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LittleLambofJesus said in post 199:

Revelation mentions a great City and the Roman currency of the 1st century [denarii].

Regarding Revelation 6:6, note that the "dinar" is in use today in some countries, and its name is derived from the Greek "denarion" (used in Revelation 6:6), just as the Greek "denarion" was derived from the Latin "denarius". But Revelation 6:6 does not have to be referring to a literal denarion, but can simply be referring to a day's wages, no matter in what country's currency, for the ancient denarion was a day's wages.

Just as Revelation 6:4 refers to a future war, which is the "sword" part of Revelation 6:8, so Revelation 6:6 refers to future famines, which are the "hunger" part of Revelation 6:8, when food will be so expensive that someone will have to spend an entire day's wages just to buy a quart of wheat (think of a loaf of bread). For when Revelation 6:6 says "A measure of wheat for a penny", the original Greek says a "choinix" of wheat for a "denarion". A denarion was a day's wages, and a choinix was probably about a quart.

LittleLambofJesus said in post 199:

There are a lot of Christians that view Revelation as the destruction of that city, and I am starting to come to that view also, tho reluctantly...

Do you mean that you are reluctant to view Revelation's "great city" Babylon (Revelation 18:10) as being ancient Rome rather than ancient Jerusalem? If so, note that it is neither city, by itself. For while the corrupt aspects of ancient Rome and ancient Jerusalem are included in what Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of ancient Rome and ancient Jerusalem. For neither ancient Rome nor ancient Jerusalem just by itself reigned over the kings of the entire earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor was ancient Rome or ancient Jerusalem the only place where people bought merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor had ancient Rome or ancient Jerusalem just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor had ancient Rome or ancient Jerusalem been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of fallen man's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

Also, the corrupt world-system represented by Revelation's "Babylon" may currently be headquartered in Washington DC and New York City, insofar as Washington DC may currently be "the crowning city" (cf. Isaiah 23:8) of mankind's corrupt politics, the first leg of Revelation's "Babylon" (Revelation 17:18). And New York City may currently be "the crowning city" of mankind's corrupt economics, the 2nd leg of Revelation's "Babylon" (Revelation 18:11). "The crowning city" of mankind's corrupt religions, the 3rd leg of Revelation's "Babylon" (Revelation 18:24), may currently be Jerusalem, as it was back in the 1st century AD (Matthew 23:35-38). Ultimately, all three legs of Revelation's "Babylon" will become headquartered in the literal, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq), which the Antichrist, during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), will make the capital of the world, only to see his city of Babylon destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

Tyre was "the crowning city" of mankind's corrupt economics at one point in ancient times (Isaiah 23:8). God allowed the destruction of ancient Tyre as a lesson, an example, "to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth" (Isaiah 23:9). In the same way, would God allow the future destruction of Washington DC and New York City by terrorist nuclear bombs, as a lesson, an example, "to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth"?

Also, the Bible teaches that, without repentance, what is sown is reaped (Galatians 6:7). And two nuclear bombs (developed in the "Manhattan" Project) were sown by the U.S. against two major cities in Japan (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) in order to terrorize Japan into surrender during World War II. So could the U.S. in the future reap two terrorist nuclear bombs against two of its own major cities (including Manhattan)? Could the U.S. avoid this fate by publicly repenting before God and asking him and Japan for forgiveness for the U.S. intentionally targeting and murdering 150,000 innocent civilian men, women, and children living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Could the 9/11 terrorists being allowed by God to intentionally target and murder 3,000 innocent civilian men, women, and children in New York City's Twin Towers and elsewhere in the U.S. have been just a warning to the U.S., a mere shot across its bow, to try to get the U.S. to repent for what it did to the two cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? But could the U.S. continue to refuse to repent for its nuclear terrorism against Japan, leaving the way open for nuclear terrorism against the U.S.?

(Obama recently took a pass on a perfect opportunity for the U.S. to repent, when he visited Hiroshima. But could Trump and Pence visit Hiroshima, and, as Christians, publicly repent for the U.S., soon after they take office? Pray that they do so. Also, this would greatly help to mend Trump's world image, and might even gain him the Nobel Peace Prize, which Obama won for doing nothing at all.)

Also, a "restrainer" must be taken out of the way before the Antichrist can come into worldwide power (2 Thessalonians 2:6-9, Revelation 13:4-18). This restrainer could be a powerful angel like the one who will restrain Satan at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 20:1-3). It could be Michael the archangel, the angelic prince over Israel (Daniel 12:1, Daniel 10:21,13). Michael could also currently be the angelic prince over the U.S., making sure that it supports Israel. Part of Michael's being taken out of the way, just enough to allow the Antichrist to come into worldwide power, could be God removing Michael's protection of (an unrepentant) U.S. just enough to allow Washington DC and New York City to be nuked by terrorists. This could weaken the U.S. not only by the destruction of its political and economic capitals, but also by the subsequent run on the U.S. dollar which could occur, rendering it close to worthless in world markets. The U.S. government could then finally go bankrupt, unable to finance any longer its huge, $20 trillion debt, or its huge economy or military. Its days as a superpower (but not as a big nation) will be over, opening the way for the Antichrist (who will not be from the U.S.) to come into worldwide power (Revelation 13:4-18).

If Washington DC and New York City are attacked with nuclear bombs, will this really be the work of terrorists, such as Islamic jihadists? Or could it be a "false flag" operation, one presented to the world as an Islamic-jihadist attack, when in fact it will have been carefully stage-managed from behind the scenes by a powerful cabal, a worldwide secret society of Gnostic Luciferians, as part of their careful, step-by-step plan to prepare the way for the Antichrist (who is a Gnostic Luciferian: 1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4) to take over the world?

LittleLambofJesus said in post 199:

Anyway, topic of "hailstones" in Revelation would make for an interesting discussion . . .

Revelation 16:21 refers to 100-pound hailstones which will be literal hailstones, just as the plagues of hailstones from God in Exodus 9:25 and Joshua 10:11 were literal hailstones. Also, the 100-pound hailstones in Revelation 16:21 will plague mankind in general, and only after the never-fulfilled first 6 vials of Revelation 16 have all been fulfilled in our future. Also at the 7th vial, right before Jesus returns (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), there will be a huge earthquake which will affect the whole world (Revelation 16:18-20). And Revelation's symbolic (and worldwide) "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) will be destroyed only when the cities of the nations are destroyed at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:19). None of these things has happened yet. So the 7th vial has not happened yet.
 
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Does Luke 11:42 mean tithing is still necessary today?

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Some more old entries for review and the blog, do you have any new thoughts about them?



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"All men have not faith" (2 Thessalonians 3:2) because God has not given to all men his miraculous gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65, 1 Corinthians 3:5, Acts 13:48). And even among those who have been given faith, some have been given more "talents" than others (Matthew 25:15). All those who have been given faith do not prophesy, or work miracles, or have gifts of healing, or speak in tongues, or interpret tongues (1 Corinthians 12:29-30), because not all those who have been given faith are given the same gifts of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:4-30), and some gifts are greater than others (1 Corinthians 14:5; 1 Corinthians 12:31).

Man being created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26) doesn't mean that God has given to every man the same things. While all men are the same in their essence (Acts 17:26), God does give more to some men than to others.

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In Ezekiel 36:27, the original Hebrew word translated as " 'cause' you to walk in my statutes" can be translated as " 'grant' [cf. Job 10:12] you to walk in my statutes", in the sense that if Christians choose to walk in the Spirit, God will grant them the ability not to fulfill the lust of the flesh (Galatians 5:16). But if Christians choose instead to quench the Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19) and commit sin without repentance, then they will ultimately lose their salvation (Romans 8:13).

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John 3:3 doesn't contradict that to be saved is to be born, again (John 3:7, 1 Peter 1:23-25, 1 Peter 2:2). Also, John 3:3 doesn't give the assurance that every individual who has been born again (saved) will necessarily see the kingdom of God. All John 3:3 does it set the requirement that in order to see the kingdom of God, one must be born again (saved).

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John 10:9 is referring to initial salvation. The "if they continue" qualifications are found elsewhere in the Bible, in relation to ultimate salvation: initially saved people will be ultimately saved only "if" they continue in the faith to the end (Colossians 1:23, Hebrews 3:6,14), and the Bible gives no assurance that they will choose to do that (1 Timothy 4:1, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Matthew 24:9-13, Luke 8:13, John 15:6, Hebrews 6:4-8, 2 Timothy 2:12, Mark 8:35-38).

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Malachi 1:11 prophesied the situation since the New Covenant salvation of the Gentiles (Acts 10:45), who offer up to God figurative incense and sacrifice continually all around the world (Psalms 141:2, Hebrews 13:15), not just in Jerusalem and Israel (John 4:21-24).

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Romans 2:14-15 does refer to Gentiles keeping the law of Moses, which includes the 10 commandments.

Romans 2:14-15 means that even believing physical-Gentiles perform the law (Romans 3:31), but only in spirit (Romans 7:6), by loving other people (Romans 13:8).

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Hebrews 10:17 is quoting from Jeremiah 31:34b, which shows that the New Covenant is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34), who are Daniel's people: "my people Israel" (Daniel 9:20).

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In Revelation 14:12, the commandments of God which are kept by those who have the faith of Jesus are the New Covenant commandments of God given to the church through Jesus at his first coming (John 14:21-24) and passed on to the church through the apostles (1 Thessalonians 4:2).

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God punished Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit because he had commanded them not to (Genesis 2:17).

Adam and Eve's fall into rebellion had nothing to do with eating per se, but with willfully eating one specific food which God had commanded them not to eat (Genesis 2:17, 3:11). They were allowed to freely eat all manner of other foods (Genesis 2:16). So the sin that brought about the fall of man (Romans 5:12) wasn't eating, but willful disobedience to God (Romans 5:19).

Adam and Eve did become mortal from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17). God then posted Cherubims to keep Adam and Eve away from the tree of life (Genesis 3:24) so that Adam and Eve could not regain immortality by eating from the tree of life (Genesis 3:22).

God did know that there was virtually a 100% chance of them eventually eating the fruit, but not because they had no idea that eating the fruit was the wrong thing to do until they actually ate it, because they did know it was the wrong thing to do before they actually ate it, because God had commanded them not to eat it (Genesis 2:17).

God let them eat it because he allows humans free will. God could have originally assigned an as-yet-unfallen Lucifer to watch over Adam and Eve in a good sense, to be a "covering cherub" over Eden (Ezekiel 28:13-15). Lucifer could have then fallen into rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12) and so become Satan (cf. Luke 10:18), and as his first rebellious act deceived Eve into disobeying God (Genesis 3).

Also, only Eve was deceived by Lucifer; Adam was not deceived (1 Timothy 2:14). But even if people sin because they are deceived by the devil, they are still responsible for their disobedience to God, because the devil cannot make anyone sin: human sin arises only from human free will (James 1:13-15).

God can never be disappointed in the sense of thinking that one thing will happen, only to see something else happen, precisely because of his omniscience: he knows beforehand how everything will happen, declaring the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10). Nonetheless, this omniscience does not keep God from being able to feel grief when people wrongly employ their will to commit sin (Genesis 6:5-6).

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Genesis 3:15 could be understood as follows: "And I will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve], and between thy seed [those who will never be saved, e.g. John 8:42-47] and her seed [Christ, and those He will save through His death, Isaiah 53:10]; it [Christ and those He will save] shall bruise thy head [Romans 16:20], and thou shalt bruise his heel [Satan will get Christ killed through Judas; Luke 22:3-6].

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Jesus created everything (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16-17). Why is it that many believers think of only God the Father as the Creator?

Jesus Christ is not only in charge of everything in heaven and earth (Matthew 28:18), but as God the Word is also the Creator of everything in heaven and earth (Colossians 1:16-18, John 1:1,3).

Even now as a flesh and bones human being (John 1:14, Luke 24:39, 1 John 4:3, 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 2:16-17, Hebrews 7:24-26), Jesus Christ is currently in heaven ruling over everything in heaven and earth (1 Peter 3:22, Ephesians 1:20-23, Colossians 2:10,15, Philippians 2:9).

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… and God has to exist in some dimension of time because without time there can be no change, no action performed, such as God creating the Big Bang singularity by his eternal power (Romans 1:20).

God isn't outside of time in the sense that there is time even in heaven where God sits on His throne:

Revelation 8:1 ...there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God ...

God is outside of time in the sense that the space-time continuum of this universe was created by God:

John 1:3 ...All things were made by him ...

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The Greek word translated as "earth" in Romans 10:18 can refer to the globe (Matthew 6:10, 11:25, 28:18). Romans 10:18 is quoting Psalms 19:4, which involves not just the Roman Empire, but the entire globe knowing of God's existence as Creator by the evidence of the sky and all that it contains (Psalms 19:1-4, cf. Romans 1:20).

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God opening "all the chambers of waters which are above the heavens" is just a poetic way of saying that God will cause all the water in the rainclouds which are up in the sky to come pouring down upon the earth.

It's unclear how some water could be masculine and other water feminine in a physical sense, even if this is interpreted as some water physically having a positive electric charge and other water physically having a negative electric charge, for each molecule of water, regardless of whether it's up in the sky or down on the earth always consists of the same three atoms: two hydrogen atoms covalently bonded to one oxygen atom; and each molecule of water is always polarized the same way: the oxygen atom in a water molecule is always electronegative and the two hydrogen atoms in a water molecule are always electropositive. That's why molecules of water stick to one another so well: the two hydrogen atoms of one molecule are electrostatically drawn to the oxygen atoms of neighboring molecules, a bond called a hydrogen bond.

So the waters in the sky must be "masculine" and the waters on the earth "feminine" not in some scientific, physical, electric sense, for each molecule of water, regardless of whether it's up in the clouds or down on the earth, is both "masculine" (positive, the two hydrogen atoms) and "feminine" (negative, the one oxygen atom): the oxygen atom in a water molecule is like one big female married to two little males at the same time.

So the waters in the sky must be "masculine" and the waters on the earth "feminine" only in some symbolic or spiritual sense, in light of their "joining" together in the great flood of Noah.
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 202:

Does Luke 11:42 mean tithing is still necessary today?

No, for Luke 11:42 was spoken while the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was still in effect.

(See the "Law" and "Tithing" sections of *Eph. 2:15)

(These sections are quoted below for those who do not want to go to the blog)

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On Jesus' Cross, for both Jews and Gentiles (John 11:51-52), of all times, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was completely and forever abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18), rendered obsolete (Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8), taken away and replaced (Hebrews 10:9) by the better hope (Hebrews 7:19), the better covenant (Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-12), the second covenant (Hebrews 8:7, Hebrews 10:9), of Jesus' New Covenant law (Galatians 6:2, John 1:17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 9:15), so that the law was changed (Hebrews 7:12).

All believers, both Jews and Gentles, of all times, are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, and should not keep it (Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Galatians 2:11-21), or have any desire to keep it (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25). Believers keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).

The New Covenant is a new law (Hebrews 7:12,18-19, Hebrews 10:1-23), consisting of Jesus' New Covenant/New Testament commandments (John 14:15), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37). These commandments exceed in righteousness the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48). So there is no reason why any believer should ever want to go back under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). It was just a temporary schoolmaster (Galatians 3:24-25), a temporary shadow (Colossians 2:16-17), which God set up because of sins long after he had set up the original promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, and long before he brought that promise to fulfillment in Jesus' New Covenant (Galatians 3:16-29, Matthew 26:28).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been made obsolete by the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:13). For example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required an Aaronic priesthood (Exodus 30:30), while the New Covenant replaced the Aaronic priesthood with the Melchisedechian priesthood (Hebrews 7:11-28). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required animal sacrifices for sin (e.g. Leviticus 23:19), while the New Covenant replaced these with the one-time sacrifice of Jesus (Hebrews 10).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law is the Hagar to the New Covenant's Sarah (Galatians 4:21-25). So those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who try to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law are like Ishmael, Abraham's son by a bondmaid (Galatians 4:22), who was cast out (Galatians 4:30), while those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who keep the New Covenant are like Isaac (Galatians 4:28), Abraham's son by a freewoman (Galatians 4:22,31), who became his heir (Galatians 4:30b).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (including the letter of the ten commandments) written and engraven in stones (2 Corinthians 3:7, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 27:8) was the ministration of death and condemnation (2 Corinthians 3:7,9). For example, see Leviticus 20:10, Exodus 31:14, and Numbers 15:32-36; and contrast these with the New Covenant's John 8:4-11 and Matthew 12:1-8.

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been completely and forever done away (2 Corinthians 3:11), abolished (2 Corinthians 3:13b). But it is still able to spiritually blind some people as with a veil from beholding Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:14-16), while the New Covenant is the ministration of the spirit and righteousness (2 Corinthians 3:6,8-9b) which remains (2 Corinthians 3:11b), and which permits Christians to remove the veil and to behold Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:16-18, Mark 15:38, Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15-18, Colossians 2:14-17).

But a mistaken spirit of Pharisaism can still sometimes deceive even Christians into thinking that they must keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in order to be saved (Acts 15:1,5), or in order to become perfect (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). This is a false, cursed gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). For if any Christians are keeping any part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law thinking that they must do so in order to be saved, or in order to become perfect, then Jesus will profit them nothing; they have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:2-8).

ThomasGuthler said in post 202:

Does Luke 11:42 mean tithing is still necessary today?

No, for tithing is not a New Covenant commandment, but was a part of the Old Covenant, the letter of which Jesus abolished on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6). Christians thinking that they have to keep the letter of the Old Covenant tithe is just as mistaken as Christians thinking that they have to keep the letter of the Old Covenant circumcision (Acts 15:1-11). If Christians keep the letter of the Old Covenant tithe thinking that they have to, then they are as fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4) as those Christians who keep the letter of the Old Covenant circumcision thinking that they have to (Galatians 5:2). They have become debtors to perform the letter of the entire Old Covenant law (Galatians 5:3). They have placed themselves under its curse (Galatians 3:10, Deuteronomy 27:26). It is sad that some pastors even go out of their way to also lay the specific Old Covenant curse of Malachi 3:8-9 on their congregations.

Jesus taught that Christians have to obey his New Covenant/New Testament commandments (John 15:10), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37). Jesus' New Covenant commandments exceed in righteousness the abolished letter of the Old Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:20-48). For Jesus' New Covenant requirement is that Christians do much more than merely tithe: They must forsake everything that they have (Luke 14:33).

ThomasGuthler said in post 202:

Some more old entries for review and the blog . . .

Thank you for researching and posting them.

ThomasGuthler said in post 202:

. . . do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Revelation 16 links, the first link seems to be covered by *Rev. 16, which is quoted below for those who do not want to go to the blog:

The world won't experience the 7 last plagues of the 7 vials of God's wrath (Revelation chapters 15-16), the final stage of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, until after the never-fulfilled Revelation chapters 6 to 15 have been fulfilled. At the 1st vial, an awful sore will appear on those people who will have received the Antichrist's mark and worshipped his image (Revelation 16:2). At the 2nd vial, the sea will become like the blood of a dead man, and every living creature in the sea will die (Revelation 16:3). At the 3rd vial, all natural, surface sources of fresh water will become blood (Revelation 16:4). At the 4th vial, men will be scorched with fire shot out from the sun (Revelation 16:8). This would be a solar-flare coronal mass ejection of solar plasma, which could make its way down to the surface of the earth due to the earth's magnetic field being disrupted during a magnetic-pole reversal which could occur near the end of the future tribulation.

At the 5th vial, the whole world will be plunged into literal darkness (Revelation 16:10). At the 6th vial, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan: Revelation 12:9), and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together in an attempt to defeat YHWH God (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). The Euphrates will dry up so that the armies of "the kings of the east" (Revelation 16:12) (i.e. the vast armies of China, India, Pakistan, Japan, Iran, Indonesia) can easily cross the riverbed and gather at the "place" called Armageddon (Revelation 16:16) (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel). Once they have gathered there, as only a staging area, with all the other armies of the world (Revelation 16:14,16), they will not wage battle there (that is why the Bible does not refer to a "battle" of Armageddon). Instead, they will travel south to pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus returns and defeats them (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:19-21).

At the 7th vial, right before Jesus returns (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), there will be a huge earthquake which will affect the whole world (Revelation 16:18-20), and 100-pound hailstones will pummel the earth (Revelation 16:21). The 7th vial will also be when Revelation's symbolic (and worldwide) "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) will be destroyed (Revelation 16:19).

ThomasGuthler said in post 202:

Some more old entries for review and the blog, do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Revelation 16 links, I hope to add the second link's first paragraph as a new blog entry under *Deut. 30:1. The second link's second paragraph seems to be covered by *Deut. 30:11 and *Deut. 30:6. Some other paragraphs in the second link seem to be covered by *Mt. 24:3, *Mt. 24:15, *Dan. 11:31, *Mt. 24, *2 Thes. 2:4, and the "Future" section of *Rev. chs. 6-22 [Overview]. See also sections 2-6 of *2 Thes. 2:1. Also, some other paragraphs in the second link seem to be covered by sections 6-11 of *Rev. 1:1.

Regarding the second link's Revelation 1:7 paragraph, I hope to add it as a third section under *Rev. 1:7, and add a tenth section to *Mt. 24:30.

ThomasGuthler said in post 202:

Some more old entries for review and the blog, do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Revelation 16 links, the third link's first paragraph seems to be covered by *Lk. 13:33b. Other of its paragraphs seem to be covered by *Rev. chs. 17-18, *Rev. 13:1, *Rev. 17:4, *Isa. 13, and *Rev. 17:18.

ThomasGuthler said in post 202:

Some more old entries for review and the blog, do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the 2 Thessalonians 3:2 paragraphs, I hope to add them as a new blog entry under *2 Thes. 3:2.

Regarding the Ezekiel 36:27 paragraph, I hope to add it as a new blog entry under *Ezek. 36:27.

Regarding the John 3:3 paragraph, see the *Contract analogy of *Eph. 2:8.

Regarding the John 10:9 paragraph, see *Jn. 10:9, *Jn. 3:16, and the *NOSAS section of *Heb. 3:6.

Regarding the Malachi 1:11 paragraph, I hope to add it as a new blog entry under *Mal. 1:11.

Regarding the Romans 2:14-15 paragraphs, I hope to add them as a new blog entry under *Rom. 2:14.

Regarding the Hebrews 10:17 paragraph, I hope to add it as a second section under *Heb. 10:17.

Regarding the Revelation 14:12 paragraph, it seems to be covered by section 2 of *Rev. 14:12, with its reference to the "Law" section of *Eph. 2:15.

Regarding the Genesis 2:17 paragraphs, the idea of eating per se being a sin seems too rare to bother with. But contrast *Rev. 2:7, nonetheless. Also, other aspects of the Genesis 2:17 paragraphs seem to be covered by paragraphs 2-3 of section 2 of *Rev. 13, and by *Gen. 3, *Gen. 6:6, *1 Cor. 14:34, and paragraph 1b of section 4 of *Rom. 9:11.

Regarding the Genesis 3:15 paragraph, I hope to add it as a new blog entry under *Gen. 3:15.

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Regarding the John 1:3 paragraphs, they seem to be covered by *Col. 1:16, which is quoted below for those who do not want to go to the blog:

As God the Word, Jesus was the Creator of everything in heaven and earth (Colossians 1:16-18, John 1:1,3). And in the first century AD, he became a flesh and bones human being (John 1:14; 2 John 1:7), so that he could suffer and die on the Cross for our sins and rise physically from the dead on the third day (Hebrews 2:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and become our eternally-human high priest/mediator (Hebrews 7:24-26; 1 Timothy 2:5).

After his resurrection into immortality in his fully-human flesh and bones body (Luke 24:39), Jesus the man was given ultimate spiritual authority over heaven and earth (Matthew 28:18). He ascended bodily into heaven (Acts 1:9-10), and is now there ruling spiritually over everything (1 Peter 3:22, Ephesians 1:20-23, Colossians 2:10,15, Philippians 2:9).

But he will not take ultimate, de facto, physical authority over the earth until his second coming, when, still as a flesh and bones human being (Zechariah 13:6, Zechariah 12:10-14), he will descend from heaven (Revelation 19:11-21, Zechariah 14:3-4, Acts 1:11-12) to reign on the earth (Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:9-21) with a rod of iron with the physically resurrected church for a thousand years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 2, Psalms 66:3-4, Micah 4:1-4, Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:6-7).

After his thousand-year reign and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), Jesus will resurrect everyone who was not resurrected at his second coming, and he will judge them at that time (Revelation 20:11-15). Everyone who has ever lived will have to bow down before him and admit that he is Lord of everything (Philippians 2:10-11, Acts 10:36).

ThomasGuthler said in post 202:

Some more old entries for review and the blog, do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Romans 1:20 paragraphs, they seem to be covered by section 4 of *Rom. 1:20, and by section 2 of *Rev. 8:1.

Regarding the Romans 10:18 paragraph, it would seem to go against Paul's point in Romans 10:18, which would consider the "world" (G3625) to be the ancient Roman world (cf. Luke 2:1). (This is not to contradict the wider sense of *Ps. 19:1 per se, or *Mt. 24:14 and *Rev. 14:6.)

Regarding the paragraphs about "God opening 'all the chambers of waters which are above the heavens' ", I cannot (as yet) find a verse which matches that quotation, or determine (as yet) which verses (in the Hebrew) require a masculine/feminine division between the waters in the heavens (the skies, such as in rain clouds) and the waters on the earth (its surface). But see paragraph 3b of *2 Tim. 2:15b, and see *2 Cor. 12:2.

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Regarding the paragraphs about "God opening 'all the chambers of waters which are above the heavens' ", the link to that entry is: The Created Temple of God, Which is in the Created Heavens

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Can you post here section 2 of *Rev. 14:12, with its reference to the "Law"?

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Hosea 1:10 refers to the unity which occurred spiritually in the first century (Romans 9:8-26), for Romans 9:26 is a direct quote from Hosea 1:10, showing that it was fulfilled in the first century, some 2,000 years before the future millennial return to the land and the restoration of the earthly kingdom of Israel by the returned Jesus (Acts 1:6-7, 3:20-21, Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7) in Hosea 1:11, when the unity will become earthly-political.

Hosea 5:13 refers to Jareb, a king of ancient Assyria during the time of the northern kingdom of Israel (Hosea 10:6).

Hosea chapters 7-11 prophesied the destruction of the northern kingdom of Israel, which happened in 722 B.C.

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1 Corinthians 15:28

All things being subdued to Christ and then the Father doesn't mean that all things will be saved, for the devil, the fallen angels, and all unsaved humans will be subdued to Christ and the Father by being cast into the eternal torment of the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10,15, 14:10-11, Matthew 25:41,46).

"That God may be all in all" doesn't mean that the Father is going to live inside the devil, the fallen angels, and all unsaved humans. Instead, it's just an idiomatic way of saying that God the Father will be all important to all creatures, whether they're saved or in eternal torment.

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Enoch 25:3 isn't referring to that millennial mountain of earthly Jerusalem, but to a mountain in New Jerusalem on which God's throne will be after New Jerusalem descends to the new earth (Revelation 21:1-5, 22:1-3), for Enoch 24:4-25:3 could refer to the tree of life, which will only be in New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:2,14), not millennial Jerusalem, and Enoch 25:3 relates to after the last judgment (Enoch 25:4), which is the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), which won't occur until after the millennium (Revelation 20:7-11).

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The scepter of Judah (Genesis 49:10) is the kingly rule over all Israel which the tribe of Judah obtained through King David (2 Samuel 3:10), and which will be continued at Jesus' second coming when he will sit upon David's throne (Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7) over a united kingdom of Israel and Judah (Ezekiel 37:22).

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Mark 12:26-27 doesn't mean that all of the dead have already received their immortal bodies from our point of view of time, but that from God's point of view of time, which encompasses all time at once, the resurrection of all believers is a present reality.

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Ezekiel 31:3-16 shows that the Assyrian empire had already been destroyed by the time of Ezekiel, who prophesied during the time of the subsequent Babylonian empire.

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Ezra 6:22 actually refers to the king of Persia (Ezra 6:14-15), who was the king of Assyria in the sense that he ruled over the former territory of the Assyrian empire.

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Micah prophesied in the time of Hezekiah (Micah 1:1). So Micah 3:12 could have been a prophecy of the subsequent destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon in 586 B.C.

Micah 7:12 could refer to people from all over, including Assyria, coming to worship in a rebuilt Jerusalem (Micah 7:11, 4:1-2).

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Nahum 1:9 could mean that God would make an utter end of ancient Nineveh, and wouldn't have to afflict it more than once.

Nahum 1:12-13 could mean that God would not afflict Israel with Nineveh any more. Mosul is located across the river from the site of ancient Nineveh.

Nahum 1:11-14 referred to the fall of ancient Nineveh.

Nahum 1:11-13, 2:2,6-13, and chapter 3 could refer to a ruler of Nineveh who defeated ancient Israel before he and Nineveh were defeated by God.
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 204:

Regarding the paragraphs about "God opening 'all the chambers of waters which are above the heavens' ", the link to that entry is: The Created Temple of God, Which is in the Created Heavens

Thanks. Looking at the link, it appears to be referring to a part of the book of Enoch, which part may not be scripture (although at least some parts of Enoch are scripture: Jude 1:14-15). And if it is not scripture, then it may not be worth bothering with, especially when there is still so much of scripture to explore and learn the truth from.

ThomasGuthler said in post 204:

Can you post here section 2 of *Rev. 14:12, with its reference to the "Law"?

That section just points to *Law:

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(Commandments = Mosaic law?)

See the "Law" section of Ephesians 2:15 above"

ThomasGuthler said in post 204:

Some more old entries for review and the blog . . .

Thank you for researching and posting them.

ThomasGuthler said in post 204:

. . . do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Hosea 1:10 paragraph, Hosea 1:10 might refer to the same time as Hosea 1:11, which could refer to the millennium. But the basic principle of Hosea 1:10b could also apply to the time that Romans 9:25 was written, and down until today. Compare the distinction between the time of a prophecy and its basic principle in *Rom. 15:12 and in *Acts 15:14. (These entries are quoted below for those who do not wish to go to the blog.)

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(Re: Means that Isaiah 11:6-10 is fulfilled?)

Paul quotes Isaiah 11:10 in Romans 15:12, just as he quotes other Old Testament verses in Romans 15:9-12, only to support the general principle that God had always intended to save Gentiles (Romans 15:9), and not only Jews (Romans 15:8). And so the salvation of Gentiles going on in Paul's day (Romans 11:13-24) (and still today) was God's will. In Romans 15:12, Paul purposely leaves out the "In that day" part of Isaiah 11:10, just as he purposely does not refer to the animals in Isaiah 11:6-9, because he is not referring to the specific time frame of Isaiah 11:6-16. For the end of the suffering of animals (Isaiah 11:6-9) will not happen until the (still unfulfilled) physical resurrection of the church (Romans 8:19-25), right after which the millennium will occur on the earth (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). So Isaiah 11:6-9 refers to the future time of the millennium. And so Isaiah 11:10-16 does as well.

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*Acts 15:14-17 does not say or mean that Amos 9:11-12 is "fulfilled", only that the basic principle of the salvation of Gentiles "agrees" (Greek "sumphoneo": G4856) with the idea of Amos 9:11-12, and only as it was understood by the (fallible) individual quoted in Acts 15:14-17. A different way of understanding Amos 9:11-12 is by looking at the original Hebrew: Amos 9:11-12 can mean that the house of David will be restored to power and will possess Edom (present-day southern Jordan) and all other nations. This will be fulfilled during the future millennium, which will not occur until after Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21). Jesus is of the house of David (Luke 1:69, Matthew 1:1), and so at his return, he will restore the house of David to power by sitting on the throne of David (Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7, Isaiah 16:5) and ruling the earth (Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11).

ThomasGuthler said in post 204:

Some more old entries for review and the blog, do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Hosea 5:13 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Hos. 5:13.

Regarding the Hosea chapters 7-11 paragraph, those chapters can include more than just 722 BC (e.g. *Hos. 11:1, *Hos. 11:8), although they can certainly include 722 BC (e.g. *Hos. 10:14).

Regarding the 1 Corinthians 15:28 paragraphs, they seem to be countering the idea of universal salvation, which is covered by section 2 of *1 Cor. 15:27, which is quoted below:

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1 Corinthians 15:27, like Philippians 2:10-11, does not say that all will be saved. For while all will eventually be made subject to Christ, not all will be saved (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42), but only a relatively few people (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14) compared with all of humanity."

ThomasGuthler said in post 204:

Some more old entries for review and the blog, do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Enoch 25 paragraph, I am not sure if Enoch chapters 24-25 are scripture. Also, there is already enough still-to-unpack in Revelation chapters 20-22.

Regarding the Genesis 49:10 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Gen. 49:10.

Regarding the Mark 12:26-27 paragraph, Mark 12:26-27 may have been referring to the patriarchs being spiritually alive (cf. Luke 16:22-31), even though they have not yet been physically resurrected. I.e. Jesus could have been countering the "nor spirit" part of the Sadducees' doctrine (Acts 23:8).

Regarding the Ezekiel 31:3-16 paragraph, any contrary view is probably too rare to bother with. Also, *Ezek. 11:25, for example, already establishes the timing of Ezekiel's prophesying.

Regarding the Ezra 6:22 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Ezra 6:22.

Regarding the Micah 3:12 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Mic. 3:12.

Regarding the Micah 7:12 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Mic. 7:12.

Regarding the Nahum 1:9 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Nah. 1:9b.

Regarding the Nahum 1:12-13 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Nah. 1:12b.

Regarding the Nahum 1:11-14 and Nahum 1:11-13 paragraphs, they might be too redundant to *Nah. - (first entry) and *Nah. 1:9b and *Nah. 1:12b.

(I think I am more likely to bring what you have recovered (from archive oblivion) into the blog if you don't give me too many entries at once. I.e., after something like 10 entries/paragraphs, I might begin to give the rest of the entries/paragraphs short shrift, due to getting burned out on making new entries for that day. cf. Matthew 11:30.)

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That section just points to *Law:

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(Commandments = Mosaic law?)

See the "Law" section of Ephesians 2:15 above"


Can you look at the blog entries at *Rev. 14:12, seems like that section is not yet in the blog.

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"(I think I am more likely to bring what you have recovered (from archive oblivion) into the blog if you don't give me too many entries at once. I.e., after something like 10 entries/paragraphs, I might begin to give the rest of the entries/paragraphs short shrift, due to getting burned out on making new entries for that day. cf. Matthew 11:30.)


I will restrict further posts to a handful of paragraphs per post, so that it´s not too much work at once.

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"They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." (John 16:2)

Some protestant churches already kick Christians out of their churches because these Christians don't conform to the theologies of the churches. For example, a man was kicked out of a Pentecostal church for telling someone in the church that divorce and remarriage is adultery (Luke 16:18, Mark 10:12, Matthew 19:9, Romans 7:3, 1 Corinthians 7:11). And a man was kicked out of a Calvary Chapel church for telling the pastor that the pre-trib doctrine is wrong (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Matthew 24:29-31, 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

But John 16:2 doesn't apply to such churches, for they don't and won't kill anyone over doctrinal disputes. Jesus forbids Christians to use any force against those they consider (whether rightly or wrongly) to be their enemies (Matthew 26:52, 5:39). All that's allowed is excommunication (2 Thessalonians 3:14-15, 1 Corinthians 5:11-13).

So John 16:2 would apply only to those who say they believe in God but don't believe in the new testament, such as non-Christian religious Jews, as well as Muslims. It would also include the gnostic Luciferians who will worship Lucifer and the Antichrist during the reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4). The Antichrist will claim that he's God (2 Thessalonians 2:4). So his followers will kill Christians thinking that they're doing God service.

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"I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles [ethnos] be come in" (Romans 11:25).

Here the original Greek word "ethnos" is properly translated as "Gentiles", for in the context of Romans 11, as in the book of Romans generally, the apostle Paul uses "ethnos" to refer to the Gentile nations as opposed to the Israelites/Jews:

"I say then, Have they [the Israelites, Romans 11:7] stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles [ethnos], for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles [ethnos]; how much more their fulness? [...]; For I speak to you Gentiles [ethnos], inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles [ethnos] ... I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles [ethnos] be come in" (Romans 11:11-13,25).

"Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles [ethnos]? Yes, of the Gentiles [ethnos] also" (Romans 3:29).

"Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles [ethnos]" (Romans 9:24).

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In Matthew 23:35, the Zacharias slain between the temple and the altar could be the one in 2 Chronicles 24:20-21, which the temporal generation of Jesus' day didn't slay. And yet Jesus says to them "YE" slew Zacharias (Matthew 23:35). So the generation Jesus is talking about in Matthew 23:36 could be no mere temporal generation, but a figurative generation of the wicked of all times (Proverbs 30:11-14).

There's no proof that Berechiah (Matthew 23:35) couldn't have been another name for Jehoiada (2 Chronicles 24:20-21).

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The book of Malachi was addressed to the Jews in the time of Malachi in the 5th century B.C., after the second temple had been built.

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The curses of Deuteronomy 28:15-68, 29:25-28 for breaking the Old Covenant Mosaic law were fulfilled at the ancient destruction and Assyrian captivity of the northern kingdom of Israel (2 Kings 17:23) as well as at the subsequent destruction and Babylonian captivity of the southern kingdom of Judah (2 Kings 25:4-21).

Deuteronomy 30 foretold the people of the southern kingdom of Judah being brought back from their Babylonian captivity (Deuteronomy 30:3, Ezra 2:1) to the land (Deuteronomy 30:5) and to loving the Lord their God (Deuteronomy 30:6), while still under the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Deuteronomy 30:2), with all their heart, mind, soul, and strength, just as commanded under the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Deuteronomy 6:5).

Deuteronomy 31:17-18 foretold the curses that would come upon Israel and Judah because of their breaking of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Deuteronomy 31:16,20).

All of the curses of Deuteronomy 31:16-29, Leviticus 26:14-39 for breaking the Mosaic law had come upon Israel in ancient times, long before Jesus' first coming to abolish that law and its curse and replace it with the New Covenant at his death (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 9:15-16).

Hebrews 10:30, Psalms 50:4-5 (cf. Mark 13:27), and Daniel 12:7 (cf. Revelation 13:5-10) show that Deuteronomy 32:36 does apply to the church.
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 206:

Can you look at the blog entries at *Rev. 14:12, seems like that section is not yet in the blog.

That's right. I hope it will appear in a few days when I update that blog post during a regular reviewing/updating of the entire post. (I considered the section too small by itself to update the whole post for it.)

ThomasGuthler said in post 206:

I will restrict further posts to a handful of paragraphs per post, so that it´s not too much work at once.

Thanks.

ThomasGuthler said in post 206:

Some more old entries for review and the blog . . .

Thank you for researching and posting them.

ThomasGuthler said in post 206:

. . . do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the John 16:2 paragraphs, I hope to add a new entry under *Jn. 16:2.

Regarding the Romans 11:25 paragraphs, I hope to add a new, last section under *Rom. 11:25.

Regarding the Matthew 23:35 paragraphs, I hope to add a new section under *Mt. 23:35.

Regarding the Malachi paragraph, I hope to add a new section under *Mal. -.

Regarding the Deuteronomy 28:15-68 paragraphs, I hope to add a new section under *Deut. 28:15, and update *Deut. 32:34.

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While modern day Turkey doesn't fit perfectly with the churches of Asia (Revelation 1:11), Thyatira (Revelation 2:24-25), for example, still exists today as a city: the Turks call it "Akhisar". And it could very well still contain some believers.

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"This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke" (Numbers 19:2).

A red heifer without three white hairs could be obtained before the Orthodox Jews rebuild the temple. Or, they could simply decide to reject that non-scriptural, man-invented three-hair requirement and just take any red heifer which fulfills Numbers 19:2, just as they could reject any other insurmountable merely man-made requirements for rebuilding the temple. And they could decide, for example, that Orthodox Jews named "Cohen" must be descended from the Aaronic priesthood.

And if they are led by some false Orthodox Jewish "Messiah", he could pronounce all sorts of "dispensations from God" allowing this or that exception, so that (as he could say) "we might do God's will and commence the greater, ultimate good of rebuilding His Temple". And genealogies could be (as he could claim) "miraculously revealed" to the Messiah so that he might appoint "by the hand of God" an Aaronic high priest and Levites to serve in the temple.

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While God may have not specifically authorized Herod's building of the Wailing Wall to support an expanded Temple Mount, God accepted it, for he kept his presence in the second temple after the wall had been built (Matthew 23:21, John 2:16).

According to Jesus, God the Father dwelt in the second temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 23:21, John 2:16). That's why the temple was able to sanctify the gold of the temple (Matthew 23:17), and the altar of the temple was able to sanctify the gifts on the altar (Matthew 23:19).

Jesus railed against corrupt practices in the temple, because it was still God the Father's house (John 2:16); God the Father was still dwelling inside the temple in the time of Jesus (Matthew 23:21).

When non-Christian Jews worship at the Wailing Wall, they in no way worship the wall itself, which Herod built, but are simply trying to get as close as they can to the second-temple experience of God's presence. The problem, of course, is that in rejecting Jesus they reject God (John 1:1,14, 10:30, 20:28, 1 John 2:22-23), and their forbears' rejection of Jesus/God at his first coming resulted in the whole of Jerusalem being left spiritually desolate of God's special presence until Jesus' second coming (Matthew 23:38-39).

That's why when Christians go to Jerusalem today and pray at the Wailing Wall or even walk inside the Dome of the Rock, built over the very site of the Holy of holies of the second temple, if they are honest with themselves, they have to admit that there is simply no special spiritual presence of God in these places. Yet they can go back to their hotel room and open up their Bible and begin reading and immediately feel that special presence.

When Christians go to Jerusalem today and pray at the Wailing Wall, that isn't idolatry because they aren't praying to the wall or worshipping the wall in any way, but are simply acknowledging that the wall was part of God's second temple in which he dwelt during the time of Jesus' first coming (Matthew 23:21, John 2:16), and that the wall is located where Jesus will build a fourth temple at his second coming (Zechariah 14:20-21, 6:12-13).

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The name Mihai is from the Hebrew "Michael": it's asking the question, "Who is like the Lord?", and so is exactly the opposite of being descriptive, as in the person with that name claiming to be like the Lord.

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… the Hebrew word translated as "consuming" in Deuteronomy 4:24 doesn't mean completely destroying or consuming, for it is used to refer to some people being "devoured" by fire (Leviticus 10:2), and yet even their bodies remained in existence (Leviticus 10:5); they weren't annihilated.

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Psalms 75:2 refers to Jesus' judgment of the church (2 Corinthians 5:10-11, Romans 14:10-12, Luke 12:47-48) at the second coming (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27), which won't happen until after the tribulation (Mark 13:24-27, Revelation 19:7-21).

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"When I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly" (Psalms 75:2).

This refers to the receiving of the Church to Jesus in the air at His second coming:

"I will come again, and receive you unto myself" (John 14:3).

"... we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

This coming of Jesus and "catching up together" of the Church to Him is the same as the coming of Jesus and the "gathering together" of the Church to Him:

"... the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him" (2 Thessalonians 2:1).

Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 show that this coming of Jesus and "gathering together" of the Church to Him will happen "after the tribulation".

"... and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven" (Mark 13:27).

"He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me" (Psalms 50:4-5).

So the statement "When I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly" (Psalms 75:2) is referring to Jesus' judgment of the Church in the sky after it has been gathered together to Him in the sky after the tribulation. The Church will also be married to Jesus in the sky at that time (Revelation 19:7).

After the Church has been judged and married in the sky, it will mount white horses and descend back down from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) to the earth as He brings judgment and wrath upon the world (Revelation 19:11-21), before setting up His millennial kingdom on the earth (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29).

Regarding Psalms 75:3: "The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved", this refers to what will happen after the millennium and a subsequent event, at the great white throne judgment:

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away" (Revelation 20:11).

"... the first heaven and the first earth were passed away" (Revelation 21:1).
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 208:

Some more old entries for review and the blog . . .

Thank you for researching and re-posting them.

ThomasGuthler said in post 208:

. . . do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Revelation 1:11 paragraph, its basic idea is contained within paragraph 2b of *Rev. 3:3, which entry is quoted below for those who do not wish to go to the blog:

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This was addressed to the literal, first century AD local church congregation in the city of Sardis (Revelation 3:1) in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) regarding Jesus visiting that congregation spiritually (not physically) in judgment if it did not repent. Compare 1 Corinthians 5:3, where the apostle Paul said that he had judged someone in a congregation by his spiritual presence despite his being absent from that congregation physically. Revelation 2:5 and Revelation 2:16 can be understood in this same, spiritual sense with regard to the literal, local church congregations in Ephesus and Pergamos.

Also, regarding Revelation 2:25, it did not require that Jesus would ever actually come physically sometime before the first century AD members of the literal, local church congregation in Thyatira died off, just as, for example, Matthew 5:18 did not require that heaven and earth had to pass away sometime before Jesus abolished the letter of the Old Covenant law, which he did on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6). Also, the first century AD city of Thyatira still exists today as a thriving city, in Turkey, where Christians still live. So Revelation 2:25 can include an encouragement to Christians living in that city still today to keep the faith until Jesus' physical, second coming, whether or not they will die before it occurs."

ThomasGuthler said in post 208:

Some more old entries for review and the blog, do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Numbers 19:2 paragraphs, I hope to add a new section under the *priesthood section of *Rev. 11:1.

Regarding the Matthew 23:21 paragraphs, I hope to add a new section 2 to *Mt. 24:2.

Regarding the Daniel 12:1-2 paragraph, I hope to add a new section 3 to *Dan. 12:1.

Regarding the Deuteronomy 4:24 paragraph, I hope to add a new section 1 to *Deut. 4:24.

Regarding the Psalms 75:2 paragraphs, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Ps. 75:2.

Regarding the Psalms 75:3 paragraphs, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Ps. 75:3.

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Does 1 Corinthians 14:29b mean someone with the gift of prophecy can prophesy something wrong?

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If Isaiah 27:1 is referring to the slaying of Satan, then it won't be fulfilled until after the millennium (Revelation 20:7-10), just as Psalm 75:3 won't be fulfilled until after the millennium (Revelation 20:11, cf. 21:1).

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Eating wasn't the problem with Lucifer, pride was (Ezekiel 28:17). But his having to eat, as all angels may have to eat (Psalms 78:25), could have been instituted by God as a reminder to him of his total dependence on God for his continued existence, to help him to remain humble before God. Lucifer either forgot the reason why God has His creatures need to eat, or he thought that he could provide his own food forever even in rebellion against God, or he was rebelling precisely against the whole dependence-on-God thing (Matthew 6:11), unable to bear it, and so was driven by his pride to rebel against God no matter what the ultimate consequences, even if it meant he would ultimately be completely cut off from all life and be cast into the eternal torment of the second death, the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10,15, 21:8, Matthew 25:41,46).

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The devil could descend to the earth with his angels (they could be seen as aliens) on the same mid-tribulation day that the human who is the Antichrist (the beast) is empowered by the devil (Revelation 13:4, 2 Thessalonians 2:9) and commits the abomination of desolation (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15).

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The dragon in Revelation 16:13 is Satan (Revelation 12:9, 20:2). The three unclean spirits like frogs who will come out of his mouth, the mouth of the Antichrist, and the mouth of the False Prophet in Revelation 16:13 are the spirits of devils who (near the very end of the tribulation) will go forth to all the leaders of countries on the earth and perform miracles before them which will convince them to gather their armies together to Armageddon (Har Megiddo -- Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) in an attempt to fight Jesus at His return from heaven (Revelation 16:14,16, 19:19-21).

The three unclean spirits like frogs in Revelation 16:13 are three spirits of devils (Revelation 16:14) who could be anywhere at this time, living in any person or animal (cf. Mark 5:13) or just wandering over the earth (cf. Matthew 12:43). But by the time of Revelation 16:13 they will have come to live in Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet.

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Nahum 3:4 could refer to Mystery Babylon while she sat upon Nineveh (Nahum 2:8), the capital of the ancient Assyrian Empire, which empire could have been the second head of the beast upon which Mystery Babylon sits (Revelation 17:10).

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Acts 8:1-3 doesn't make Jerusalem the harlot of Babylon in her entirety, for Jerusalem isn't responsible for the death of every martyr on the earth (Revelation 18:24). The Romans killed many Christians outside of Jerusalem, and after the destruction of Jerusalem, for example during the persecution against Christians which came upon all the Roman world during the reign of Domitian (cf. Revelation 2:10, 3:10).

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The Babylonian curtain in the temple which Josephus describes would not make Jerusalem the figurative Babylon in its entirety, but could simply be an outward sign of how corruption had entered into Jewish religious practice.

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Ahaz' replacement of the original altar of the first temple by another of a pagan design as the place where the Old Covenant animal sacrifices would be offered in front of the temple (2 Kings 16:10-16), reserving the original altar as the place where Ahaz would make enquiries to YHWH (2 Kings 16:15b), although it was wrong to do, isn't referred to as an abomination of desolation.

The pagan shrines which King Manasseh erected throughout the first temple complex (2 Kings 21:5, 2 Chronicles 33:5), including within the temple (2 Kings 21:4,7, 2 Chronicles 33:4,7), are referred to as abominations (2 Kings 21:2,11, 2 Chronicles 33:2), because of which God would later bring physical desolation to all of Jerusalem and Judah (2 Kings 21:12-14, 23:26-27, Jeremiah 15:4), even despite God's accepting of King Manasseh's personal repentance (2 Chronicles 33:12-13), cleansing of the temple from all pagan altars (2 Chronicles 33:15), and restoration of the original altar and Old Covenant animal sacrifices (2 Chronicles 33:16).

While Manasseh placed a statue of the Phoenician goddess Asherah (Astarte) in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem (2 Kings 21:7, "grove" in the original Hebrew is "Asherah"), the Antichrist, after he sits in the temple and proclaims himself the supreme God (2 Thessalonians 2:4), could place in the temple a statue of himself to be worshipped (Daniel 11:31b, Matthew 24:15).

What Manasseh did in 2 Kings 21:4-9 was different than what the Antichrist will do in the future at the abomination of desolation, insofar as the Antichrist will sit in the temple and say that he himself is the supreme God (Daniel 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 210:

Does 1 Corinthians 14:29b mean someone with the gift of prophecy can prophesy something wrong?

Yes, for the gift of prophecy (1 Corinthians 12:8-10) does not take away free will. I.e. someone with the gift of prophecy can still wrongly use his (or her) free will to speak something forth as a "prophecy" which is in fact just his own idea, or one that he likes a lot and is sure must be from God.

Also, prophecies given forth in a church meeting can be "judged" (1 Corinthians 14:29) in the same way that we might judge some "tradition" which has been passed down in the church.

I.e. there are incorrect traditions from fallible men (Colossians 2:8; 1 Peter 1:18), which contradict God's Word (Mark 7:13). And there are correct traditions from God's Word (2 Thessalonians 2:15, 2 Thessalonians 3:6; 2 Timothy 3:16, John 17:17, John 8:31b). There are also man-made traditions which, even though they do not contradict God's Word, they go beyond it (cf. 1 Corinthians 4:6b), and so they are not binding on Christians, who can choose for themselves whether or not they will follow such traditions (cf. Romans 14:5-6).

ThomasGuthler said in post 210:

Some more old entries for review and the blog . . .

Thank you for retrieving and reposting them.

ThomasGuthler said in post 210:

. . . do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Isaiah 27:1 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Isa. 27:1.

Regarding the Ezekiel 28:17 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Ezek. 28:17.

Regarding the Revelation 13:4 paragraph, I am not sure if its "same day" idea is correct, or even significant. But the paragraph brought to mind paragraphs 7-8 of *Details, and paragraph 4 of section 2 of *Rev. 13. Also, the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15) may not be *2 Thes. 2:4, but the placing of the Antichrist's image in the temple (see paragraph 5 of *Image).

Regarding the Revelation 16:13 paragraphs, their basic idea is covered by, for example, paragraph 2 of *Rev. 16. Also, regarding the possible origin of unclean spirits like frogs (Revelation 16:13), see paragraph 4 of the second-to-last section of *Gen. 1.

Regarding the Nahum 3:4 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Nah. 3:4.

Regarding the Acts 8:1-3 paragraph and the subsequent "Babylonian curtain" paragraph, see *Mt. 23:35, which is quoted below for those who may not wish to go to the blog:

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Regarding the symbolic "Babylon" in Revelation chapters 17-18: Matthew 23:35-37 could mean that at the time that Jesus spoke Matthew 23:35, in God's eyes Jerusalem was, as it were, the "crowning city" (cf. Isaiah 23:8) of mankind's corrupt religions, one leg of the corrupt world-system represented by Revelation's "Babylon" (Revelation 18:24). Today in God's eyes, Jerusalem may again be the "crowning city" of mankind's corrupt religions, as it is held sacred by three different religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam), two of which are the largest in the world (Christianity and Islam).

But Revelation's symbolic "Babylon", in its entirety, represents all of fallen mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10)."

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Some more old entries for review and the blog, do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the 2 Kings 16:10-16 paragraphs, I hope to add a new blog entry under *2 Kin. 16:10.

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Psalms 27:5 will happen during the tribulation for those in the church who will flee into protected places in the wilderness (Revelation 12:6), the mountains (Matthew 24:16). Compare Psalms 91, Ephesians 6:13.

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[Revelation 7:14 is the same great tribulation as Matthew 24:21?]

"The great tribulation" is found in Revelation 7:14, in the original Greek (cf. NIV). It's the coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18, immediately after which will occur the second coming and rapture (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7).

The great tribulation referred to in Revelation 7:14 includes not only Revelation 6, but all the rest of Revelation chapters 6-18 as well. Jesus won't come to gather together (rapture) the church until after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31) of Revelation chapters 6-18, in Revelation 19. That's why the marriage doesn't happen until Revelation 19:7. Jesus' coming to gather together (rapture) the church (2 Thessalonians 2:1) must destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:8), just as we see Jesus destroying the Antichrist in Revelation 19:20.

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Revelation 22:11 is hyperbole to stress how close the coming of Christ was even in the first century (Revelation 22:12a,10), from the viewpoint of God (2 Peter 3:8), who has waited so long to send Jesus back precisely so that a lot of people would have time to repent and get saved (2 Peter 3:9).

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Revelation 22:18

Q: If a person who lived in say, AD 400, were to add to the words of the book of Revelation, how exactly would God add the plagues to him, since the plagues would not occur for many years later?

A: God could bring the same plagues on such an individual personally after that person's resurrection.

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Zechariah 6:12 refers to God-made-flesh Jesus, whose own body of flesh is a temple (John 2:21), making the bodies of flesh of his people into temples now (1 Corinthians 6:19), and building them together into a greater temple of the church now (Ephesians 2:20-22), and also at his second coming building a literal temple-building in Jerusalem for use during the millennium (Zechariah 14:20-21).

Note that Zechariah 6:12-13 could include reference to the literal temple building which will exist in Jerusalem during the millennium: [(Zechariah 14:20-21)]. Jesus could build this temple building in Jerusalem after his second coming, which had just been described earlier in the chapter (Zechariah 14:3-21). So the throne and ruling of Zechariah 6:13 would be the throne of David (Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7) which Jesus will rule from on the earth in Jerusalem (Micah 4:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-21) with the church during the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29).

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Even though we are saved in this world, it remains a dark and gloomy place spiritually (1 John 5:19).

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"The heads of leviathan" (Psalms 74:14) refers to the literal seven heads of Satan:

"A great red dragon, having seven heads" (Revelation 12:3).

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Mary should never be denigrated or dishonored in any way. But Jesus nonetheless diverted people's attention away from any focusing on her and directed them to focus instead on God's word and doing his will (Luke 11:27-28, Matthew 12:47-50).

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Could the entire Marian phenomena of the past be employed by the Antichrist to bring some Catholics into his deception? If so, how? And what about Satan creating some future Marian phenomena for this purpose: are most Catholics who believe in the validity of all past Marian phenomena well-schooled enough in Biblical doctrine to be able to recognize any shifts in doctrine which might be parlayed through any such future, purported apparitions of "Mary"? Could any such future apparitions even succeed in leading some Catholic Christians gently down the road toward the endtime apostasy? (1 Timothy 4:1, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, 2 Thessalonians 2:3).
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 212:

Some more old entries for review and the blog . . .

Thank you for finding and reposting them.

ThomasGuthler said in post 212:

. . . do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Psalms 27:5 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Ps. 27:5.

Regarding the Revelation 7:14 paragraphs, in the original Greek there actually is no "the" before "great tribulation" in Revelation 7:14 or Matthew 24:21, even though Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 both describe the same future tribulation. Revelation 7:14 refers to the multitude coming out of the Revelation 6 part of the tribulation, and Matthew 24:21 refers to the Revelation chapters 11 to 18 part of the tribulation. Regarding some other points in the Revelation 7:14 paragraphs, they seem to be covered by the blog entry under *Mt. 24:31.

Regarding the Revelation 22:11 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Rev. 22:11.

Regarding the Revelation 22:18 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Rev. 22:18.

Regarding the Zechariah 6:12 paragraphs, I would focus on the ideas covered by the current blog entries under *Zech. 14:20 and *Zech. 6:13. But I hope to add a section 2 to *Zech. 6:12 which simply points to *Zech. 14:20. Also, I hope to add a section 3 to *Zech. 6:12 which simply points to paragraphs 4-5 of *Acts 1:6.

Regarding the 1 John 5:19 paragraph, I would see it as redundant to the verse itself.

Regarding the Psalms 74:14 paragraphs, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Ps. 74:14.

Regarding the Luke 11:27-28 paragraph, I hope to add a new blog entry under *Lk. 11:27.

Regarding the Marian phenomena paragraph, I hope to add a new section under the *Fatima section of *Rev. 13:11.

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Regarding the Zechariah 6:12 paragraphs, I would focus on the ideas covered by the current blog entries under *Zech. 14:20 and *Zech. 6:13. But I hope to add a section 2 to *Zech. 6:12 which simply points to *Zech. 14:20. Also, I hope to add a section 3 to *Zech. 6:12 which simply points to paragraphs 4-5 of *Acts 1:6.

Regarding section 3 (his throne), it should be added to *Zech. 6:13 instead of *Zech. 6:12?

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Habakkuk could be referring to the ancient Chaldeans (Habakkuk 1:6) in the days of Habakkuk (Habakkuk 1:5). The Hebrew word translated as "end" in Habakkuk 2:3 can be translated simply as "after" (Daniel 11:13).

Habakkuk 1:5-6 could have been fulfilled by the ancient Chaldeans who conquered ancient Jerusalem in 586 BC. In that case, "at the end" (Habakkuk 2:3) could mean at the end of the ancient period of time between the time that the vision was given and the "appointed time" (Habakkuk 2:3) when it was fulfilled: compare Jeremiah 52:8 & Habakkuk 1:8; compare Jeremiah 52:14-15 & Habakkuk 1:9; compare Jeremiah 52:10-11 & Habakkuk 1:10a; and compare Jeremiah 52:5,7a & Habakkuk 1:10b.

[Habakkuk chapters 1-2 would include the ancient Chaldeans' conquering of various nations, not just Judah. And Habakkuk 3 could extend into the 2nd coming.]

In Acts 13:40-41, Paul wasn't saying that the Chaldeans were going to come (Habakkuk 1:5-6) upon the unbelieving Jews in Antioch in Pisidia (Acts 13:14) in the first century; he was warning them, using the principle of Habakkuk 1:5 alone as a type, not to disbelieve God the Father's work through Jesus Christ (Acts 13:38-39).

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Zechariah 8:13 can include genetic Jews from every tribe of Israel, just as Acts 2:36,22,5 and Acts 26:7 do.

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Romans 10:19 means that some elect Jews have gotten saved (ever since Acts 10:45 down until our own time) because they were jealous over the salvation of Gentiles.

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Paul was right in Romans 11:11b to view Deuteronomy 32:21 as a prophecy that was being fulfilled in the time he was living. But nowhere does Paul say or imply that Deuteronomy 32:21 was a prophecy that would be completely fulfilled in the time he was living, for some unsaved Jews have continued to be moved to jealousy by saved Gentiles during the thousands of years since the time Paul was alive in the first century.

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Revelation 13:1 says, in the original Greek, that John sees on the seven heads "names of blasphemy". This doesn't mean that the past empires were named "Blasphemy", as in "Hey, Blasphemy, come over here", or "Blasphemy! Dinner time!" Instead, it means that all of the past empires set up the names of gods other than the God of the Bible as the supreme God.

Names of blasphemy could mean names which usurp the place of God, such as human rulers which claim to be divine, or which claim other gods other than God to be the supreme deity. Such has been the case with past, pagan empires, seven of which are represented by the seven heads of the symbolic beast.

The empire of the Antichrist having a mouth "as the mouth of a lion" (Revelation 13:2) could mean that the Antichrist will call it the empire of Babylon revived, for the empire of the Antichrist has to be a revival of one of the five empires which had fallen by the time of John the apostle (Revelation 17:8-11): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, or Greece.

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Daniel 11:14a could refer to a future time when many nations will stand up against Egypt and its hegemon the U.S. for their support of Israel. Daniel 11:14b could refer to some ultra-Orthodox Jews blowing up the Dome of the Rock in order to clear the site for their rebuilding of the temple.

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The Bible does say that the Antichrist is someone "to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom" (Daniel 11:21).

Daniel 11:21 would be in line with some Arab, say from Lebanon, being given control of a Baathist confederation of Iraq, Syria (including "Palestine", i.e. a defeated Israel), and Egypt. His not being given the "honor of the kingdom" could simply mean that he will be given only pro tempore control, until, say "proper elections can be held".

That he will "obtain the kingdom by flatteries" could mean that he will obtain control by huge bribes paid to the generals.

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Daniel 11:24b could refer to the Antichrist sending missiles against some Arab areas holding out against joining his United Arab States.

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The holy covenant which the Antichrist will have indignation against and which his Jewish quislings in Jerusalem will have forsaken (Daniel 11:30) would be the still-holy Old Covenant (Romans 7:12), which many unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem have forsaken in their desire to be free from any religious control over their lives. The way that the Antichrist could corrupt these Jews by flatteries (Daniel 11:32) could be to teach them that THEY are God, and so can do as they please, in the sense that the "New Age" teaches that all men are God and shouldn't bind themselves by any religious rules, or concepts such as "sin". Of course, the Antichrist, even if he teaches this, will still insist that everyone worship him and Lucifer (Revelation 13:4-8), whom he could present to the world as (what he could call) "the highest and most perfect manifestation of the God Consciousness of which all men are a part". [He could say that all men are gods (cf. Psalms 82:6, John 10:34), just not as advanced yet as Lucifer.]

But there will be some unsaved elect Jews (whether ultra-Orthodox or not) who will not fall under the Antichrist's spell, and so will refuse to worship him or his image or receive his mark on their hand or forehead, thereby escaping the eternal damnation which will be the price of doing these things (Revelation 14:9-11). And some of these unsaved elect Jews will escape the death sentence from the Antichrist for refusing to worship his image (Revelation 13:15), so that they will still be alive at the second coming, when Jesus will destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:8, Revelation 19:20) and save all of them (Romans 11:26-31, Zechariah 12:10-14).
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 214:

Regarding section 3 (his throne), it should be added to *Zech. 6:13 instead of *Zech. 6:12?

That's right. Thank you for pointing that out. So I hope to move section 3 of blog entry *Zech. 6:12 to section 2 of *Zech. 6:13.

ThomasGuthler said in post 214:

Some more old entries for review and the blog . . .

Thank you for finding and reposting them.

ThomasGuthler said in post 214:

. . . do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the first Habakkuk paragraph, it seems correct, and so affects *Heb. 10:37, which I hope to modify slightly. I also hope to add new entries under *Hab. 1:6 and *Hab. 2:3, the former incorporating parts of the other Habakkuk paragraphs.

Regarding the Acts 13:40-41 paragraph, I hope to add a new entry under *Acts 13:40-41.

Regarding the Zechariah 8:13 paragraph, I hope to add a new entry under *Zech. 8:13.

Regarding the Romans 10:19 paragraph, I hope to add a new entry under *Rom. 10:19.

Regarding the Romans 11:11b paragraph, I hope to add a new entry under *Rom. 11:11b.

Regarding the Revelation 13:1 paragraphs, I hope to add a new, last section under *Rev. 13:1.

Regarding the Daniel 11:14a paragraph, I hope to add a new entry under *Dan. 11:14.

Regarding the Daniel 11:21 paragraphs, they seem to be covered by section 2 of *Dan. 11:21.

Regarding the Daniel 11:24b paragraph, I hope to add a section under *Dan. 11:24.

Regarding the Daniel 11:30 paragraphs, I hope to replace section 2 of *Dan. 11:30.

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Regarding Revelation 14:4, the children of Israel (Revelation 7:4) are among men, and Jesus told Israelites who would later also become the church that virginity is a good thing (Matthew 19:12).

Those in Revelation 14:4 are indeed virgins, and with Israel virginity is not to be bewailed under the New Covenant, for both Jesus and Paul (both Jews) praised virginity as the best thing for a man (Matthew 19:10-12, 1 Corinthians 7:1,7-8,32-33,35).

Even under the abolished Old Covenant male virginity wasn't bewailed. Exodus 23:26, Deuteronomy 7:14, 1 Samuel 2:5, and Psalms 113:9 didn't bewail male virginity; they simply referred to married women being blessed with children. Virginity and sterility are two completely different things. Sterility in a marriage can be bewailed without this having anything to do with male virginity, for the latter refers only to males who never get married and have sex.

The fact that the daughter of Jephthah bewailed her virginity (Judges 11:38) would have no bearing on male virginity, and it wouldn't apply at all to New Covenant Israel, in which even female virginity is praised as the best thing for a woman (1 Corinthians 7:34-35).

Female Christians shouldn't get mad about Revelation 14:4, just as they shouldn't get mad about Luke 6:13-16, or 1 Timothy 2:11-14, or 1 Corinthians 14:34-37, or 1 Corinthians 11:3-16, or Ephesians 5:22.

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Nothing in Zechariah 4 says or requires the two olive trees in Zechariah 4:11 or Revelation 11:4 are two churches, instead of two individual men who stand by the Lord (Zechariah 4:14) [on each side of which the two olive trees stand (cf. Mark 9:4)], just as Moses and Elijah were seen standing by the Lord in Luke 9:30.

The candlestick imagery in Zechariah 4 represents something different than the candlestick imagery in Revelation 1, just as the candlestick imagery in Revelation 1 represents something different than the candlestick imagery in Revelation 11.

There are not one, but seven different candlesticks in Revelation 1:12. Jesus is not them, but was instead simply standing in the midst of the seven different candlesticks (Revelation 1:13), which represented seven different first-century local church congregations in seven cities in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:20, 1:11).

Similarly, there is not one, but two different candlesticks in Revelation 11:4. They represent neither Jesus nor two first-century local church congregations in two cities in the Roman province of "Asia", but instead represent two individual men who stand by the Lord (Revelation 11:4), the same two men who were represented as two olive trees in Zechariah 4:11,14. That's why in Revelation 11:3-4, the same two men, the same two witnesses, are called both two olive trees and two candlesticks.

Note that in Revelation 11:3-4 each of the two witnesses can be represented by one olive tree and one candlestick at the same time, just as, for example, Jesus can be represented by both a lion and a lamb at the same time (Revelation 5:5-6).

Just because a symbol represents one thing in one instance in scripture doesn't mean that it has to represent the same thing in every other instance in scripture. For example, while a lion represents Satan in 1 Peter 5:8, it represents Jesus in Revelation 5:5.

Even in Revelation, the same symbol can represent different things at different times. For example, while the "lamb" in Revelation 5:6 is Jesus, the "lamb" much later in Revelation 13:11 is the False Prophet.

Similarly, just because the seven "candlesticks" in Revelation 1:20 were seven first-century local church congregations in seven cities in the Roman province in "Asia" (Revelation 1:11), this in no way requires that the two "candlesticks" seen seen much later in Revelation 11:4 (during the coming tribulation) have to be two first-century local church congregations in two cities in the Roman province in "Asia". Instead, the two "candlesticks" in Revelation 11:4 can simply be two individual men.

The two witnesses could be spoken of in the present tense as the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth (Revelation 11:4) because they are Moses and Elijah, who could presently stand before Jesus in heaven just as they stood before Jesus on earth at the transfiguration (Matthew 17:3).

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Revelation 11:1b-10 could be a speech by an angel to John, but what comes after that John saw in a vision; that's why the tense changes to past tense beginning with verse 11.

John could have been told Revelation 11:2-10, much of which is in the future tense. But John saw Revelation 11:11-19, much of which is in the past tense.

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Nothing about Revelation 11:6 requires that people won't do any building (Luke 17:28) during the time of the two witnesses.

People will still have to eat and drink (Luke 17:28) during the time of the two witnesses.

The way that people plant (Luke 17:28) when there's no rain (Revelation 11:6) is by irrigation (Deuteronomy 11:10-11).

Nothing about the two witnesses tormenting the people of the world (Revelation 11:10) requires that they won't be planting, building, eating, drinking, etc. (Luke 17:27-28) during that time, or after that time while the two witnesses are lying dead in the street (Revelation 11:8-10), or after the two witnesses have resurrected and ascended into heaven and there are 75 more days until the second coming (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15).

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Q: The Holy Scriptures say that no prophet is accepted in his own country.

A: Note that nothing requires that the two witnesses/prophets (Revelation 11:3-12) will be accepted by unsaved Israel during the time of their testimony.

Note that no scripture refers to people getting converted by the two witnesses, for they could be two witnesses against the wicked (cf. Deuteronomy 17:6, Deuteronomy 19:15). They will be prophets of judgment who will torment the wicked with plagues (Revelation 11:3-10).

Also, note that no scripture refers to the 144,000 as Jewish evangelists, or to anyone getting converted by the 144,000.

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Micah 7:2 is hyperbole, for there will still be faithful Christians on the earth during the tribulation (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4). And some of them won't "perish" (Micah 7:2) during that time (Revelation 12:6,14-16, Revelation 16:15), but will still be "alive and remain" at the second coming of Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).

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Revelation 9:20 doesn't require that there won't be any believers on the earth at the sixth trumpet, for it could mean that the rest of the unbelievers won't repent; just as Revelation 13:3-10 means that all of the non-elect unbelievers will worship the dragon and the Antichrist, not that all of the believers and elect unbelievers still alive on the earth at that time will worship the dragon and the Antichrist.

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When Revelation 12:10 says "Now is come salvation", it doesn't mean that "Now is come the rapture", just as when Luke 19:9 says "This day is salvation come", it doesn't mean that "This day is the rapture come". Instead, both Revelation 12:10 and Luke 19:9 are referring to particular instances of God's working out of His salvation of believers. Revelation 12:10 is simply when He will save believers from any further accusations from Satan before God in heaven.

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There are three different great cities in Revelation:

1. The great city in Revelation 11:8 and Revelation 16:19 is the literal city of Jerusalem, where Jesus was crucified.

2. The great city in Revelation 17:18 and Revelation 18:10 is the symbolic harlot/city of Babylon, which represents all of mankinds corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the world (Revelation 18:3) and throughout history (Revelation 17:10).

3. The great city in Revelation 21:10 is the literal city of New Jerusalem, which is now in heaven.
 
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ThomasGuthler said in post 216:

Some more old entries for review and the blog . . .

Thank you for finding and reposting them.

ThomasGuthler said in post 216:

. . . do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Revelation 14:4 paragraphs, I hope to add a new, last section under *Rev. 7:4.

Regarding the Zechariah 4 paragraphs, they seem to be mostly covered by *Rev. 11:3, *Rev. 11:4, *Rev. 1:12b, and *Zech. 4. But I hope to add a paragraph 3 to *Rev. 1:12b.

Regarding the Revelation 11:1b-10 paragraphs, I hope to modify section 2 of *Rev. 11:3.

Regarding the Revelation 11:6 paragraphs, the view which they are countering may be too rare to bother with.

Regarding the Revelation 11:3 paragraphs, they seem to be partly covered by the last paragraph of *Rev. 11:3. But I hope to add a section 3 to *Rev. 11:3.

Regarding the Micah 7:2 paragraph, I would stick with the current *Mic. 7:2.

Regarding the Revelation 9:20 paragraph, I hope to add a new entry under *Rev. 9:20.

Regarding the Revelation 12:10 paragraph, I hope to add a paragraph 2 to *Rev. 12:10.

Regarding the Revelation 11:8 paragraphs, they seem to be mostly covered by section 1 and the "great city" section of *Rev. chs. 17-18, and by *Rev. 16:19. But I hope to slightly modify the "great city" section of *Rev. chs. 17-18.

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Ezekiel 30:10-11 can refer to the future Antichrist. For it is said that the ancient Nebuchadnezzar didn't destroy Egypt. (The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned. Cf. the *Heads section of *Rev. 13:1.)

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2 John 1:7-10

So Christians cannot even welcome into their homes anyone claiming to be a Christian who teaches the lie that Jesus Christ is not in the flesh, not in a fully-human body. This shows how crucial the doctrine of Christ-in-the-flesh is to the true Christian faith.

Because it is so crucial, Satan will no doubt try to completely obliterate the true Christ-in-the-flesh doctrine during the coming world-reign (Revelation 13:7) of the man commonly called the "Antichrist", who "shall come" (1 John 2:18).

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If the European Commission has divided the world into 10 regions, then when the Antichrist begins his 42-month openly-Luciferian world-reign (Revelation 13:4-8), he could appoint over the 10 world-regions Presidents (or even "Kings", compared to what could his own title of "World Emperor" or "King of Kings"), thus fulfilling Revelation 17:12's requirement that the 10 kings will receive power only during the reign of the Antichrist. If they are appointed by the Antichrist, Revelation 17:13 would mean that they will remain loyal and completely subservient to him.

Another possibility is that the ten kings of Revelation 17:12 will instead be placed by the Antichrist over 10 major nations the territory of which used to be part of the Roman Empire, for the ten kings of Revelation 17:12 could be the same as the ten toes/kings of Daniel 2:42,44 which extend from the Roman Empire (Daniel 2:40), and the same as the ten horns/kings of Daniel 7:24 which extend from the Roman Empire (Daniel 7:23).

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Bearing false witness means lying about someone else to their harm (e.g. 1 Kings 21:13). Rahab was not condemned for saying something untrue which was not to anyone's harm, and which saved the lives to two men (Joshua 2:3-24, James 2:25).

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The Antichrist will attack Jerusalem at least three separate times. He will first attack Jerusalem when he defeats an ultra-Orthodox Jewish "Messiah"/"prince of the covenant" and then "cuts" a seven-year treaty with him (Daniel 11:22-23, 9:26-27). Two or three years later, the Antichrist will attack Jerusalem again when he breaks that treaty, stops the daily sacrifices (Daniel 9:27b), attacks the temple, and enters into the temple and proclaims himself God (Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15, 2 Thessalonians 2:4). Jerusalem will then be trodden down by the Gentiles during the 42 months of the Antichrist's reign (Revelation 11:2b, 13:5b). Then, at the very end of the tribulation, the Antichrist will attack Jerusalem again, right before Jesus returns (Zechariah 14:2-5) and destroys the Antichrist (Revelation 19:20, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9, Isaiah 30:31).

Note that it hasn't been said that all of the future attacks on Jerusalem will be made by the Antichrist. For a predecessor to the Antichrist, an Iraqi Baathist General, could make an attack on Jerusalem (and leave a siege against its walled Old City) when he defeats both Israel and Egypt (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17, the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath") with a massive Iraqi Army built up by the U.S. to defeat Iran instead (with the idea of ending Iran's nuclear-weapons program and extremist regime). Also, a thousand years after the Antichrist, the Gog/Magog event will involve an attack on Jerusalem (Revelation 20:7-9, Ezekiel chapters 38-39)

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It doesn't matter that the original Hebrew word translated as "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 is transliterated as "HYLL", just as it doesn't matter that the original Greek word translated as "Jesus" in Matthew 1:1 is transliterated as "Iesous". We can still refer to Lucifer as "Lucifer", just as we can still refer to Jesus as "Jesus".

"Lucifer" literally means the morning star, just as the Hebrew word transliterated as "HYLL" literally means the morning star, so "Lucifer" is an excellent translation of "HYLL".

"Lucifer" (Isaiah 14:12) could be a proper name for the devil in the sense that any functional title, such as "Smith", "Carpenter", "Taylor" can be a proper name. "Lucifer", like the original Hebrew "heylel", means the morning star, and so could apply as a title to one serving in a function with relation to God the Father similar to how the morning star functions in relation to the sun, that is, as the brightest herald.

The devil could have held the office of morning star before he fell from it through rebellion and became "Satan" (Luke 10:18), a title which means "The Adversary". Jesus, as a man, has taken over the office of morning star (Revelation 22:16). But it would be best not to address Jesus by the title "Lucifer" for fear of invoking the devil instead, for many of the devil's followers still call upon him by that name and even call themselves Luciferians. The Antichrist will bring the whole world into the worship of the dragon the devil (Revelation 13:4, 12:9), probably under the name Lucifer, as opposed to the name Satan, which the Antichrist could instead apply solely to YHWH, whom he will utterly revile (Revelation 13:6).

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Revelation 1:7, just like Revelation 5:9, 7:9, and 13:7, is referring to all kindreds (Greek: "phule"), of the earth, no matter whether they're Jewish or Gentile. The fact that the Greek word phule can also be used to refer to Jewish kindreds (tribes) only, such as in Matthew 19:28, in no way restricts the meaning of that Greek word to Jewish kindreds (tribes) only. Nothing requires that the Greek word "ethnos" has to also occur in a statement for the Greek word "phule" in a statement to be able to refer to all kindreds, no matter whether they're Jewish or Gentile.

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"17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is YHWH, art the most high over all the earth." (Psalms 83:17-18)

This can refer to after the millennium (Revelation 20:7-9).

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Isaiah 28:5 could refer to Jesus during his millennial reign on the earth (Zechariah 14:9).

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Isaiah 54:1-2 (cf. Galatians 4:27) is addressing the earthly Zion, the Church, as it partakes of the salvation of the New Covenant and the heavenly Zion (cf. Galatians 4:24-27).

But regarding Isaiah 54:1-2, it may also refer to the literal, earthly Jerusalem, when it comes into salvation at the 2nd coming (e.g. Isaiah 4:3-6), and is exalted during the millennium (e.g. Isaiah 2:2-4).

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Isaiah 60:10-11 doesn't refer to Israel currently, but to Jerusalem during the coming millennium (Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-4).

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Mark 14:25 means that Jesus won't drink wine until the millennial kingdom has arrived.
 
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ThomasGuthler Newbie said in post 218:

Some more old entries for review and the blog . . .

Thank you for finding and reposting them.

ThomasGuthler Newbie said in post 218:

. . . do you have any new thoughts about them?

Regarding the Ezekiel 30:10-11 paragraph, I hope to add a blog entry under *Ezek. 30:10.

Regarding the 2 John 1:7-10 paragraphs, I hope to make additions to *2 Jn. 1:7.

Regarding the ten kings paragraphs, I will go with the second paragraph, which seems to be covered by *Dan. 7, *Rev. 17:12, and the ten *kings section of *Rev. 13:1.

Regarding the Rahab paragraph, I am not sure about that one, due to the condemnation of all liars in Revelation 21:8. But that would refer only to unrepentant liars (1 John 1:9).

Regarding the Antichrist-attacking-Jerusalem paragraphs, the first paragraph seems to be covered by the last paragraph of the *Gog section of *Rev. 20:7, and by the first section of *Rev. 11:1.

Again regarding the Antichrist-attacking-Jerusalem paragraphs, the second paragraph seems to be covered by the second-to-last paragraph of the *Gog section of *Rev. 20:7, and by the "War section of *Rev. 13:5, and by the first paragraph of the *Gog section of *Rev. 20:7.

Regarding the Lucifer paragraphs, they seem to be covered by section 2 of *Rev. 13, section 2 of *Isa. 14:12, and *Rev. 13:4.

Regarding the Revelation 1:7 paragraph, I will skip it for now.

Regarding the Psalms 83:17-18 paragraph, Psalms 83:17-18 by itself could apply to any time that YHWH defeats his enemies. But Psalms 83 as a whole may by referring to a specific time, as is indicated under *Ps. 83.

Regarding the Isaiah 28:5 paragraph, I hope to add an entry under *Isa. 28:5.

Regarding the Isaiah 54:1-2 paragraphs, I hope to add an entry under *Isa. 54:1.

Regarding the Isaiah 60:10-11 paragraph, I hope to expand the verse range of *Isa. 60:3.

Regarding the Mark 14:25 paragraph, I hope to add an entry under *Mk. 14:25.

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Deuteronomy 32:46-47 refers to the keeping of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, and to the land/nation covenant which preceded the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Genesis 15:18, 26:4, Exodus 32:13), and which wasn't ended with that law, but became part of the New Covenant of faith (Galatians 3:8-29, Romans 4:13-25).

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2 Chronicles 32 refers to the invasion of Judah by Sennacherib, king of Assyria, during the reign of Hezekiah.

Regarding 2 Chronicles 32:1-2, "after these things" means fourteen years after that single observance, for Sennacherin didn't invade Israel until the fourteenth year of King Hezekiah's reign (2 Kings 18:13). And no scripture says that the masses of Judah weren't hypocritical toward God (as stated in Isaiah 10:6) fourteen years after that single observance.

2 Chronicles 32:1 means thirteen years after the events of 2 Chronicles 29:3-31:21, for those events took place in the first year of Hezekiah's reign (2 Chronicles 29:3), whereas Sennacherib's invasion did not occur until the fourteenth year of Hezekiah's reign (Isaiah 36:1).

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In Ezekiel 16:49, the Hebrew word translated as "abundance" [...] can be translated as "prosperity" (Jeremiah 22:21), so that Ezekiel 16:49 could be referring to an idleness that is connected with prosperity.

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While Ezekiel 36:10 will be fulfilled during the millennium, the idea of Ezekiel 36:10, by itself, would also apply to the return of the kingdom of Judah to the land of Israel after its Babylonian Captivity, for the kingdom of Judah came to include individuals from all of Israel long before the Babylonian Captivity (2 Chronicles 11:16-17).

The idea of Ezekiel 36:10, by itself, would also apply to the return of the Jews to the land of Israel in modern times, for the Jews include the descendants of those who were in the kingdom of Judah, which came to include individuals from all of Israel.

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Ezekiel 37:24 means that the resurrected David will also be a local king over Israel during the millennium.

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"He" in Daniel 9:2 is YHWH, who gave his word to Jeremiah, that he, YHWH, would punish disobedient Jerusalem for seventy years (Jeremiah 25:8-12), which YHWH did (2 Chronicles 36:20-23, Zechariah 7:5).

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Zechariah 6:1-8 could have occurred back in the time of Zechariah, just as Zechariah 6:10-11 occurred back in the time of Zechariah.

... the mountains of brass in Zechariah 6:1 could be in heaven, for the four chariots which go forth from them are "the four spirits of the heavens" (Zechariah 6:5).

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Psalms 89:34, in its context, refers to the covenant which God made with King David of Israel (Psalms 89:33-55,28,20,3) that his seed will endure for ever, and his throne will endure to all generations, as long as the sun and the moon exist (Psalms 89:4,36-37, cf. Jeremiah 33:20-21).

God won't break this covenant, but will fulfill it at the second coming of Jesus Christ, when Jesus, who in his humanity is of the seed of David (Romans 1:3), will sit upon the throne of David (Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7). Jesus will rule the entire world (Psalms 72:8), and the church will rule on the earth with him for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29).

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Q: Is Sunday worship the mark of the beast?

A: Revelation 13:17 shows that if one refuses to receive the mark, one won't be able to buy or sell, so having or not having the mark will be something which will have application to every day of the week, for people buy and sell every day of the week.
 
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