Is water Baptism essential for salvation?

JLB777 said:

He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:16

There are three Baptisms.

Which Baptism is required for Salvation?

• Baptized into Christ.
• Baptized in water.
• Baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Paul teaches the three Baptisms from the Old Testament Types.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2

• baptized into Moses - into Christ
• in the cloud - in the Holy Spirit
  
• and in the sea - in water

Man Baptizes us in water.
The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Christ
Jesus Christ Baptizes us with the Holy Spirit.

I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Mark 1:8

When we repent and are born again, we are Baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit.

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13




JLB

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By the time Paul penned His Ephesian epistle, there is now ONE baptism that is in effect today, Ephesians 4:4-5.

That one baptism must be water baptism, for baptism is to be understood as a literal immersion, submersion in water in Eph 4:5.

Christ's baptism of the great commission is that ONE baptism.

Christ's Baptism
disciples (humans) commissioned to water baptize
commanded
saves/remits sins
lasts till the end of time
is how disciples are made

Baptism with the Holy Ghost
Only administered by God and not by the hands of humans
never commanded to anyone, but was promised to the Apostles Acts 1:1-5
does not save/remit sins
was a prophecy of Joel (Joel 2:28) that was fulfilled, ceased, ended back in the 1st century
is not how a disciple is made

-57 said:

Should we start with John 6:65? Then Jesus said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him."

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John 6:44-45 explains how God draws men, by His word when men have been "taught" "heard" and "learned" then men come to Christ of their own volition.

In the context of verse 65, verse 64 shows that some men rejected the word of God that draws men to Christ per verse 45. Therefore it is not 'granted' to them come to Christ, be of Christ, or to have everlasting life.

God's 'granting' therefore is not baseless and arbitrary making Him a respecter of persons. God's granting is conditional and based upon those that are drawn and continued to be drawn by the word. These will be the ones granted to come to Christ.


You still have not answered if one can remain impenitent yet still be saved.

TheSeabass said:

My point was and is, the bible is TRUTH.

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I think all of us here agree that it is.

Truth by its very nature does not contradict itself. If all were going by 'the truth' of God then all would be thinking just alike on the issue of salvation.

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No. While truth does not contradict itself, the Bible contains apparent contradictions and we must understand why what seems to be in conflict actually is not. That is why people caution against cherry-picking scripture, meaning that only the verses that seem to support our POVs get mentioned and those that do not are just ignored.

-57 said:

This indicates you really don't understand repentance.

According to you're theology...you will go to hell because you haven't repented...as you still sin.

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If man is not able to repent but can only repent if God gives him the ability, then it would be useless, illogical to command men to repent when man cannot possibly do so of himself.

1 John 1:6-10 I continue to "walk in the light" as a Christian which includes a continual repentance of sins whereby then Christ's blood continues to wash away all sins.

PropheticTimes said:

I see, so on Judgment Day when I approach the Father, who knows me quite well, He will say, "You did not let someone dunk you in water? Be gone!" Or perhaps you will approach Him (and admittedly I do not know your personal walk with Him, simply that you know Scripture) and He will say to you, "I have it marked here that you were dunked in water. Excellent! However, there is this "do not judge" command you seem to not have followed as well as I would have liked...Be gone!"

Jesus spoke of the circumcision of the heart, of baptism in the Spirit, of personal relationship. I have these. You do not know me or anyone else you are, in essence, condemning to hell for not having a water baptism. You may have knowledge, Mr Bass, but you know nothing of God's grace, mercy or understanding. You might want to humble yourself a bit and trade in some head knowledge for some heart knowledge.

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God required water baptism, God made water baptism the means by which He saves and not faith only.

Someone made early in this post all that water baptism does:



How can one make the credible claim they can be sved while NOT being baptized?
Can one be saved WITHOUT entering the kingdom, WITHOUT being forgiven of sins WITHOUT putting on Christ? Not possible at all and water baptism is where/when this happens and not at faith only.

You really do need to quit listening to the various "Pastors" and really start studying God's word and learn how God's grace is CONDITIONAL upon man's obedience to God's will in believing repenting confessing and submitting to baptism.

-57 said:

One baptism - This does not affirm that there is one mode of baptism, but it refers to "the thing itself." They are all baptized in the name of the same Father, Saviour, Sanctifier.
ref Barnes....read a few of the other commentators.

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The Greek word baptizo means an immersion not a sprinkling..words have meaning.

TheSeabass said:

God required water baptism, God made water baptism the means by which He saves and not faith only.

Someone made early in this post all that water baptism does:

How can one make the credible claim they can be sved while NOT being baptized?
Can one be saved WITHOUT entering the kingdom, WITHOUT being forgiven of sins WITHOUT putting on Christ? Not possible at all and water baptism is where/when this happens and not at faith only.

You really do need to quit listening to the various "Pastors" and really start studying God's word and learn how God's grace is CONDITIONAL upon man's obedience to God's will in believing repenting confessing and submitting to baptism.

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You know nothing about me, sir. You are making assumptions about me that are nowhere near the truth.

I HAVE been baptized, by the Spirit and fire. Since I am confident of my salvation, having seen Jesus with my own eyes on more than one occasion, speaking with Him daily, you can believe what you wish and I will continue hand in hand with my Lord

Oh, and by the way, I have studied God's Word for decades. It appears that your judgmental finger is getting in the way again, might want to have that looked at.

Albion said:

I think all of us here agree that it is.

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I don't think so for many, many people think men can belong to all the various denominations with their contradicting doctrines yet men within all those denominations can be saved

Albion said:

No. While truth does not contradict itself, the Bible contains apparent contradictions and we must understand why what seems to be in conflict actually is not. That is why people caution against cherry-picking scripture, meaning that only the verses that seem to support our POVs get mentioned and those that do not are just ignored.

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Cherry picking verses is what is going on, one here is cherry picking verses that mention "believing" but purposefully ignoring the ones that mention repentance confession and baptism. He is yet to say if an impenitent person will be saved or not.

Christ required belief, repentance confession and baptism to be saved. Then to cherry pick out verses that only mentions "believing" and then claim baptism is not necessary is illogical and contradicting to its core.

Any serious bible student should know that is it very very rare that one verse exhausts all the bible has to say about a subject. There is no way one can know all there is to know to be initially saved just looking at the three verses given in the OP (Jn 3:16; Acts 2:21; Romans 10:13) when there are dozen upon dozen of verses that deal with the subject of salvation. Just looking at the 3 verses in the OP one would not ever know about grace or the blood of Christ and what role that play in man's salvation.

-57 said:

You do know the word translated as "draw" here actually means "dragged"?

You can see how the word 1670 is used.
GRK: πέμψας με ἑλκύσῃ αὐτόν κἀγὼ
NAS: who sent Me draws him; and I will raise
KJV: hath sent me draw him: and
INT: having sent me draws him and I

John 12:32 V-FIA-1S
GRK: γῆς πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν
NAS: up from the earth, will draw all men
KJV: the earth, will draw all
INT: earth all will draw to myself

John 18:10 V-AIA-3S
GRK: ἔχων μάχαιραν εἵλκυσεν αὐτὴν καὶ
NAS: a sword, drew it and struck
KJV: having a sword drew it, and
INT: having a sword drew it and

John 21:6 V-ANA
GRK: οὐκέτι αὐτὸ ἑλκύσαι ἴσχυον ἀπὸ
NAS: they were not able to haul it in because
KJV: not able to draw it for
INT: no longer it to haul in were they able from

John 21:11 V-AIA-3S
GRK: Πέτρος καὶ εἵλκυσεν τὸ δίκτυον
NAS: went up and drew the net
KJV: went up, and drew the net to
INT: Peter and drew the net

Acts 16:19 V-AIA-3P
GRK: τὸν Σίλαν εἵλκυσαν εἰς τὴν
NAS: and Silas and dragged them into the market place
KJV: Silas, and drew [them] into
INT: Silas they dragged [them] into the

Acts 21:30 V-IIA-3P
GRK: τοῦ Παύλου εἷλκον αὐτὸν ἔξω
NAS: of Paul they dragged him out of the temple,
KJV: they took Paul, and drew him out of
INT: of Paul they drew him outside

James 2:6 V-PIA-3P
GRK: καὶ αὐτοὶ ἕλκουσιν ὑμᾶς εἰς
NAS: you and personally drag you into court?
INT: and [not] they do drag you before

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Nowhere in John 6:44-35 or 64-65 does it say God does drawing separate and part from the word. So there is no magical, miraculous, mystical drawing done by God on men apart from the word.

And in John 6:45 the result of the drawing by the word is that men come to Christ of their own volition and not dragged against their will to Christ.

Further reading:
Does "draw" means God pulls people in with an irresistible force?

-57 said:

You didn't reply to what I had originally said....You still sin which means you haven't really repented.
Your theology will send you to hell.

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Yes, I sin but I conditionally repent of those sins (walk in the light) as God requires of the Christian, 1 John 1:7. And God forgives those that obediently repent.

You have yet to say if the impenitent will be saved anyway?

-57 said:

That's a good place to stop in your post....Show me where that water means water baptism.
If you can't then you must dismiss it as part of your proof.

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Jesus mentions a birth of "water and the Spirit", that on its own doesn't get us to baptism; but taking the entire witness of the New Testament--not to mention the universal consensus of the ancient Church--it does get us there. Because the only place where we constantly encounter water and Spirit occurring simultaneously is Baptism.

-CryptoLutheran