out the date 1914 from the measurements of the pyramids! Bizarre yes but also true. If Jesus arrived in 1914 and looked upon the earth and inspected the religions and chose the Bible students to be his faithful and discreet slave, then why did they have so many beliefs that were not accurate with the Bible. If you are being led by Gods spirit, then you should be accurate in your works, should you not? The Governing Body will say that it is a Spirit led organisation, but it also says that is is neither inspired nor infallible and can err in doctrinal matters. So how can you put faith in anything they say if they can make mistakes. Does God and his spirit make mistakes. Hardly!

The other thing that troubled me about Jehovahs witnesses is the practice of disfellowshipping a person who has done some wrongdoing. Now suppose you have a son or daughter (who is living outside the family home) and they are disfellowshipped, you as parents are not to contact your own child, only in the case of an emergency. Not even e-mails!. This is not a Christian practice and neither is it loving and kind. It is not the way Jesus treated people and nor is it the way we should treat people.

I think someone mentioned the NWT, now this was a really shocker to me when doing my research, I always held the NWT in such high regard, after all it is the "Best translation of the Bible" :) pffft. However the reality is far different in that the NWT has basically been made to fit into the theology of the Jehovahs Witness. This was a Bible I defended. Ill give you some examples:

2 Peter 1:1 in the New World Translation, “… by the righteousness of our God and the Savior Jesus Christ.” in all other Bible translations it accurately says“… of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.”

Heb 1:8" Thy Throne O God" the NWT says "God is your throne"

Colossians 1:15-20 the NWT inserts the word "other"

Notice: He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist, and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things; because God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all other things.

The NWT ads five words that are not present in the Greek text, now interestingly enough in my older version of the NWT the word [Other] is in brackets like so, which tells the reader that this word has been added. Now in the new revised edition of 2013, the brackets have been taken out to imply to the reader that this was part of the original text. Rather misleading isnt it. Also in the Kingdom interlinear which JW have access to it shows that the word Other is not in the Greek. They do this to imply that Christ himself is not the Creator.

Jesus said I am the way and the truth and the life, so truth is Jesus and knowing accurately who he is. If the JW alter the Bible and try and disguise who Jesus is, then how can anyone know when reading their translation. They the Watchtower and not Christians but a cult.
 
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I haven't got to talk to him in a while, but next time I see him I'll ask! :)

Also we actually talk about religion a lot (Actually it's what I mainly talk to him about, he helps work on our house sometimes). I know that he doesn't believe in the Trinity and thinks Jesus was a created being, I just hadn't asked about the Michael thing.

Is Jesus Really Michael the Archangel?
 
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A big hello to everyone on this forum, so nice to be here. As I mentioned in my thread I recently left the JW just 3 months ago. I have been a witness for over 13 years and was 100% convinced that it was the truth. Now I am 100% convinced that it a lie and a dangerous cult. I cannot believe the lies that were fed to me for so long. On my awakening my main concern was where do I go from here, as everything I had known, my entire faith was blown to pieces. I did however still believe in God, and wanted to know him better. I have discovered that Jesus is the way, and he is the truth. The truth is not some organisation of men making rules in Brooklyn, but the truth is Jesus. It is still early days for me, and I have had to contend with alot of difficult doctrines like the Trinity, however I really feel that the Bible is being revealed to me, that the Holy Spirit is helping me to grasp the realities of who Jesus is. Everything makes sense to me now and I feel a huge weight has been taken off my shoulders. It is a wonderful feeling. Just wanted to say hello :)

I think I need to figure out how to change my religion on my profile.

Welcome to CF, Truth76! I hope we can encourage you to keep on moving on in the truth of Christ! :)

Peace,
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If someone ever asked me if I was a Christian I would say yes, as that is what I believed. That a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Christ. However if you look at the history of Jehovahs witnesses as I have you will find that it is not based on truth. The founder Charles Taze Russell was a freemason and had seventh day adventist links thats where the WT has this obsession with dates for example 1914. Infact Russell was also a pyramidologist....
Charles Taze Russell was not a Freemason. I hope that some of the rest of your report was true, "Truth76."
 
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Charles Taze Russell was not a Freemason. I hope that some of the rest of your report was true, "Truth76."

I hadnt researched much into this particular subject to be honest, the part about him being a freemason. I was heard that he was but reading from this: Evidence Charles Taze Russell was not a Freemason. It appears he was not. He used alot of freemason symbology in his books.

I would rather be wrong about all the other things to be honest. Unfortunately they are not. :-(. My main concerns for leaving was the false prophecies, the shunning, the Australian Royal Commission into child sexual abuse and the 2 witness rule. These things I knew to be true because I was in the organization so I know what they said and I had publications to back it up. All the other things I discovered after I decided I no longer believed this was the truth.
 
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I hadnt researched much into this particular subject to be honest, the part about him being a freemason. I was heard that he was but reading from this: Evidence Charles Taze Russell was not a Freemason. It appears he was not. He used alot of freemason symbology in his books.

I would rather be wrong about all the other things to be honest. Unfortunately they are not. :-(. My main concerns for leaving was the false prophecies, the shunning, the Australian Royal Commission into child sexual abuse and the 2 witness rule. These things I knew to be true because I was in the organization so I know what they said and I had publications to back it up. All the other things I discovered after I decided I no longer believed this was the truth.

Thanks. I think the theory about him being a Mason mainly derived from his use of various symbols such as the Pyramids and an emblem that's on the front of a monument that was raised to him some time after his death. Both the Pyramids and the monument were assumed by some people to be Masonic but neither actually is. I maybe should do some investigating into the symbols you say he used in his books to see if any were actually borrowed from Masonry (which was commonly done by all sorts of people in that era) or if they just look like they might have been.
 
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Hello Cd,

The other thing that troubled me about Jehovahs witnesses is the practice of disfellowshipping a person who has done some wrongdoing. Now suppose you have a son or daughter (who is living outside the family home) and they are disfellowshipped, you as parents are not to contact your own child, only in the case of an emergency. Not even e-mails!. This is not a Christian practice and neither is it loving and kind. It is not the way Jesus treated people and nor is it the way we should treat people.

I'm curious though, is this not the same as -or at least very similar to- the Roman Catholic sentence of Excommunication placed on those judged guilty and unrepentant about serious mortal sin which denies access to the Sacraments (except for Confession)? And did not the early church likewise have such a discipline for notorious post-baptismal sinners? Or am I missing something here? Is disfellowshipping a permanent judgement on the person, or is there a process for repentance and readmission?
 
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Thanks. I think the theory about him being a Mason mainly derived from his use of various symbols such as the Pyramids and an emblem that's on the front of a monument that was raised to him some time after his death. Both the Pyramids and the monument were assumed by some people to be Masonic but neither actually is. I maybe should do some investigating into the symbols you say he used in his books to see if any were actually borrowed from Masonry (which was commonly done by all sorts of people in that era) or if they just look like they might have been.[/QUOTEJ
Just found this, I will read it when I have more time: The Divine Plan of the Ages and the Great Pyramid : Charles Taze Russell : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
 
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I'm curious though, is this not the same as -or at least very similar to- the Roman Catholic sentence of Excommunication placed on those judged guilty and unrepentant about serious mortal sin which denies access to the Sacraments (except for Confession)? And did not the early church likewise have such a discipline for notorious post-baptismal sinners? Or am I missing something here? Is disfellowshipping a permanent judgement on the person, or is there a process for repentance and readmission?
It is not a permanent judgment, but a judgment nonetheless. People are disfellowshipped for various reasons, from smoking to asking questions about JW doctrine. Its interesting you mentioned the Catholic Church, take a look at this article from a 1947 Awake which is a magazine published by the Watchtower Society. In light of this it is very hypocritical. 1947 Awake Says Excommunication is Unbiblical and Pagan!.

I am not sure how ex communication works within the Catholic Church, if one is excommunicated can family members associate with that person? can they say hello to them? It is a way to build fear for those that want to leave but dont becuase they do not want to be shunned by their entire family. If you are born into the Jehovahs witneses, bear in mind that your family,friends,associates are all Jehovahs witnesses, which means that when a person is disfellowshipped they are alone without any support network.

For more information you can read this article: Jehovah's Witnesses, disfellowshipping and shunning, including family members
 
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I am not sure how ex communication works within the Catholic Church, if one is excommunicated can family members associate with that person? can they say hello to them? It is a way to build fear for those that want to leave but dont becuase they do not want to be shunned by their entire family.
Well i fears we're descending down a rabbit hole with this but. ... as to non-association with excommunicated, the negative social consequences are not as enforceable now as in prior days. But in those prior days, yes excommunication was a socially shunning experience, one that placed the excommunicant outside the social protections afforded by the community.

It was also the case that the church might excommunicate a notorious sinner for moral offenses that were also capital crimes for the state/kingdom , who would then be handed over to the civil authorities for trial and punishment.

Now, just as a person could be excommunicated, there was also a procedure called an Interdict that applies to a geographic region (often because of moral offenses of the local Lord), which meant that no sacraments at all could be performed in that area (like a diocese, or feudal holding) with perhaps the exception of Confession or baptism in extremis.

The Church has at times been less than understanding with her wayward sons and daughters, to our shame.

But at any rate, and once again, welcome to the family from another relative newcomer to the site
 
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I like to point JW's to

1 Timothy 3:16

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
 
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