Should I Find a Part Time Church?

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My local Episcopal Church will soon only be celebrating the Eucharist every other Sunday (we will be doing morning prayer the other Sundays), because we can’t afford a full time priest so we will be hiring a half time priest. This gives me a heavy heart, since weekly Eucharist has come to be important to me and to my spiritual nourishment. I was thinking about maybe skipping the morning prayer services and going to a local ELCA church on the Sundays that we don’t have Eucharist (their website says they do Eucharist every Sunday). But it kind of makes me feel like a traitor. Plus, I’m worried it may confuse my kids (8 and 7 years old).

What do you guys think? Any advice?

Note: There is only one Episcopal Church in my city, so I can't just go to another Episcopal Church.
 

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My local Episcopal Church will soon only be celebrating the Eucharist every other Sunday (we will be doing morning prayer the other Sundays), because we can’t afford a full time priest so we will be hiring a half time priest. This gives me a heavy heart, since weekly Eucharist has come to be important to me and to my spiritual nourishment. I was thinking about maybe skipping the morning prayer services and going to a local ELCA church on the Sundays that we don’t have Eucharist (their website says they do Eucharist every Sunday). But it kind of makes me feel like a traitor. Plus, I’m worried it may confuse my kids (8 and 7 years old).

What do you guys think? Any advice?

Note: There is only one Episcopal Church in my city, so I can't just go to another Episcopal Church.
Live with the change.

Even if it were nearly unbearable to you to have a Sunday without the Lord's Supper, your parish has made this change out of necessity and needs your presence and continuing support.
 
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I think I would go to the ELCA service AND the morning prayer of your Episcopal parish, if it's possible regarding time.
I see your problem. Also for me the weekly Eucharist has become very important; but it looks as if it will be the same in my (Roman Catholic) parish soon.
I only have the advantage of more than one parish in my neighbourhood. So I can simply go to another.
 
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Couple of ideas:

1. The Episcopal Church and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America are now in full communion, meaning a Lutheran pastor can vest as an Episcopalian priest and celebrate the Eucharist according to the Book of Common Prayer, and an Episcopalian priest can vest as a Lutheran pastor and celebrate a Lutheran service according to their missal or it's equivalent.

It occurs to me that if you have an ELCA congregation that's close enough that you're considering going there every other week, perhaps something could be worked out to get one of their pastors over to your Episcopalian parish to celebrate the Eucharist on the weeks where your Episcopalian priest is unavailable due to cost concerns. Your parish might have to change it's Eucharist service time(s) to accommodate this if the time(s) conflict with service(s) at the Lutheran parish, but it seems like a possibility. If they are similarly struggling financially, maybe you can both hire the same priest/pastor, each paying half the salary, and have him or her do two services on Sunday- one at the Episcopalian parish and one at the Lutheran congregation, with office hours split between the two parishes/congregations. The main lectionary in both the Episcopal Church and ELCA is now the Revised Common Lectionary, so the priest or pastor could literally prepare the same sermon on the same readings every week (Granted, some Episcopalian parishes are still using the BCP lectionary, and some ELCA congregations ignore the lectionary, but under the circumstances, if this type of arrangement were worked out, it would seem prudent to both go to the RCL [If they aren't already using it], which is now the officially preferred lectionary of both groups since you want your shepherd to be able to minister to both groups).

The priest or pastor chosen would have to learn the service of the church he or she wasn't ordained in, but they are very similar services, especially if your parish uses Rite II, and they can read while an altar server holds up a book opened to the appropriate pages during the liturgy of the word and have a book set up on the altar to read from during the liturgy of the eurcharist. Many Roman Catholic priests do this for masses (I know, I was an altar server when I was a child and had to hold the book some weeks!) and they are celebrating masses in their own tradition exactly as they learned in seminary!

2. Most Episcopalian dioceses have lists of supply priests (priests who are ordained but currently not assigned- they may be semi-retired priests looking for occasional work, newly ordained priests who still haven't found a permanent position, or priests who are between positions) who you can hire by the service to come in only for the service itself for a relatively small fee (I think we're talking a couple hundred dollars a week or something like that). Often these lists are used to get a priest to fill in if the usual priest is sick or on vacation, but I don't think they have to solely used for that purpose.

I would talk to your vestry and see what can be worked out. What if you found out what the weekly cost for a supply priest (or a series of supply priests, perhaps a rotation, or a different one each week) would be to come in and celebrate the Eucharist for you when your regular priest can't, and got a few people together to pledge the funds and have them be specifically earmarked for that purpose (Maybe get an extra person or two in case some people welch- and if no one welches, the extra funds can go into the church's general fund)? Then, present it to the vestry- or talk to your senior warden before you start this and ask if he or she would be open to accepting earmarked donations specifically to hire supply priests on the Sundays without a priest and how much money would be needed.

This becomes a bit more complicated if you are mission parish that has no vestry, but you could talk to the bishop's office or the priest-in-charge you've hired to see if this is a possibility.

I mean, really, let's say the cost for a supply priest to come in and do a Eucharist service is, say, $200 per service (I am just guessing- check on the actual cost first :) ), and you only want him or her for one service per week, and only need him or her for 2 weeks out of the month (Because you already have a priest for the other two weeks, and let's say on the few months there's a fifth Sunday, *then* you do morning prayer- just for the fifth Sunday of the month when there is one), all you need are 4 people to chip in $50 each on a given Sunday where you need the supply priest, or $100 a month in special earmarked contributions in addition to their normal pledge. Let's make it 5 or 6 people just in case some people don't live up to their commitments. If you could double that 4-6 to 8-10 people, you could just do $25 each or $50 a month.

I don't know if that figure is realistic, or if you can afford part of it and find enough people who can afford it and would be willing to do it. But it's an idea.

You could either find one supply priest to handle those weeks if one was willing, or maybe call down the list from week to week and see who you can get on any given Sunday. A rotation might also be a possibility.
 
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I wont comment on the circumstances of why you only have a priest every other week, as I'm sure the circumstances somehow make it make more sense than you had first described it (possibly you have a multi-point parish?) so I'll just comment on your main question of whether or not you should go to the local Lutheran church during the weeks in which there is no priest in your local parish.

My first thought is that were I in your situation, I would continue to only attend my home parish. You have suggested there may be some degree of confusion on the part of your children if you start switching between parishes, but more than that, I would suggest that same difficulty might apply to you: how can you develop fellowship within the parish community if at most you are only attending every other week? If you happen to be unable to attend one Sunday a month, it might mean you only attend your Anglican parish once a month if the other Sunday you are unable to attend happens to be the Sunday where the priest would have been there to celebrate.

Whatever the cause of the priest only being there every other week, that sitution will not be improved if people start leaving the parish on off days. More people need to be brought in and the only way that will happen is if there is a clear commitment from the existing parishioners to build their community. Once you begin building your community, hopefully you will be able to afford to take the priest on full time and/or attract another priest who is available full time.

One possible benefit of not receiving (for a time) every Sunday is that it might encourage the congregation to consider more fully what importance they attribute to the Eucharist. After a time I wonder if it might not be possible to distribute pre-consacrated Eucharists when the priest is not there? It may well depend on what is authorized within your diocese, but I imagine there ought to be some kind of option for the lay reader (or whomever it might happen to be leading) to do that.

Lastly, if it is possible, it would be an acceptable compromise to attend your parish each week and consider going somewhere else to receive the blessed sacrament. However, you have mentioned your intention is to go to a Lutheran parish. While it is true that TEC is in full communion with ELCA, you must personally ask yourself whether or not you believe, speaking ecclesiologically and sacramentally, give witness to receiving from that parish. This is, of course, assuming it actually is ELCA. It may not be, there are other Lutheran synods in the United States which are not in communion with TEC, though I believe there is one of the smaller ones either in communion with ACNA or in discussions with them to join them? I'm not entirely familiar with the situation but it may be worth investigating. At any rate, my point is this: what are the essentials of your faith? The Lambeth Quadrilateral speaks to a few points regarding the sacraments, the order of ministry and so on. Lutherans don't entirely align with those points from the Anglican perspective, so when you receive from that Lutheran pastor, you're giving witness to the fact that you don't believe the values espoused in the Quadrilateral are truly essential to be believed.

The traditional Anglican would say that we know what we know: we know that when a priest in apostolic succession consacrates the bread and wine, Christ becomes truly present and they become his Body and Blood. We do not, however, pass judgement or claim to know what happens outside of what we know. Are you truly receiving the Body and Blood when you go to a Lutheran pastor? Is their Eucharistic theology the same as our own? Those are questions you should ask yourself before considering going there, even if it is in addition to still attending your home parish each Sunday.
 
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My local Episcopal Church will soon only be celebrating the Eucharist every other Sunday (we will be doing morning prayer the other Sundays), because we can’t afford a full time priest so we will be hiring a half time priest. This gives me a heavy heart, since weekly Eucharist has come to be important to me and to my spiritual nourishment. I was thinking about maybe skipping the morning prayer services and going to a local ELCA church on the Sundays that we don’t have Eucharist (their website says they do Eucharist every Sunday). But it kind of makes me feel like a traitor. Plus, I’m worried it may confuse my kids (8 and 7 years old).

What do you guys think? Any advice?

Note: There is only one Episcopal Church in my city, so I can't just go to another Episcopal Church.

I agree with Albion, live with the change.

While it's true that the Episcopal Church & the ELCA are in communion with eachother, switching back & forth between two churches each week would be spiritually unhealthy. First, it would make it difficult to form real relationships in your home parish. Second, it would be confusing for your children.

My vote is, stay with your Episcopal Church.
 
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It may not be, there are other Lutheran synods in the United States which are not in communion with TEC, though I believe there is one of the smaller ones either in communion with ACNA or in discussions with them to join them?

You are thinking of NALC (http://thenalc.org/), which shares much the same relationship to ELCA that ACNA shares to TEC - essentially moderates who were not on board with the queer agenda. They have a rather ambiguous agreement to share pastors in certain circumstances. Most ACNA clergy I have encountered do not know their NALC counterparts and do not care to know them. I think the agreement is largely an after-thought at this point in both bodies' developement. ACNA and NALC do currently share Trinity School for Ministry as an accepted institution for clergy formation.

One major difference betwixt the two is that NALC came down in favor of women's ordination rather early, whereas ACNA is still avoiding that issue.
 
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I'm sorry to take this very slightly off topic, but I notice that several people have commented that it would be unhealthy to switch churches, and make it hard to build relationships, if one were switching backwards and forwards all the time.

Question: would you have the same reservation about someone in a team ministry situation, who was being asked to switch back and forth?
 
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I'm sorry to take this very slightly off topic, but I notice that several people have commented that it would be unhealthy to switch churches, and make it hard to build relationships, if one were switching backwards and forwards all the time.

Question: would you have the same reservation about someone in a team ministry situation, who was being asked to switch back and forth?

Could you define it a bit more? What do you mean team ministry situation?

If it's a case of one or more clergy being responsible for multiple church buildings and having a schedule to move between them each week, but where the congregations accept it as necessary, then it's the situation you have to deal with. Obviously the idea would be to work towards restoring full-time ministry to each congregation.
 
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Okay, so this is all about me and an ongoing argument I'm having within my ministry context.

There are two adjoining parishes which are sharing staff. They have a vicar and a curate (I'm the curate). And rather than the vicar looking after one place and the curate the other, the two of us are swapping backwards and forwards between the two parishes. There are benefits and drawbacks to this arrangement, but I must admit I'm finding it quite difficult for exactly the sorts of reasons people are advising the OP not to swap between two churches.

So I guess what I'm trying to work through is whether that's my issue which I just need to deal with until I grow out of it, or whether it's something many people would find an issue in the dynamics of ministry and perhaps needs to be revisited.

Does that make sense?
 
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Aye, I will also encourage you to embrace the change as difficult as it is.

However, perhaps I may offer something from a different perspective. The core of my own personal worship has always been the Daily Office, sniping Eucharist when I am able to (sometimes as little as once every other month – although I am physically at church doing church-related things about 3 times a week, in the average week none of those days are Sunday). It was not until relatively recently that Eucharist became a weekly thing within the Anglican/Episcopal tradition, even.

For those "off" Sundays where there is only Morning Prayer, I would encourage you to see about organizing a full Office over the course of the day: Morning, Noonday, Evening, and Compline. It might help muster some morale and feed your spiritual needs as an individual and as a congregation.
 
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I'm sorry to take this very slightly off topic, but I notice that several people have commented that it would be unhealthy to switch churches, and make it hard to build relationships, if one were switching backwards and forwards all the time.

Question: would you have the same reservation about someone in a team ministry situation, who was being asked to switch back and forth?
No. The ministers would be doing all those missions, etc. a service. My reservation about switching back and forth concerned him weakening the parish he belongs to by his absence, etc. more than anything else. I realize that other posters had somewhat different concerns, however, and your question may have been directed at them more than me.
 
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I have been to services where the sacrament was reserved and distributed by a deacon, but this was an Independent Catholic parish. I'm not sure if Episcopalians have ever done this.

The ELCA often shares ministry with other denominations. I have been to an ELCA service where the pastor was Presbyterian. He used the anamensis and anaphora from Presbyterian service books. In the ELCA's theology, this isn't a problem because the efficacy of the sacrament is tied to the Words of Institution. The main thing these intercommunion agreements stipulate is that the pastor or priest not teach doctrines contrary to the host church. So a Presbyterian elder would not be permitted to preach contrary to the Lutheran doctrine of the bodily presence of Christ, for instance, at a Lutheran church.

In the Lutheran tradition, Holy Communion is a normal part of the Divine Service, and it's frequent absence was traditionally a mark of distinction from Anglican and Reformed churches, who held their Lord's Supper much less frequently, until relatively recently historically.

CanadianAnglican makes a good point. Despite the limited intercommunion agreement with the Episcopal Church (which were highly controversial among conservative Lutherans, BTW), Lutherans retain their historic beliefs, and the ELCA regards episcopal co-consecration as a concession to Episcopalians, not as changing doctrine, recognizing the bound conscience of most Episcopalians on the matter. Lutherans believe the efficacy of Holy Communion is not dependent on apostolic succession. This is something for you to consider, but it mostly impacts Anglo-Catholics and High Church Anglicans who insist that apostolic succession is the definitive mark of the Church.
 
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I have been to services where the sacrament was reserved and distributed by a deacon, but this was an Independent Catholic parish. I'm not sure if Episcopalians have ever done this.

It is sometimes done, but controversial, here. (The biggest argument I ever had with other seminarians was over whether or not I should do this as a student on placement!)
 
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