Why can't you eat meat?

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jan 22, 2017

Some religions I noticed and some individuals don't believe in eating meat, I never really have bothered to ask why becuase I could care less. But I started reading certain scriptures that increased my interest a bit more in the subject.

So I guess my question is why do some believe it is mandatory that eating meat=hell. What is the reasoning behind this belief? Now don't get me wrong a vegan diet tends to ensure long life and such (hate to admit this as a gym addict but it's true), but why mandate it?

Winken · Jan 22, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
Some religions I noticed and some individuals don't believe in eating meat, I never really have bothered to ask why becuase I could care less. But I started reading certain scriptures that increased my interest a bit more in the subject.

So I guess my question is why do some believe it is mandatory that eating meat=hell. What is the reasoning behind this belief? Now don't get me wrong a vegan diet tends to ensure long life and such (hate to admit this as a gym addict but it's true), but why mandate it?

There is no mandate in Christianity to avoid eating anything. It is a health issue, not a Spiritual issue.

truefiction1 · Jan 22, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
Some religions I noticed and some individuals don't believe in eating meat, I never really have bothered to ask why becuase I could care less. But I started reading certain scriptures that increased my interest a bit more in the subject.

So I guess my question is why do some believe it is mandatory that eating meat=hell. What is the reasoning behind this belief? Now don't get me wrong a vegan diet tends to ensure long life and such (hate to admit this as a gym addict but it's true), but why mandate it?

Meat in itself isn't bad and eating it is not immoral. However, is it helpful in the spiritual Life? Many times no. Prayer and fasting are the primary weapons of spiritual warfare. Fasting greatly boosts the effectiveness of prayer within our own souls. Without such effectiveness of prayer within our own souls, success in spiritual combat is not even possible. This is why Jesus taught his disciples to pray and fast (Matthew 6:17) (Matthew 17:21). It is also good for the body when it is done in proper moderation.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jan 22, 2017

Winken said:
There is no mandate in Christianity to avoid eating anything. It is a health issue, not a Spiritual issue.

I thought the same until I meant some christians who actually hold this belief. One is a seven day eveg.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jan 22, 2017

truefiction1 said:
Meat in itself isn't bad and eating it is not immoral. However, is it helpful in the spiritual Life? Many times no. Prayer and fasting are the primary weapons of spiritual warfare. Fasting greatly boosts the effectiveness of prayer within our own souls. Without such effectiveness of prayer within our own souls, success in spiritual combat is not even possible. This is why Jesus taught his disciples to pray and fast (Matthew 6:17) (Matthew 17:21). It is also good for the body when it is done in proper moderation.

Appreciate the response. And I'm glad you make such a big point here that there is no indication that not eating meat somehow it increases your spiritual walk.

It's all about prayer and fasting!!!! Seeking God!!!! being holy amen!

Winken · Jan 22, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
I thought the same until I meant some christians who actually hold this belief. One is a seven day eveg.

Misinterpretation and misapplication of the simple Truth of scripture is commonplace ---- God forgive them for rattling on about stuff that isn't necessary.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jan 22, 2017

Winken said:
Misinterpretation and misapplication of the simple Truth of scripture is commonplace ---- God forgive them for rattling on about stuff that isn't necessary.

Thanks for the clarification I figured this could be the case but wasn't sure.

truefiction1 · Jan 22, 2017

Winken said:
Misinterpretation and misapplication of the simple Truth of scripture is commonplace ---- God forgive them for rattling on about stuff that isn't necessary.

Are you of the belief that keeping Christ's commandments is not necessary?

Winken · Jan 22, 2017

truefiction1 said:
Are you of the belief that keeping Christ's commandments is not necessary?

We are to love the Lord God and our neighbor. Love conquers all.

Soyeong · Jan 22, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
Some religions I noticed and some individuals don't believe in eating meat, I never really have bothered to ask why becuase I could care less. But I started reading certain scriptures that increased my interest a bit more in the subject.

So I guess my question is why do some believe it is mandatory that eating meat=hell. What is the reasoning behind this belief? Now don't get me wrong a vegan diet tends to ensure long life and such (hate to admit this as a gym addict but it's true), but why mandate it?

The truth of God's Word is that certain animals were sanctified by God, which we are to receive with thanksgiving, so we should not listen to those who order people to abstain from eating from those certain animals that God has permitted (1 Timothy 4:3-5). God even commanded His people to eat meat at various instances with peace offerings, so it is completely false that eating meat will send you to hell. Furthermore, that wouldn't be the case even if it were true that eating meat was a sin because we are able to repent from our sins.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jan 22, 2017

Soyeong said:
The truth of God's Word is that certain animals were sanctified by God, which we are to receive with thanksgiving, so we should not listen to those who order people to abstain from eating from those certain animals that God has permitted (1 Timothy 4:3-5). God even commanded His people to eat meat at various instances with peace offerings, so it is completely false that eating meat will send you to hell. Furthermore, that wouldn't be the case even if it were true that eating meat was a sin because we are able to repent from our sins.

Well said man 1 timothy is the one that fully convinced me when I read it months back. I wish I had it when I came across those in person that believed in no meat or hell though but found it later.

truefiction1 · Jan 22, 2017

Winken said:
We are to love the Lord God and our neighbor. Love conquers all.

If it be the case that we are slaves of passion and in bondage to demons through them, then is it really possible to Love the Lord God and our neighbor: to be free to act according to such Love? Most of us "Christians" are deluded and deceived, not knowing God because we are fully the slaves of sin; utterly wallowing in spiritual blindness and death. This is why the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ preached "repentance", first of all, and there really is no repentance where there is no prayer and fasting. It is necessary to keep Christ's commandments --all of them! Christ Himself fasted and prayed as an example to us what we also must do.

Winken · Jan 22, 2017

Well ....... some terminology needs to be defined / refined. I am a Spiritually-birthed (born again) child of God. When He looks at me He sees not what I used to be, He sees Jesus. Jesus on the Cross. I am declared the Righteousness of God in Him. I need no other argument, I need no other plea. It is enough that Jesus died, and that He died for me. Nothing can separate me now or ever from His Amazing Grace.

truefiction1 · Jan 22, 2017

Winken said:
Well ....... some terminology needs to be defined / refined. I am a Spiritually-birthed (born again) child of God. When He looks at me He sees not what I used to be, He sees Jesus. Jesus on the Cross. I am declared the Righteousness of God in Him. I need no other argument, I need no other plea. It is enough that Jesus died, and that He died for me. Nothing can separate me now or ever from His Amazing Grace.

Sin does separate any of us from His Amazing Grace, even sinful thoughts when accepted into our hearts, like proud or vain imaginings and fantasies. Such delusions can carry us with the impression that we be children of God while we may not have any knowledge whatsoever of Who the True God is. Only the pure in heart see God, because as they say, "it takes One to know One". Purity of heart is a gift eventually received by those who continue to repent. unceasing prayer and fasting bring our sinfulness out in the open, exposing and revealing it to ourselves so that it can be repented of and washed away by tears of contrition. This is why Jesus taught us, both by example and by His words, that we must always pray and fast. The Master has never taught anyone to be negligent, undisciplined, or lazy in the spiritual Life. Neither did any of the Apostles.

Winken · Jan 22, 2017

The imperatives in the Hebrew Bible apply to Hebrew folk, not Christians today. Likewise, the imperatives written for the Jews in Matthew through Luke, and found in portions of John and James, are not imperatives for Christians today.

The GIFT of God, Grace through Faith, employs everything written, without us having to be obedient to letter, dot, tittle.

Jesus incorporated ALL of the Hebrew Bible in Himself. Receiving Him as Savior fulfills all of those ancient imperatives without us having to list each one.

Fasting is fine for everyone~~~it is not an imperative for anyone today. It can provide emotional highs or insights which are not scriptural. Prayer is that Most Holy Spiritual connection with God, through the Holy Spirit, to the feet of our Blessed Savior, NOT to be saved all over again, but to receive the Truth that He is our Great Intercessor before God's Throne. No one on earth, no one, can lay claim to that Highly Spiritual, God-ordained relationship.

Jesus did not go to the Cross to enable me to obey rituals. He enabled me to instantly enter into His everlasting Love, from which I can never depart...He will never leave me or forsake me.

Be blessed in Him!

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jan 22, 2017

Winken said:
The imperatives in the Hebrew Bible apply to Hebrew folk, not Christians today. Likewise, the imperatives written for the Jews in Matthew through Luke, and found in portions of John and James, are not imperatives for Christians today.

The GIFT of God, Grace through Faith, employs everything written, without us having to be obedient to letter, dot, tittle.

Jesus incorporated ALL of the Hebrew Bible in Himself. Receiving Him as Savior fulfills all of those ancient imperatives without us having to list each one.

Fasting is fine for everyone~~~it is not an imperative for anyone today. It can provide emotional highs or insights which are not scriptural. Prayer is that Most Holy Spiritual connection with God, through the Holy Spirit, to the feet of our Blessed Savior, NOT to be saved all over again, but to receive the Truth that He is our Great Intercessor before God's Throne. No one on earth, no one, can lay claim to that Highly Spiritual, God-ordained relationship.

Jesus did not go to the Cross to enable me to obey rituals. He enabled me to instantly enter into His everlasting Love, from which I can never depart.

Be blessed in Him!

What I find interesting is i'm in the middle on this. I believe prayer/fasting are good but I don't believe there are set laws christians have to follow anymore. Through the holy ghost we know what to do. holy ghost=spirit of God. We now have to follow the apostles teachings simply rather then set laws.

truefiction1 · Jan 22, 2017

Winken said:
The imperatives in the Hebrew Bible apply to Hebrew folk, not Christians today. Likewise, the imperatives written for the Jews in Matthew through Luke, and found in portions of John and James, are not imperatives for Christians today.

The GIFT of God, Grace through Faith, employs everything written, without us having to be obedient to letter, dot, tittle.

Jesus incorporated ALL of the Hebrew Bible in Himself. Receiving Him as Savior fulfills all of those ancient imperatives without us having to list each one.

Fasting is fine for everyone~~~it is not an imperative for anyone today. It can provide emotional highs or insights which are not scriptural. Prayer is that Most Holy Spiritual connection with God, through the Holy Spirit, to the feet of our Blessed Savior, NOT to be saved all over again, but to receive the Truth that He is our Great Intercessor before God's Throne. No one on earth, no one, can lay claim to that Highly Spiritual, God-ordained relationship.

Jesus did not go to the Cross to enable me to obey rituals. He enabled me to instantly enter into His everlasting Love, from which I can never depart...He will never leave me or forsake me.

Be blessed in Him!

The imperatives are not from the Old Testament: They are from Christ and His Apostles. Jesus did indeed go to the Cross to enable you to obey rituals, especially the ritual of Baptism into His death, the ritual of eating His flesh and drinking His blood, and the ritual of Chrismation with the Holy Spirit. Jesus is a proponent of rituals, as the Creator of humankind who, by virtue of their very mode of being (as composites of physical matter and spirit) must use matter as means of Communion with God.

The Life-giving rituals that God has given us are things to give thanks for, not things to be derided. You are absolutely correct about prayer though. No Orthodox believer would disagree with this assertion.

Zurückschlagen · Jan 22, 2017

Winken said:
There is no mandate in Christianity to avoid eating anything. It is a health issue, not a Spiritual issue.

That's right, Brother @Winken

One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.

Winken · Jan 22, 2017

truefiction1 said:
The imperatives are not from the Old Testament: They are from Christ and His Apostles. Jesus did indeed go to the Cross to enable you to obey rituals, especially the ritual of Baptism into His death, the ritual of eating His flesh and drinking His blood, and the ritual of Chrismation with the Holy Spirit. Jesus is a proponent of rituals, as the Creator of humankind who, by virtue of their very mode of being (as composites of physical matter and spirit) must use matter as means of Communion with God.

The Life-giving rituals that God has given us are things to give thanks for, not things to be derided. You are absolutely correct about prayer though. No Orthodox believer would disagree with this assertion.

Rest assured that I "deride" nothing. Never. Time for my evening Bible study. G'Nite, all!

truefiction1 · Jan 22, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
What I find interesting is i'm in the middle on this. I believe prayer/fasting are good but I don't believe there are set laws christians have to follow anymore. Through the holy ghost we know what to do. holy ghost=spirit of God. We now have to follow the apostles teachings simply rather then set laws.

The mandates, if there are any, exist for the purpose of giving believers guidance on the most effective ways to fast. Fasting is not an "intrinsically good" thing. It is not a moral commandment. Its function is to serve as the foundation of effective prayer. Exceptions can be and are made to rules of fasting, according to an individual's physical nutritional needs (which vary according to one's way of life or occupational demands). Orthodox Churches supply themselves with fasting rules as a basic starting point. Fasting rules are for man, not man for the fasting rules.

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