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Black Lives Don't Matter More Than Any Other Life
I look forward to our discussion tomorrow. God bless.
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My perspective is found here.What is your perspective of Hell?
Re:Out of nothing. A figure of speech being God is the first source of all that exists, seen and unseen. There is no thing that God did not create. Therefore there is no thing that can not be God.
I look forward to our discussion tomorrow. God bless.
God's Goodness does this. It is bolstered by his omniscience (he knows he is #1 in wisdom and Goodness). He also has moral righteousness over us because he created us ("creator rights").... Does being almighty grant the almighty moral righteousness? Is might right in such a cases simply because it is might?
My perspective is found here.
http://www.truthaccordingtoscripture.com/documents/death/wicked.php#.V9JwH7v6tOw
So you consider everything in existence God because he made it? How so? Wouldn't that lead us to conclude that the most repulsive, nauseating things we observe on Earth are also literally God?
There is something not quite right with that premise.
Because a creator creates he automatically has moral righteousness over the created creature?This thread tl;dr.
God's Goodness does this. It is bolstered by his omniscience (he knows he is #1 in wisdom and Goodness). He also has moral righteousness over us because he created us ("creator rights").
Let's keep fictional characters out of this. Dr.Frankenstein had the attributes Mary Shelley gave him and nothing more.Because a creator creates he automatically has moral righteousness over the created creature?
That doesn't sound right.
Did Dr. Frankenstein have a right to do anything he pleased with his creation because he created it? Actually some parents feel exactly that way and wind up killing their kids. Goebbels laced his children's drinks with cyanide so that they would die along with his beloved idol Hitler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_children
Then who or what did?I specifically denied the premise that "God sets the standard for what is right or wrong".
Let's keep fictional characters out of this. Dr.Frankenstein had the attributes Mary Shelley gave him and nothing more.
And Goebbels is an obscene red herring thinking in any respect that has relevancy to God. Goebbels was a psychotic Nazi. Conferring a god reference in his direction just bolsters the image the sick man wanted to manifest for himself.
Very good question which should have occurred to me but somehow didn't. Thanks!Then who or what did?
Aren't we just "lucky" that GOD is Good?
Agreed.Very good question which should have occurred to me but somehow didn't. Thanks!
I think the response will be that God simply is the way he morally is by his very nature and didn't actually go about setting up standards but just follows the way that he feels.
I would say the same to you. A fictional character as no relevance here.Then obviously your premise needs to be changed.
It isn't the character. It is the moral lesson involved in the drama or historical event.I would say the same to you. A fictional character as no relevance here.
And conferring any relevance to Goebbels is ignorant.
But the pot he was shaping from the clay was marred in his hands; so the potter formed it into another pot, shaping it as seemed best to him. (bold mine, Jeremiah 18:4, 1984 NIV)Because a creator creates he automatically has moral righteousness over the created creature?
That depends on where you get your sense of morality. If someone doesn't accept that God always acts morally, then they've created their own—probably more comfy—moral system.That doesn't sound right.
But the pot he was shaping from the clay was marred in his hands; so the potter formed it into another pot, shaping it as seemed best to him. (bold mine, Jeremiah 18:4, 1984 NIV)
Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? (Romans 9:21, 1984 NIV)
That depends on where you get your sense of morality. If someone doesn't accept that God always acts morally, then they've created their own—probably more comfy—moral system.
You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, “He did not make me”? Can the pot say of the potter, “He knows nothing”? (bold mine, Isaiah 29:16, 1984 NIV)
For more of the morality of a potter: Isaiah 41:25, Isaiah 45:9, Isaiah 64:8, Jeremiah 18:6, Jeremiah 19:11.
By the way, God didn't "choose" what is moral and what is not. Morality comes from his nature, which has always been the same.
It isn't the character. It is the moral lesson involved in the drama or historical event.
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Do you know what a premise is?
A premise is a reason for reaching a conclusion.
Such a premise is part of deductive reasoning and is set up as part of a syllogism.
Yours can be illustrated syllogistically as flows.
Major premise: All creators have unrestricted rights over their creation
Minor premise: God is a creator
Conclusion: God has unrestricted rights over us, [his creation.]
The premise might be flawed and if it is, then the conclusion will be false although valid for being in harmony with the major premise.
I am not attempting to excuse it. I am attempting to refute it. The examples provided were negative specifically for the purpose of refuting the claim that creatorship grants the creator full rights to do as he pleases.I understand what a premise is. And your introduction of those characters however you think to excuse it now is flawed.