You might be a liberal if.......

Cimorene said:

Idk why nudity is what makes something safe or not.

I've never heard of A Chorus Line either, lol.

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Fearing nudity is still a big deal for some of the religious. It is vastly reduced today in the States and Western Europe. Here is a Science Fiction story. Today it is only slightly though provoking. Back when it was first published in 1949 it was an all too possible reality. Well at least the very final line was if the basic premise of all out WW III took place.

https://talesofmytery.blogspot.com/2014/04/damon-knight-not-with-bang.html

BTW Damien Knight also wrote the short story To Serve Man. which became one of the most famous and disturbing Science Fiction TV episodes of all time.

Stanfordella said:

*Gasp* This must be immediately remedied. My baby brother was also born in 2000, but I was belting out songs from 70s and 80s-era musicals to him when he was still sleeping in a crib, thanks to family members who exposed me to the gems and bought me a little karaoke machine.

This was my favorite song, performed at my grandparents' house back in 01:

(Apologies for the terrible video quality, this was from back in the pre-smartphone time, haha)

It just dawned on me that if my family wasn't liberal-leaning their reaction to a certain moment in the video likely would have been the opposite of what it was. It emphasizes the point that art should be judged by the whole effect it has rather than the smaller sums of its part.

I almost exploded with excitement when A Chorus Line was performed at the Hollywood Bowl, and my mom scored fantastic seats for us.
This is the song, Nothing, sung by a pro instead of a toddler, haha:

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I saw the original Broadway production. Here is the only number that I remembered the name of. Ironically I would have forgotten the original title which it seems was too racy back then and still is here. I like the title Dance 10 Looks 3 better because it really has more punch than the title I cannot say here.

tadoflamb said:

It's been a long time since I saw the film and I wasn't a Christian when I did, but what seemed most controversial was at the very end when it was suggested that Christ failed the last temptation on the Cross. I could be wrong, but that's what I took from it.

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It was a long time ago. But as I recall there was a little girl who would show up and when she did there was a moment of eerie silence and a subtle change in focus. This was an artistic marker that what was being shown was a vision sent by Satan showing what he could deliver. The one at the end was the longest one and it was of Jesus living an ordinary life, seeing his kids grow up and the whole typical bit. All the way to the destruction the temple in 70 A.D. as it would have been without the crucifixion and resurrection. With no hope remaining. At that point Jesus rejected the offer, barely passing the final test.

keith99 said:

It was a long time ago. But as I recall there was a little girl who would show up and when she did there was a moment of eerie silence and a subtle change in focus. This was an artistic marker that what was being shown was a vision sent by Satan showing what he could deliver. The one at the end was the longest one and it was of Jesus living an ordinary life, seeing his kids grow up and the whole typical bit. All the way to the destruction the temple in 70 A.D. as it would have been without the crucifixion and resurrection. With no hope remaining. At that point Jesus rejected the offer, barely passing the final test.

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Jesus had kids in that movie?

Cimorene said:

Jesus had kids in that movie?

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That depends on how one counts a vision sent by Satan!

keith99 said:

Are you familiar with Birth of a Nation? I doubt you have seen it. I have not. I'm not big on silent films. But there have been times when the original film was the center of controversy. It portrays the original KKK as a heroic force.

Based on the previews I'm inclined to think the new version soon to be released departs from reality just as much as the original but in the opposite direction.

I see confusion on the horizon.

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We talked about it in history but I haven't seen it. I've seen the billboards for the new one but I haven't seen it either. I'm assuming it's not a silent film? It's famous bc it's a propaganda film right?

keith99 said:

Don't forget it was a Rock Opera. In some circles Rock is still the Devil's music.

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Why?

Stanfordella said:

*Gasp* This must be immediately remedied. My baby brother was also born in 2000, but I was belting out songs from 70s and 80s-era musicals to him when he was still sleeping in a crib, thanks to family members who exposed me to the gems and bought me a little karaoke machine.

This was my favorite song, performed at my grandparents' house back in 01:

(Apologies for the terrible video quality, this was from back in the pre-smartphone time, haha)

It just dawned on me that if my family wasn't liberal-leaning their reaction to a certain moment in the video likely would have been the opposite of what it was. It emphasizes the point that art should be judged by the whole effect it has rather than the smaller sums of its part.

I almost exploded with excitement when A Chorus Line was performed at the Hollywood Bowl, and my mom scored fantastic seats for us.
This is the song, Nothing, sung by a pro instead of a toddler, haha:

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The home video is the GOAT. You were both adorable!!!!!!!!!!! Lol, I love the reaction your family had to you. Did your mom worry you'd say it again?

Cimorene said:

We talked about it in history but I haven't seen it. I've seen the billboards for the new one but I haven't seen it either. I'm assuming it's not a silent film? It's famous bc it's a propaganda film right?

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Actually it is famous because it was a major epic film produced by D.W. Griffith, a famous producer and with Lillian Gish a hottie of the silent era as the female lead.

Cimorene said:

Why?

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That would be a question for some good Christian to answer. Being a man of wealth and taste I rather like rock.

keith99 said:

That would be a question for some good Christian to answer. Being a man of wealth and taste I rather like rock.

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But you were a Christian when you were young I thought?

Cimorene, this website lays out ten reasons why (that church believes) God hates rock music: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=41508

Cimorene said:

But you were a Christian when you were young I thought?

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Yes. But I like to think the time I thought of myself as a GOOD Christian was very short or did not exist at all. (Refer to what Jesus himself said when he was addressed as 'good teacher'. Luke 18:18-19).

Paidiske said:

Cimorene, this website lays out ten reasons why (that church believes) God hates rock music: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=41508

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Excellent find. Spot on for typical.

And since I'm part Scots Irish I'll point out also borderline suicidal. Calling a Kilt a dress is fighting words to a Scotsman.

I assume you take particular exception to the start of reason #5.

I don't know... if a woman isn't already thinking for herself, I'd be prepared to see whether rock music could jump start the process.

I do take exception to the idea that we shouldn't think for ourselves. Even Paul wrote to the Romans that they ought to "think with sober judgement," and I don't think he just meant the men...

It has been pointed out to me privately that Landover Baptist is in fact a satire site. Not as obvious as the Onion or the like because the board that resembles this one is real in the sense one can sign up and log on. But enough people going in are in the know so it is Poe Paradise.

I'd like to put forward some ideas about why more reasonable people regard rock as wrong. I think the post from Landover does fit for those who say (and likely mean in the most literal sense) that rock music is from the devil.

There is a very old hippie/rock meme: Question Authority. Many in positions of authority hate that idea. Since I officially became an old fart and am stuck being representative of authority I've changed my views on this. I feel it is not just a good idea, it is vital. But some people do need to be reminded that Question Authority does NOT say take the opposite position blindly. Question Authority. Do your homework and if Authority is wrong fight it, if it is right follow it and if it is somewhere in-between try to influence it to what you think is better.

The original Rock is evil was really little more than rock is not what I grew up with, it is not the music I understand or like. That is dying since rock IS what I grew up with.

Rock uses words some do not like. So it has always been. One thing that is rather funny is one country/rock song has gone full circle. It was written by Jimmy Driftwood (James Corbitt Morris) in 1936 and he first recorded it in 1957. It did not get much if any airplay because it contained the words hell and damn. In 1959 Johnny Horton turned it into a hit. The huge change was using a bridge so that the line:

Then we opened up our squirrel guns and gave 'em hell

was changed to lead into the next verse.

Then we opened up our squirrel guns and gave 'em
Well, we
Fired our guns and the British kept a-comin'

Eventually The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band restored hell and in some recordings one can hear the lead singer smirking like a 10 year old who knows he is getting away with a forbidden word.

Hell and damn were fine in 1936. Not just for radio, the song was originally written to teach and generate interest about history in high school students. It was sung in school! By the 50s we had become Ned Flanders. By the 70s we had regained some sanity.

Finally rock and folk before it are irreverent mediums. Singers feel free to point out flaws in society. The sad fact is the more right they are the more those in power hate them.

The legendary Woody Guthrie.

Note the sign on the guitar.

Woody is a good example of the last two sentences of Keith's post above.

I saw Woody's son Arlo, and some of Woody's grandchildren and great-children, perform about a decade ago.

s_gunter said:

I'm not going through this long thread to confirm, but I think I've already asked if being a voracious book-reader would qualify me as liberal. Along with that, does celebrating/recognizing Banned Books Week, and making it a point to read a challenged/banned book qualify me?

Yeah, I'm rebellious. Since I'm Catholic, I'm tempted to find a book of interest off the old Index Librorum Prohibitorum, just to see why it was banned. I'm anti-censorship, but with responsibility. I fully believe in researching/learning things so that a person would know heretical works when they read them.

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I hadn't known that some of the books we're reading this year had been banned until I was reading about them on Wikipedia & it said they had been. It's weird bc there's nothing controversial about them to me.