The 4th Commandment had to go, and it did.

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So teach the law. Just do not try and teach it to the righteous. Paul says the law is not for the righteous in I Tim 1:9. I really do not care what my position if any is in heaven and even on earth for that matter. Vanity is sin. Since it is obvious that Jesus wanted people to only teach the law, why did He commission Paul to do exactly that? Paul's letters to the church and disciples do exactly that. Does Paul teach others to live a wicked lifestyle? No! Do I? No!

Until heaven and earth pass away has a qualifier you seem to miss - until all is fulfilled. That is made clear in Lk 24:44 allowing jots and tittles of the law you talk about to pass. Jeremiah said it would and Jesus testified it in fact had not to mention at least both Gospels of John and Luke.

Show where Jesus said no longer teach and keep the law, no problem -

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Jn 15Are you calling willful sin not keeping the 4th commandment? Wow especially since you are guilty. Read it, see and weep. Oh never mind, you will not understand what is written there.According to my Bible Jeremiah said we would be and the NT has quite few verses saying we are free from the law issued at Sinai. What you are saying is we are not free to sin. I can agree with that. NTL the NC is not based on performance of the recipient. Salvation is a free gift. Required performance is work and rewarded with death. Rom 6:23 You should note that eternal life is through Jesus, not the law or the law and Jesus.Agreed. the law is a single indivisible unit as NT Jews wrote.Attendance and donating shows one supports and endorses what they teach.

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Biblical Definition for rightousness: Deuteronomy 6:25 then it will be rightousness to us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He has commanded us.

Isaiah 51:7 Listen to Me, you who know rightousness, you people in whose heart is My law: Do not fear the reproach of men, Nor be afraid of thier insults.

God never wanted people to believe it was by thier own rightousness I will agree with that
Deuteronomy 9:4 “Do not think in your heart, after the Lord your God has cast them out before you, saying, ‘Because of my righteousness the Lord has brought me in to possess this land’; but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is driving them out from before you. 5 It is not because of your righteousness or the uprightness of your heart that you go in to possess their land, but because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord your God drives them out from before you, and that He may fulfill the word which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 6 Therefore understand that the Lord your God is not giving you this good land to possess because of your righteousness, for you are a stiff-necked people.

Wickedness is lawlessness depending on which translation you use NkJV uses lawlessness. If you are rebellious against God's law by definition you are lawless and sin is lawlessness. God never devided up His law into 3 separate categories and said these ones you keep and these you do not keep.

You quote John 15:10 to prove your point but it does not prove your point it is the opposite.
9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Father God had taught Jesus and He teaches His deciples they are the same teaching not contrary. Yeshua is the living word of God, He is the Law in John you have to understand that when you read John because that is how John(Yokanon) understood it.

Here is the prophecies
Isaiah 2:3
Many people shall come and say, “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Michah 4:2

Many nations shall come and say, “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths.” For out of Zion the law shall go forth, And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

You quote Luke 24:44 as if that does away with the law

44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

Not sure where He said I slice the law into 3 parts civil, ceremonial and moral. Just keep the moral ones. Fullfill does not mean end, distroyed abolish.

Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I know you have been shown the above passage before. He is making good and sure He is not misunderstood in this passage that He has NOT COME to ABOLISH the LAW. I just do not understand how you can make fullfilled mean abolish after reading this verse.

I agree salvation is a free gift, what do you do once you are saved? Do you continue in lawlessness or walk in newness of life?
 
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