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if He (Jesus) is reigning "now", He has been reigning for at least 1000 years already.
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if He (Jesus) is reigning "now", He has been reigning for at least 1000 years already.
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Well, first, posting a lot of verses does not mean that you are right or that you know what you are talking about. Also, I am not really interested in disecting a bunch of verses on this topic. For Eschatology is not all that worth it to me to argue over in such great detail because it does not effect my salvation or faith all that much if I do not get it 100% correct. The one point of Eschatology that is important to me is that we are to look for Christ to come back for us at any moment. For are we looking for improving our walk with Him and are we watching for His return?
But as for the first resurrection mentioned in Revelation: It clearly is described as those who are patriachs and those who are beheaded for Christ will live and reign with Christ for a thousand years. It then says that the rest of the dead will live after the thousand years is finished. This is still called the "first resurrection."
4 "...I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." (Revelation 20:4-5).
The text above here does not say all saints thru out time are going to be resurrected and live with Christ a thousand years with it being called the first resurrection. The text mentions as a part of the first resurrection that those saints who are beheaded for Christ who refused the Mark will be in the Millennium and the rest of the dead saints will live again after the Millennium or thousand years is finished.
Scripture also clearly states that the second resurrection is for the damned or the unjust (Acts 24:15).
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Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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It was commonly understood that there was going to be a flesh and blood resurrection (See John 11:23-24), but here in 1 Corinthians 15, Paul was dealing with those who denied a flesh and blood resurrection.
“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?” (1 Corinthians 15:35).
But Paul was also showing them something new here, too.
For Paul says,
“Behold, I shew you a mystery;" (1 Corinthians 15:51).
Paul is revealing the mystery to us as a spiritual resurrection, as well.
Paul says,
“And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.” (1 Corinthians 15:49).
“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:44).
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1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
What is the mystery that he is revealing?
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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True, to some extent. However, the earth that Noah grew up on and built the ark on was far different from the one he left the ark to inhabit.
Yes, the same earth. However, a much different environment.
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Regarding the present age (world) ending, note that nothing in verses like Ephesians 1:21b, Ephesians 1:10, Ephesians 3:2, Colossians 1:25, Titus 2:12b and Hebrews 6:5 says or requires that only the present age is an age of grace or a church age, or that the age to come won't also be an age of grace or a church age.
Also, the present age can include the future tribulation (Revelation chapters 6 to 18) and the subsequent millennium (Revelation 20), with the age to come being the subsequent time of the new earth (Revelation 21). For the end of the present age, when all the unsaved will be cast into the lake of fire (Matthew 13:40, Revelation 20:15), won't occur until sometime after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-15).
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Again, the flesh and blood resurrection is not a new mystery being revealed here. Martha was already aware that the saints will rise again (come to life) on the last day.
23 "Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day."
As for the Pre-Trib Rapture transforming the saints so as to:
(a) put on immortality (and)
(b) death being swallowed up in victory
This is context to the following verses that say:
(a) There are celestial (spirit) bodies and terresterial (human flesh and blood) bodies (There is no mention of some kind of unnatural half breed Nephilim garbage type bodies that is a merge between the celestial (spirit) and the terresterial (human flesh and blood)). (1 Corinthians 15:40).
(b) Verse 44 says that we sow in a natural body and that we are then raised in a spiritual body (Hence, why the Rapture verses 51-55 in 1st Corinthians is in reference to the raising of a spirit body or a spiritual resurrection. (1 Corinthians 15:44).
(c) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (1 Corinthians 15:49). We must be born in the image of the heavenly realms. The heavenly realm is usually regarded by most as a spiritual realm with spirit beings that reside there.
(d) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 15:50). Okay, now, if you are to hold to the view that Jesus has a glorified body that has flesh on some level, etc. then 1 Corinthians 15:50 immediately disqualifies Jesus in entering the Kingdom of God because Jesus Himself said to His disciples that He has flesh and bones like they had. For Scripture says, "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God." But we know that Jesus is the exception to the rule on entering the Kingdom of God based on John 3:13. For no man has ascended to heaven except the Son of Man. In other words, everybody else (Who is not Jesus) who has flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God (Heaven).
So how do we resolve the saints who are raised in a spiritual body as (a) putting on immortality and (b) with death being swallowed up in victory?
It is written...
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God," (1 John 1:12).
Sons of God in the Old Testament was in reference to angels (Genesis 6:2, Genesis 6:4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7).
Meaning, God will give us power to be like the good angels who are immortal.
For the Scriptures say angels are immortal.
"Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection." (Luke 20:36).
For we are told in Scripture that we will be LIKE angels.
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" (Matthew 22:30).
But what about death being swallowed up in victory?
The ultimate death is the Lake of Fire which is also called the Second Death.
For the believer (who is truly faithful to GOD), they will not face this death.
This death is swallowed up in the victory of what Jesus accomplished for us with his death, burial, resurrection, and ascension.
So when the saint receives an immortal spirit body like that of angels, they are written in the Lamb's book of life and will not face the Second Death. The sting of the final second death (i.e. the Lake of Fire) will not harm them when everyone receives a physical flesh and blood body in the end. They are protected by abiding in Christ and His good ways.
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." (Revelation 2:11).
Anyways, in conclusion:
There is going to be two spiritual resurrections (Whereby the saints will be like the sons of God or angels - with one being before the Tribulation and one being shortly before Christ's 2nd Coming), and there are going to be two physical flesh and blood resurrections for the saints (One at the start of the Millennium and one at the end of the Millennium).
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There is no need for scriptural calisthenics. it is quite plain.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
There is one resurrection for the saved, when Jesus comes. This is the first resurrection. The 2nd resurrection, is the resurrection of the lost.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
There is one resurrection for the saved, when Jesus comes. This is the first resurrection. The 2nd resurrection, is the resurrection of the lost.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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It is just an allotted amount of time.
If "with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" 2 Peter 3:8 ...then time it is not defined by humanity, it is unquantifiable.
The best description offered in the scriptures, is: "in the fullness of time."
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Amillennialism mistakenly claims that the "thousand" in Revelation 20:4-6 can't be literal, but must be only symbolic of fullness/completion, like in Psalms 50:10. But in the Bible, "thousand" can be literal (e.g. Numbers 31:4-6, Numbers 35:4, Judges 20:10; 2 Kings 15:19; 1 Chronicles 19:6, Song of Songs 8:11, Revelation 20:2-7).
Amillennialism ends up (inadvertently) logically requiring the error of full preterism (2 Timothy 2:18). For claiming that the church's resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is already present requires that Jesus' 2nd coming has already happened. For the church's resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 won't happen until the 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16). Also, amillennialism ends up (inadvertently) logically requiring the error of partial preterism. For claiming that the resurrection of those beheaded by the Antichrist during the future tribulation and their subsequent reigning on the earth with the returned Jesus for the full 1,000 years of the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29) is already present, requires that the Antichrist's literal, 3.5-year worldwide reign during the tribulation (Revelation 13:4-18) has already happened. Also, amillennialism is mistaken because it requires that the devil is currently bound in the bottomless pit (Revelation 20:1-6), when in fact he is currently walking around on the earth seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8), and he won't be bound until the 2nd coming (Revelation 19:19 to 20:3).
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law . . .
Note that this does not refer to the millennium, or even to 1,000 years, but only to Jesus' first coming.
But it should be pointed out that God's waiting to send Jesus into the world did not cause any problem for Old Testament believers. For all obedient believers who died during Old Testament times are now part of the church in heaven (Hebrews 11:13-16, Hebrews 12:22-24). For now there are no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6). And 1 Peter 4:6, 1 Peter 3:18c-19, and Ephesians 4:9 show that there was (decades before 70 AD) a post-resurrection descent of Jesus into Hades to preach the fulfillment of the gospel (of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) to the souls of the dead in Hades, after which preaching, Jesus ascended into heaven with all the souls of those in Hades who had died in faith (Ephesians 4:8-9, Hebrews 11:13-16, Hebrews 12:22-24).
And 1 Thessalonians 3:13 and 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 show that at Jesus' 2nd coming, the souls of all obedient dead believers of all times will be brought down from the 3rd heaven with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:14-15), and their souls will descend to the earth, and their physical bodies will resurrect/rise from their graves (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Then they and all believers who will survive the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 on the earth (those who will still be "alive and remain") will be raptured up high into the air above the places all around the globe where they will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17a), and then they will be gathered together from the sky (the 1st heaven) all around the globe (Matthew 24:31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1) to the one place in the sky where the returned Jesus will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17b), which will be in the clouds above Jerusalem, before he descends to set his feet on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:4-5, Acts 1:11-12).
It is because of this 2nd-coming rapture into the sky, and then the gathering to where in the sky Jesus will be (and then the marriage of the obedient part of the church there to Jesus: Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12), that the obedient part of the church will already be with Jesus when he subsequently descends from the sky (the 1st heaven) to the earth (Revelation 19:14, Revelation 17:14, Zechariah 14:5c,4). Jesus and the obedient part of the church will then physically reign on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).
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Hi there Brinny,
Are you coming to clarity in the confusion of the quest for an answer to your question?
I go with Herr Sauer on this. But then what do I know?
“… Belief in a visible kingdom of God on the old earth was originally the common spiritual property of all Christians. …
… the original Christian hope of an earthly, visible kingdom of glory stands on a five fold, unshakable rock foundation.
1-The only adequate confirmation of the truthfulness and covenant faithfulness of God to his promises.
2-The only logical interpretation of Old Testament Messianic prophecy.
3-The only explanation of the history of the End which agrees with the words of the Lord Jesus and His Apostles.
4-The only complete conclusion of Divine self-justification in the history of salvation.
5-The only and necessary means of carrying forward human history from its present stage on to its goal in the eternal kingdom of The Father.”
From “The Triumph of the Crucified” by Eric Sauer (Part III, Section II, Chpt I)
Another “purpose” of the millennium kingdom is to demonstrate that even after a thousand years of blessing, righteousness and justice, free from all satanic influence, still mankind is utterly and easily corruptible. The grace of God in Christ crucified and that only delivers us from that corruptibility.
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God ALREADY knows this, doesn't He?
That's why Jesus Christ died for our sins.
In addition, what comes to mind, is when the rich man says to Abraham to send Lazarus back to tell his brothers what fate awaits them, and he is told that, if they did not believe the prophets, they surely won't believe anyone else who "came back" to tell them about their fate.
The same applies to the 1000 literal years.
Is the 1000 years meant to be a "second" chance?
In addition, if this 1000 years is "blessing, righteousness and justice, free from all satanic influence," why then does it end?
At the end of the 1000 years does Jesus ascend to heaven again?
Who would God be "showing" that after the 1000 years of "blessing, righteousness and justice, free from all satanic influence," that man is still totally corrupt?
Was there doubt that man WASN'T utterly corrupt?
WHO is God "showing" this to?
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That's right.
For premillennialism was the teaching of the early church (see Papias) subsequent to John the apostle's writing-down of the book of Revelation, based on the clear prophecy of Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, which shows that the millennium will occur after Jesus' 2nd coming. Amillennialism was an error that didn't crop up until later. The scriptural truth of premillennialism was recovered in relatively modern times when a significant part of the church became interested again in eschatology, and believers could search the scriptures for themselves and see that premillennialism is true, as opposed to during the centuries when the amillennial RCC hierarchy kept the scriptures from believers and simply told them what to believe.
That's right.
And "us" should be understood as the elect. For the elect are those individuals, whether Jews or Gentiles, who were chosen (elected) and predestinated by God before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4-11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13), before they were born (Romans 9:11-24), to become initially saved by faith at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b). This initial salvation is possible only because of Jesus' sacrifice (Romans 3:25-26), which was also foreordained by God before the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8; 1 Peter 1:19-20).
Everyone on his own is wholly corrupt (Romans 3:9-12), and so it is impossible for people on their own to ever believe in Jesus and the gospel and be initially saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, John 20:31; 1 John 5:13) through their own will (Romans 9:16, John 1:13, John 6:65) or their own intellect (1 Corinthians 1:18 to 2:16). Unsaved people cannot understand the gospel (1 Corinthians 2:14; 1 Corinthians 1:18) because only initially saved people, who have received the miraculous gift of some measure of God's own Spirit, can understand it (1 Corinthians 2:11-16).
The nonelect cannot ever believe in Jesus and the gospel and be initially saved, even when they are shown the truth (John 8:42-47, John 10:26, Matthew 13:38-42), because the ability to believe in Jesus and the gospel comes only to the elect (Acts 13:48b) wholly by God's grace as a miraculous gift from God (Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65; 1 Corinthians 3:5b, Romans 12:3b, Hebrews 12:2) as the elect read (or hear) God's Word the Bible (Romans 10:17, Acts 13:48, Acts 26:22-23), just as the ability to repent comes only as a miraculous gift from God (2 Timothy 2:25, Acts 11:18). Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers so that on their own they cannot repent and acknowledge the truth of God's Word (2 Corinthians 4:4; 2 Timothy 2:25-26).
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With regard to the elect who will still be alive at Jesus' 2nd coming, or born afterward, it can be part of their first chance.
For during the future millennium, after Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 66:15-21, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21), Jesus will send out evangelists/missionaries to the nations to preach the gospel and tell them all about the returned Jesus' fame and glory in Jerusalem (Isaiah 66:19), so that people will want to come up to Jerusalem to serve him (Isaiah 66:20-21, Micah 4:2, Zechariah 8:22-23).
People will be saved by Jesus during the millennium in the same way that people have always been saved by Jesus: through faith in him (John 3:16,36, John 14:6, Acts 4:12) and his New Covenant sacrifice for our sins (Matthew 26:28, Romans 3:25) and his physical resurrection from the dead on the 3rd day after his death (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Romans 10:9). And so people saved during the millennium will become part of the church, just as any people who had gotten saved during the preceding tribulation will have become part of the church. For now there are no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).
Those saved during the millennium will grow old and die just as people always have (since the Fall), but after the millennium and the subsequent Gog/Magog event (Revelation 20:7-9, Ezekiel chapters 38-39) they will be resurrected at the great white throne judgment along with all unsaved people of all times (Revelation 20:11-15). That is why not everyone at the great white throne judgment will be cast into the lake of fire, but only the unsaved (Revelation 20:15).
To make way for the new earth (Revelation 21:1-4), after the post-millennial Gog/Magog rebellion (Revelation 20:7-10) and subsequent great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).
No scripture says or requires that he does.
Humanists.
For they think that humanity in general is good, when in fact humanity in general is in Satanic disobedience to God (Ephesians 2:2). Only those humans who believe in Jesus and his gospel will be saved from God's wrath (John 3:16,36, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Those humans who never believe in Jesus and his gospel are the human children of Satan (John 8:42-47, Matthew 13:38-42). They will suffer eternal torment in the lake of fire and brimstone with Satan and his fallen angels (Matthew 25:41,46, Revelation 20:10,15, Revelation 14:10-11).
The key difference between humanism and God's Word the Bible is that humanism thinks that humans on their own can be good, while God's Word states that all humans are horribly corrupt to their very core (Romans 3:9-12, Jeremiah 17:9, John 2:24-25). So there is no such thing as human goodness; God alone is good (Luke 18:19). So the only chance that humans have of becoming good is to partake of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4), which is received through the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, who is given only to Christians in some measure (John 7:38-39).
Humanism is a Satanic invention, for it is Satan who deceives man into ignoring the things of God and thinking about everything only from a human perspective (cf. Mark 8:33). Humans in their Satanic pride (cf. 1 Timothy 3:6) so easily forget how utterly infinitesimal they are, that even all together they are less than nothing compared with God (Isaiah 40:17). They easily forget how short their lives are (James 4:14) and that they can in no way keep alive their own souls (Psalms 22:29b), for they only continue to exist as God keeps them in existence (Acts 17:28, Colossians 1:17). They so easily forget that they did not create themselves, but were created by God (Psalms 100:3), so that God has every right to do with them whatever he pleases (Romans 9:21-24). It is only by rejecting their Satanic pride and humbling themselves before God that humans can be saved (James 4:7-10, Matthew 18:3-4).
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It may be in the same earth, but it will not be the old one!
Isa_65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa_66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
2Pe_3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Rev_21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
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Ah Brinny you're a great one for the asking of questions. As I said, what do I know? But here we go anyway.
God ALREADY knows this, doesn't He?
Yes, He is omniscient.
That's why Jesus Christ died for our sins.
Yes , He is Love.
In addition, what comes to mind, is when the rich man says to Abraham to send Lazarus back to tell his brothers what fate awaits them, and he is told that, if they did not believe the prophets, they surely won't believe anyone else who "came back" to tell them about their fate.
The same applies to the 1000 literal years.
Christ is not coming back to tell people about their fate (that's our job). He is coming to judge the nations and to rule over all this present earth. (Psalm 72, Isaiah 2:2-4)
Is the 1000 years meant to be a "second" chance?
Nothing to do with second chances. Those who live during the the Millenium under the King of Kings will be,
the resurrected and transfigured believers (no second 'chance' needed)
and survivors of the tribulation and Christ's conquering of the nations (they still have their first 'chance') (Zachariah 14:16).
and those born during the Millennium (who may believe, who may not, they have their 'chance').
The coming reign of Jesus Christ on this present earth is about
the fulfillment of God's promises,
the completion of the purposes of the first creation,
and the glory of God.
On the same earth where there has been millennia of cruelty, injustice, deceit and suffering there will be, to God's glory, overarching, all pervading, ever present justice, rightness, peace and prosperity.
In addition, if this 1000 years is "blessing, righteousness and justice, free from all satanic influence," why then does it end?
It ends because this first creation will have served and achieved its purposes (Colossians 1:16, Revelations 1:6) and something even yet more glorious will happen.
We are told that in the new creation a new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from “as a bride adorned for her husband” (Revelations 21:1-7) and that “the last enemy will be destroyed” and The Lord Jesus give his kingdom to The Father. (1Corinthians 15:24-28)
At the end of the 1000 years does Jesus ascend to heaven again?
During the time that this present heaven and earth are dissolved and “reconstituted” into something even yet more glorious I assume that we are with The Lord Jesus in the presence of The Father. Even during the Millenium I see no reason why The Lord and even us should not be going back and forth between this present heaven and earth. But what do I know?
Who would God be "showing" that after the 1000 years of "blessing, righteousness and justice, free from all satanic influence," that man is still totally corrupt?
WHO is God "showing" this to?
You, me, the man next door, the angels and archangels??
Was there doubt that man WASN'T utterly corrupt?
The majority of non-Christians and (I'm guessing) a large number of Christians reject the biblical teaching that mankind is, by nature, totally depraved.
But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells. 2 Peter3:13
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In Revelation, the new heaven and new earth descend. The old heaven and earth have "passed away". They are "no more".
The point i was getting to is, how many times would Jesus "return" to the earth?
In addition, for this 1000 year milenium, when, how, and in what manner does Jesus return to this earth for this temporary 1000 year milienium?
Where is this description of His return for the milenium, in the Bible, specifically?
The point i was getting to is, how many times would Jesus "return" to the earth?
In addition, for this 1000 year milenium, when, how, and in what manner does Jesus return to this earth for this temporary 1000 year milienium?
Where is this description of His return for the milenium, in the Bible, specifically?
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Hi mmksparbud - Well my understanding, taking into account the whole of scripture, is that The Millenium Kingdom will be here upon this present earth and that at its ending with the last rebellion and the last judgement the new heaven and earth spoken of in the above verses will come into being. But then what do I know?
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