Phyllis Schlafly dead at 92

Tull · Sep 6, 2016

jazzflower92 said:
I think it should go for both liberals and conservatives that we as a whole should learn how to treat our opponents without wishing death on each other. I believe it's a lesson all of us should learn.

Yeah well this is the liberals turn to learn,but I suspect all the rude and hateful comments about a conservative leader will be allowed with no interference from management.

jazzflower92 · Sep 6, 2016

Tull said:
Yeah well this is the liberals turn to learn,but I suspect all the rude and hateful comments about a conservative leader will be allowed with no interference from management.

I can understand why they wouldn't like Ms.Schafly, because in my opinion she had all the same problems that Mr. Falwell had. On the other hand, I don't think becoming what she was in life is the answer either. I think if they really want to triumph over her, they should speak to her in love. I can't praise her as an a conservative to look up to, because a lot of it was too venomous. However, I do think it should teach us all to learn to love one another as the Lord commands us to.

mala · Sep 6, 2016

jazzflower92 said:
I can't understand why they wouldn't like Ms.Schafly, because in my opinion she had all the same problems that Mr. Falwell had. On the other hand, I don't think becoming what she was in life is the answer either. I think if they really want to triumph over her, they should speak to her in love. I can't praise her as an a conservative to look up to, because a lot of it was too venomous. However, I do think it should teach us all to learn to love one another as the Lord commands us to.

I don't mean her any ill nor do i praise her and those like her.
I'd rather she be forgotten relegated to a mere footnote in history. unremembered.

Tull · Sep 6, 2016

jazzflower92 said:
I can't understand why they wouldn't like Ms.Schafly, because in my opinion she had all the same problems that Mr. Falwell had. On the other hand, I don't think becoming what she was in life is the answer either. I think if they really want to triumph over her, they should speak to her in love. I can't praise her as an a conservative to look up to, because a lot of it was too venomous. However, I do think it should teach us all to learn to love one another as the Lord commands us to.

My comment was directed at the bias here and what is allowed vs what is not allowed, I supported Ms Schafly and what she stood for.

katautumn · Sep 6, 2016

Tull said:
Yeah well this is the liberals turn to learn,but I suspect all the rude and hateful comments about a conservative leader will be allowed with no interference from management.

She was a vile person whose family couldn't stand her. Her views resonated with only the utmost fringe element of the Christian right. It's like saying we should be respectful in death of Fred Phelps. It has nothing to do with her being a conservative and everything to do with what she stood for, what she fought against, and the tremendous harmful influence she had on gender politics. When I was beaten and raped repeatedly by my ex-husband, I was told by a so-called godly woman that marital rape was a myth, because women give blanket consent to their bodies to their husband on their wedding day. That is a viewpoint Schlafly pushed. I was told abuse was not biblical grounds for divorce, and most men are abusive as a reaction to the moral failures of their wives. Another viewpoint espoused by Schlafly. Schlafly believed fathers should not be obligated to pay child support. That women should be financially secure through their husbands, not on their own merit and hard word. Despite the fact that she obtained multiple college degrees, traveled the world, and enjoyed all of the freedoms from financial burden and family homelife that she so widely touted as the ideal model.

No, she was a foul person. A hypocrite whose lifelong mission sought to hurt and destroy families who were not white, upper crust, Protestant Christian, and fit within a very specific family dynamic.

Tull · Sep 6, 2016

katautumn said:
She was a vile person whose family couldn't stand her. Her views resonated with only the utmost fringe element of the Christian right. It's like saying we should be respectful in death of Fred Phelps. It has nothing to do with her being a conservative and everything to do with what she stood for, what she fought against, and the tremendous harmful influence she had on gender politics. When I was beaten and raped repeatedly by my ex-husband, I was told by a so-called godly woman that marital rape was a myth, because women give blanket consent to their bodies to their husband on their wedding day. That is a viewpoint Schlafly pushed. I was told abuse was not biblical grounds for divorce, and most men are abusive as a reaction to the moral failures of their wives. Another viewpoint espoused by Schlafly. Schlafly believed fathers should not be obligated to pay child support. That women should be financially secure through their husbands, not on their own merit and hard word. Despite the fact that she obtained multiple college degrees, traveled the world, and enjoyed all of the freedoms from financial burden and family homelife that she so widely touted as the ideal model.

No, she was a foul person. A hypocrite whose lifelong mission sought to hurt and destroy families who were not white, upper crust, Protestant Christian, and fit within a very specific family dynamic.

Your opinion.

SoldierOfTheKing · Sep 6, 2016

jazzflower92 said:
I know a lot of conservatives look up to her, but from what I have seen she wasn't really the nicest of people and did sometimes say some really cruel things to others. I do on the other hand think that liberals shouldn't return venom with venom, because it's really bad to dance on other graves. In my opinion, I see a woman who really could have done more if she was nicer to others and didn't tie herself to really bad positions. I agree with her anti-abortion efforts, but some of the other issues she stood on were really bad.

With some conservative figures, I think the negative opinions are really just biased stances. However, with Ms. Schlafly it was more justified because she often times did come off as being hypocritical on a few stuff and even some conservatives would have to raise an eyebrow at some of her more mean spirited comments.

I'm not sure that being nice is terribly effective in politics. That will be tested in November's election.

jazzflower92 said:
I kind of wish we had a different woman who was going to be our first female president. I want someone who is fresh, instead of someone who is a long term career politician.

Who's running for president who might fit that bill? :idea:

AceHero · Sep 6, 2016

jayem said:
I think Phyllis may have known our next President will be a woman. And she knew it was time to leave.

It would've been highly entertaining to see her reacting to Hillary being elected president.

katautumn said:
She was a vile person whose family couldn't stand her. Her views resonated with only the utmost fringe element of the Christian right. It's like saying we should be respectful in death of Fred Phelps. It has nothing to do with her being a conservative and everything to do with what she stood for, what she fought against, and the tremendous harmful influence she had on gender politics. When I was beaten and raped repeatedly by my ex-husband, I was told by a so-called godly woman that marital rape was a myth, because women give blanket consent to their bodies to their husband on their wedding day. That is a viewpoint Schlafly pushed. I was told abuse was not biblical grounds for divorce, and most men are abusive as a reaction to the moral failures of their wives. Another viewpoint espoused by Schlafly. Schlafly believed fathers should not be obligated to pay child support. That women should be financially secure through their husbands, not on their own merit and hard word. Despite the fact that she obtained multiple college degrees, traveled the world, and enjoyed all of the freedoms from financial burden and family homelife that she so widely touted as the ideal model.

No, she was a foul person. A hypocrite whose lifelong mission sought to hurt and destroy families who were not white, upper crust, Protestant Christian, and fit within a very specific family dynamic.

Tull said:

Your opinion.

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Backed up by Schlafly's own actions and words.

jayem · Sep 6, 2016

AceHero said:
It would've been highly entertaining to see her reacting to Hillary being elected president.

I know none of us wish anyone ill, but I was thinking that if old age hadn't taken her, that would have.

I'm kinda afraid there could be an epidemic of cardiac arrests among our conservative friends if Hillary is elected.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Sep 6, 2016

Tull said:
Your opinion.

Did she really think spousal rape was okay? If so, Are you okay with that?

mala · Sep 7, 2016

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
Did she really think spousal rape was okay? Is so, Are you okay with that?

from wikipedia
"In March 2007, Schlafly said in a speech at Bates College in Lewiston, Maine, "By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape."[49]"

The Cadet · Sep 7, 2016

mala said:
from wikipedia
"In March 2007, Schlafly said in a speech at Bates College in Lewiston, Maine, "By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape."[49]"

What a wonderful person. I am so glad that she lived to see every goal of hers thwarted.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Sep 7, 2016

mala said:
from wikipedia
"In March 2007, Schlafly said in a speech at Bates College in Lewiston, Maine, "By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape."[49]"

So I guess Tull and other people might be fine with rape.

Tull · Sep 7, 2016

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
So I guess Tull and other people might be fine with rape.

No I'm not but rape is an overused word that can mean almost anything these days,like so many other words.

Eight Foot Manchild · Sep 7, 2016

Tull said:
No I'm not but rape is an overused word that can mean almost anything these days,like so many other words.

Let me be unambiguous for you then, since it's apparently difficult to grasp - a husband physically forces penetrative sexual intercourse on his wife without her consent. Not only does she not consent, she explicitly says no and physically resists the entire time. Does that qualify as rape in your mind?

If you answer yes, congratulations, you are already a better person than Phyllis Schlafly was.

Hetta · Sep 7, 2016

jazzflower92 said:
I think it should go for both liberals and conservatives that we as a whole should learn how to treat our opponents without wishing death on each other. I believe it's a lesson all of us should learn.

I don't anything of our wishes had anything to do with her death, just sayin'.

Hetta · Sep 7, 2016

Yes, I wouldn't cry any tears for a woman who said there is no such thing as marital rape. She was a dangerous and yet ridiculous character. Who knows what damage she may have done with her careless words.

Hetta · Sep 7, 2016

Tull said:
No I'm not but rape is an overused word that can mean almost anything these days,like so many other words.

Do you think that when that particular poster says that she was "beaten and raped" she means anything other than beaten and raped? Or is she overusing words that, being a silly little woman, she doesn't quite understand?

I've just started watching Mad Men (very late in the day) and can't help but recoil with loathing from the attitudes of the 1950s. Perhaps some people have never advanced past the attitudes of that time (which absolutely served white men of course). Shame on them.

Tull · Sep 7, 2016

Eight Foot Manchild said:
Let me be unambiguous for you then, since it's apparently difficult to grasp - a husband physically forces penetrative sexual intercourse on his wife without her consent. Not only does she not consent, she explicitly says no and physically resists the entire time. Does that qualify as rape in your mind?

If you answer yes, congratulations, you are already a better person than Phyllis Schlafly was.

First lets establish the fact that i couldnt care less about what kind of person you think i am,and no i dont support sex being forced on anyone,women have no responsabilities to men in marriage anyway and marriage is a waste of time and money for them....this woman was very accomplished and successful which contradicts much of the oppressed woman nonsense

Armoured · Sep 7, 2016

Amazing all the sour grapes about marriage many Christians seem to be feeling since the bad ol' gays got in the marriage club. "It's a waste of time anyway". Seems only yesterday it was THE central issue of the culture wars, worth going to gaol or even fomenting violent revolt over.

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