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You can be explicit without bragging about assault. And when a guy does brag about such a thing and several women independent of each other come forth and confirm the details, then I'd say that guy has a problem - and vulgarity is the least of it.

If they brag about their sexual assault of someone, then that is equally abhorrent.
And, it's not "sexual assault" if "they let you" at all. Your dad did more than grab something. Civilian Donald J. Trump was merely remarking about the difference of groupies and gold diggers as opposed to the married woman he was openly admitting didn't fall for game as he admitted to being a cad at the time and was actually giving praises and commending the married woman for her virtue.
 
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And, it's not "sexual assault" if "they let you" at all.

No, that's wrong, and courts have already ruled so. If they give you permission before you assault them, it's not assault. If you grab without permission it's assault.

Trump used the same defense when his wife accused him of rape; "a husband can't rape his wife." Courts have ruled that is wrong, too. No sane person doubts that Trump's sexual behavior is sleazy; we're just starting to realize how sleazy.
 
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You can't be so obtuse as to still think that because he used that common American slang term, that he was actually talking about a designated sports clothes-changing facility with showers and gym lockers?????

No. Obviously, Trump is not the sort of person who would be found in an athletic facility. What everyone understood was that I meant real men in locker rooms don't talk like that. At least not after they turn 16 or so. And that's why so many real athletes made fun of him for claiming otherwise.
 
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And, it's not "sexual assault" if "they let you" at all. Your dad did more than grab something. Civilian Donald J. Trump was merely remarking about the difference of groupies and gold diggers as opposed to the married woman he was openly admitting didn't fall for game as he admitted to being a cad at the time and was actually giving praises and commending the married woman for her virtue.

So to your mind not actively resisting is the same as consent?
 
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And, it's not "sexual assault" if "they let you" at all. Your dad did more than grab something. Civilian Donald J. Trump was merely remarking about the difference of groupies and gold diggers as opposed to the married woman he was openly admitting didn't fall for game as he admitted to being a cad at the time and was actually giving praises and commending the married woman for her virtue.
If they "let you" because of coercion, yes, that's assault.
 
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No. Obviously, Trump is not the sort of person who would be found in an athletic facility. What everyone understood was that I meant real men in locker rooms don't talk like that. At least not after they turn 16 or so. And that's why so many real athletes made fun of him for claiming otherwise.

Why bother at this point? We know it's already been justified at this point. It's ok what he did because reasons, where I have a feeling if it came out on this forum that I did that, it wouldn't be justified.
 
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Thank you. "We don't want to come to America. We want to stay in our own country". That is powerful

I don't have time to look now, but I believe we could actually set up and help something like 1,000 refugees over in Syria for every 1 we bring here, due to how much it costs to teach them to read, teach them a new language, etc.
 
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I don't have time to look now, but I believe we could actually set up and help something like 1,000 refugees over in Syria for every 1 we bring here, due to how much it costs to teach them to read, teach them a new language, etc.
How do you propose "helping" them in Syria, when Syria is a warzone? I mean, specifically, what are you suggesting?
 
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How do you propose "helping" them in Syria, when Syria is a warzone? I mean, specifically, what are you suggesting?
Most of the help them over there ideas are based on funding the refugee camps in neighboring countries.
 
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No, that's wrong, [Citation not granted] and courts have already ruled so. [Citation not granted] If they give you permission before you assault them, it's not assault. [Citation not granted]If you grab without permission it's assault. [Citation not granted]

Trump used the same defense when his wife accused him of rape; [Citation not granted]"a husband can't rape his wife." [Citation not granted] Courts have ruled that is wrong, too. [Citation not granted] No sane person[Citation not granted] doubts that Trump's sexual behavior is sleazy;[Citation not granted] we're just starting to realize how sleazy.[Citation not granted]
 
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The Barbarian said:
No, that's wrong,

[Citation not granted]

consent can look like this:

  • Communicating when you change the type or degree of sexual activity with phrases like “Is this OK?”
  • Explicitly agreeing to certain activities, either by saying “yes” or another affirmative statement, like “I’m open to trying.”
  • Using physical cues to let the other person know you’re comfortable taking things to the next level
It does NOT look like this:

  • Refusing to acknowledge “no”
  • Assuming that wearing certain clothes, flirting, or kissing is an invitation for anything more
  • Someone being under the legal age of consent, as defined by the state
  • Someone being incapacitated because of drugs or alcohol
  • Pressuring someone into sexual activity by using fear or intimidation
  • Assuming you have permission to engage in a sexual act because you’ve done it in the past
What Consent Looks Like | RAINN

Barbarian continues:
and courts have already ruled so.

[Citation not granted]

There is no single legal definition of consent. Each state sets its own definition, either in law or through court cases. In general, there are three main ways that states analyze consent in relation to sexual acts:


  • Affirmative consent: Did the person express overt actions or words indicating agreement for sexual acts?
  • Freely given consent: Was the consent offered of the person’s own free will, without being induced by fraud, coercion, violence, or threat of violence?
  • Capacity to consent: Did the individual have the capacity, or legal ability, to consent?
Legal Role of Consent | RAINN

Barbarian continues:
Trump used the same defense when his wife accused him of rape;"a husband can't rape his wife."

[Citation not granted]
Donald Trump's lawyer and top aide apologized Tuesday after he ensnared the candidate in fresh controversy by responding to years-old rape allegations against Trump — since retracted — by saying that sexual intercourse with a spouse can never legally be considered rape.
Donald Trump Lawyer Sorry for Saying 'You Can't Rape Your Spouse'

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Courts have ruled that is wrong, too.

[Citation not granted]

Notice that Trump's lawyer has since admitted that what he said was false.

Marital rape in United States law, also known as spousal rape, is non-consensual sex in which the perpetrator is the victim's spouse. It is a form of partner rape, of domestic violence, and of sexual abuse. Today, marital rape is illegal in all 50 US states.
Marital rape (United States law) - Wikipedia

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No sane person doubts that Trump's sexual behavior is sleazy; we're just starting to realize how sleazy. This was a fairly important post; thanks to Herby for helping to put it up one more time.
 
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