Creationism Violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics!!!

Valkhorn said:

Creationists like to use the whole argument that the second law of thermodynamics violates evolution. The argument goes something like this:

1. The second law is mistakenly believed to say that something cannot come from nothing
2. Evolution is lumped together with abiogenesis and the big bang
3. Since abiogenesis claims to derive life from non life and the big bang derives nothing from something, evolution violates said 'law' of thermodynamics.

I thought about this for a few minutes when it dawned on me that, to put it bluntly:

Creationism defies the '2nd law of thermodynamics'

Creationism would claim that something came from nothing (read: god did it), and so therefore that violates the very law that they are supposedly quoting.

So really, creationism defies the 2nd law of thermodynamics by the creationists own definition of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

NOTE: I know what the real first and second law of thermodynamics are, I am only using creationist definitions of them.

Also, on the same thought, if creationists really wanted this argument to hold weight, why did they never stop to research what the second law really is, what evolution really is, and how they really don't violate each other?

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your first premise is incorrect. creationists claim the second law of thermodynamics says "the universe is winding down into constant disorder." The actual second law of thermodynamics says "net entropy always increases in a closed system." The point of misconstruing the 2nd law of thermodynamics is to claim that all individual events lead to entropy, and therefore life cannot become more complex. However, if the creationist version of the 2nd law were true, then organic materials haphazardly mixed in the digestive system could not be incorporated into the organized cells of an organism. Life could not grow, and so would never develop. Geodes and snowflakes also could not form, as their components are also less ordered than they are.
The creationist response to your argument however, is a loophole to their own "everything has a creator" claim in which they give god a free pass.

Valkhorn said:

Creationism defies the '2nd law of thermodynamics'

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No it doesn't because creationism is an idea based on nothing more than an inability to answer a question without using magic, magic negates the need to think.

Valkhorn said:

Creationism would claim that something came from nothing (read: god did it), and so therefore that violates the very law that they are supposedly quoting.

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The creationist argument using the 2nd law of thermodynamics can be defeated simply by pointing out that the creationist themselves began life as a single cell. If the 2nd law prevents a single cell from changing into a complex multicellular organism over billions of years, then how was the creationist able to achieve this feat in just 9 months?

Also, on the same thought, if creationists really wanted this argument to hold weight, why did they never stop to research what the second law really is,

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I hope that in time you come to appreciate the irony of this statement.

Loudmouth said:

I hope that in time you come to appreciate the irony of this statement.

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The reason there is creationism is because there is ignorance and laziness.

Veera Chase said:

The reason there is creationism is because there is ignorance and laziness.

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I thought it was because of the creation.

OldWiseGuy said:

I thought it was because of the creation.

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What creation? when did that happen? is this the part where the magic is brought on?

Em-T-Bag said:

What creation? when did that happen? is this the part where the magic is brought on?

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It's all 'magic' isn't it?

When the OP of this thread first posted, I was in middle school. Now I have a master's degree. Pretty sure that their original, kind of weird argument doesn't really need a response anymore if it ever did.