Explosions in Brussels

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

1.) That is an opinion piece on Al Jazeera. There is another Al Jazeera documentary about whether there is an international conspiracy against Turkey (and they seem to say yes):

2.) You still have not proven Erdogan's Ottoman vision for Turkish expansion. Just because the West and secular Muslims hate that Turkey is becoming more religious/less secular does not mean allegations can be thrown around without proving them.



Yeah. S/he made that up. I watched the entire video and no one said they were a part of ISIS nor was there a Turkmen organization mentioned that was antagonistic to the Kurds. There were people who said they'd rather live under ISIS than the Kurds who took over because ISIS was more disciplined, religious, and didn't displace them from their homes whereas the Kurds made them leave from Arab towns. Yeah, they were strict says one woman and made women cover their faces, but they never forced them out of their homes.

The Turkmen, the president of town council, explained that before ISIS and the Kurds took over their town, everyone got along regardless of ethnicity or religion (and the fact that he is a Turkmen and was the president of the council seems to bolster this claim). They were all brothers; the Kurds were given 40% of the aid by this council. He says that when ISIS came and displaced the Kurds, the Kurds equated all Arabs with ISIS. Then the PKK came and displaced the Arabs - now the Arabs will resent the Kurds even though not most of the Kurds in the town had nothing to do with the PKK. Antagonistic towards Kurds? Please.



Well, maybe it could have something to do with the fact that the eyewitnesses/victims of these war crimes stated it was the YPG that razed their villages. Here is an excerpt from the full report by Amnesty:



But I guess since the perpetrators are not religious Sunni Muslims (it's okay if they're secularists who still call themselves Sunni Muslims), they get a pass to do all these things and they must still be supported.



1.) I didn't say anyone died in these incidents. Me bringing up these events is to show there is more evidence of the PKK vision for Kurdish expansion than Erdogan's "Ottoman vision for Turkish expansion" as well as in reply to your statement that, "The Kurds have helped Christians providing safe haven for Iraqi Christians - another example of their maturity as a people and their readiness for nationhood."

2.) Mass executions by Assad's regime/allies are clearly documented but you insist on defending Assad and saying he should be supported over others who are no were near as bad as him.



And take for example this article from the same outlet that details the mass extermination of the civilian population that Assad's regime is committing. It amazes me that any Christian, let alone sane person, could support these people when the evidence against them demonstrates that they are murderers and massacre the innocent with the guilty:

Syria: Assad regime kills so many detainees it amounts to 'extermination' of civilian population, UN says



1.) You are endorsing the regime. Hezbollah is helping the regime stay in power. Hezbollah, in fact, makes fun of the SAA for not being able to fight against the rebels and needing outside help like theirs.

2.) I don't think you read the wikipedia article very clearly as there is no basic discussion within Hezbollah mentioned in it. Instead, there are condemnations from other political leaders within and outside of Lebanon.

3.) I did not just limit it to Hezbollah. There is also the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. There are the Shi'a militias from Iraq (where they are also committing these sorts of disgusting crimes). There are other Shi'a militias from around the world that were sent by Iran to Syria.

4.) Evidence is not scant. Syrians recently fleeing Syria were interviewed:

Her husband, Yasser, a merchant who owned two stores in the city, disagrees with this analysis—he thinks Shiite militias supported by Iran are an even greater danger than Putin’s air force. “We ran away from the city because we know that after the Russians will finish it, the Iranians will come in. The Iranians are sending people to kill us for Assad.”

These militias, which are entering Syria from neighboring Iraq, have quite a reputation when it comes to killing. “They are just like ISIS, only difference is they are Shi’a and they talk Farsi,” says Yasser. “Tell me—why isn’t anyone bombing them? Why is the entire world only talking about ISIS? The Iranians in Syria burn people alive, burn children and women. Where is the world?”

Is the U.S. Supporting Mass Extermination In Syria?



I went through the document to find evidence of a genocide in Syria. Regarding the city mentioned under footnote 12 (Sadad), HRW says,

"Residents of Sadad said that over the week that opposition fighters were in the village, fighters mostly did not target or abuse residents, but that in some instances, they endangered and killed civilians and people in their custody and intentionally damaged and looted civilian sites, including churches."

There were an estimated 2,000 fighters and 44-45 civilians died during the battle between the rebels and regime forces. Residents themselves say that the fighters were, for the most part, not targeting or abusing the residents. Again, this is not a genocide.

As for the other "evidence", it is the words of a Patriarch and an Archbishop, both of whom are pro-Assad/regime and anti-rebels since the beginning. It is known among the Syrian community (and among Syrian Christians themselves) that many of their leaders are sold out to Assad's regime.

But let's assume that their words are accurate. It is against ISIS and not the rebels. Once more I will reiterate that it is the rebels who had the most continued success against ISIS without much outside help even though they are being targeted on many fronts (Assad, Hezbollah, IRG, Shi'a militias, Kurds, coalition at times, and ISIS itself). Assad has mainly left ISIS alone and his attacks against the rebels at times seemed coordinated with ISIS. Assad is the biggest customer of ISIS oil.



He is the dictator who is only in power because his father staged a coup and he is suppressing the majority of the people of the country today. As for the little evidence bit, that is speculation whereas what Assad has done is reality. He/allies have killed ~200k civilians.

Secondly, no one is advocating ISIS come into power. I don't know why you and others keep trying to present it as Assad vs. ISIS when after all these years, it's mainly Assad vs. rebels and ISIS vs. rebels.

He is not going to stay in power for long. God-willing his soul will be taken to meet his Lord Who commanded not to intentionally target non-combatants.



Hopefully you will admit that the quora user lied and you believed it without fact-checking the video s/he himself posted. I think they were banking on no one actually taking the time to watch the video.

Secondly, how was that a reasonable response to: "And how does committing ethnic cleansing against the Arab inhabitants (and even Kurdish ones, including those who disagree with their terrorism) help them in their war for existence? How does their "war for existence" justify their ethnic cleansing?"

Thirdly, for some reason you lumped Assad's genocide and atrocities with theirs and claimed there was no genocide. I'm hoping that was a mistake.



I'm afraid that's not evidence of what I asked for which was: 1.) Which non-combatant Shias and Yazidis are they killing in Syria?

Just in case it escaped your notice, I was asking about the revolutionaries (i.e. rebels). Not ISIS. But that link didn't even provide that evidence for ISIS not that I'd ever claim that they don't target non-combatants for just their religion.



Please tell your Christian brothers and sisters to stop fighting against ISIS and maybe "they will stop killing you"



1.) You do realize that's exactly what the regime and its allies do (including using human shileds)? Shabiha are (regime) combatants in civilian clothes and they've been in play since the uprising began. The rebels do not use the civilian population as human shields. If they have, it was a one-off thing.

2.) Clearly there was a way to produce such a percentage and the organization that did gave its methodology. Just because you, an observer with likely no contacts on the ground in Syria, say that there isn't doesn't mean that the organization that does have numerous contacts on the ground cannot.

3.) And, um, support for ISIS does not extend thoroughly at all into the civilian community (I'd imagine though, that saying support for the regime seems to extend so thoroughly into "what you describe" as the civilian community among Christians would not be looked upon very kindly if I used that as an excuse for Christian deaths).

There is a difference between daesh/ISIS (which does not enjoy popular support among the Syrian population) vs the rebels (who do enjoy popular support as they are defending the majority of the civilian population against the regime and its allies).



I say the exact same for the regime and its allies.



And if you actually talked to the people who have escaped Assad, you would see you're in the wrong. But you probably would dismiss their arguments and blame their suffering on them (just stop fighting him, etc.).

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ranunculus said:

Both the metro system and Brussels airport were the target of apparent terrorist attacks. It's unclear as of now how many victims there are.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35869254

https://www.rt.com/news/336519-explosions-hit-brussels-airport/

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Sistrin said:

Consider the reaction to Islamic terrorism committed against Western States beginning with September 11th, 2001. The reaction of the left, particularly the American left, is always the same. This was originally said by another, but it is true. On September 11th, 2001, liberals in this country finally found a religion they could embrace wholeheartedly. The pattern of reaction to events such as this hasn't changed since.



Of course I am addressing the issue, just not in a manner you approve. In addition I have arguing this issue for quite some time here over a number of different threads. If you actually have any interest in my position simply research my post.



Your leader isn't God.



Yeah, like when following a brutal attack against a group of journalist in Paris our leaders response is to have James Taylor sing a song. Or to go give a speech concerning where the first Mosque in America was built.

Do you believe the day will ever come when the American left will question its philosophy? As in gee, the left might think, after every Islamic terrorist attack we make speeches about not giving the terrorist what they want, and how wonderful and sacred the Islamic religion is, and refuse to denigrate the Islamic terrorist by calling them Islamic terrorist, and blame ourselves, and blame Conservatives, and talk about how Christians are really the greatest evil in the world, and talk about gun control, and wail against Islamophobia, and go to Mosque known to have housed terrorist to grovel, and none of it has ever worked. They keep attacking us. Perhaps we should consider some other approach?

The answer is no. This self-reflection will never occur. Instead, just as has already occurred following this evet, the left will continue to issue the exact same talking points and double down. Seriously, is no one concerned that while the Belgium authorities were picking up the pieces from this attack our President was watching a baseball game in Cuba, sitting next to Cuban President Raul Castro?

Obama does the wave with Castro at baseball game in Cuba


Of course not. Because Hope and Change.

Communist Cuban Tyrant Raul Castro to Lead Latin American Bloc

In an ironic but predictable development that has establishment analysts scratching their heads and human-rights organizations up in arms, brutal Communist dictator Raul Castro of Cuba just assumed the rotating presidency of a regional “integration” body that touts itself as being in favor of “democracy.” Upon assuming his new role, the Marxist tyrant, who leads one of the most oppressive regimes in the world and will now be charged with running the supranational CELAC bloc, celebrated what he called "a common vision for the Latin American and Caribbean homeland.”

Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/world...nt-raul-castro-takes-over-latin-american-bloc



Nor did I make that claim.



The spread of radical Islamic terrorism is due to radical Islamic terrorism. You act as if Islamic terrorism has no history prior to January of 2001.

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GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

Most of the terrorist acts in the west are not what you think they are. They are either hoaxes or false flags. The Illuminati is co-opting Islam, knowing full well that there are actual terrorist attacks in the middle east by Muslims. Therefore, they are creating fakes in order to carry out their one-world goal.

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Oafman said:

What's their 'one-world goal', and how do terror attacks move them closer to achieving it?

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GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

The terrorist attacks, whether real or staged (most are staged in western countries), are designed to give legitimacy to the problems of terrorism, so that rogue governments and nations who would oppose the New World Order can be taken out with less opposition from the west. It's also been shown that ISIS is an illuminati concoction. The killing is real, but it appears that they may be working for the Illuminati, or working in conjunction with them.

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GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

They are using Islam by purposefully creating problems in the middle East to destabilize the region. This includes putting in governments that can't control the warring factions. Secondly, it means taking out any leaders or nations that were viewed as rogue. With this destabilization, they then can use radical Muslims to carry out terrorist attacks on the population. Since many of the leaders who did keep things in check are taken out, this destabilizes the region even more and provides the impetus to allow for Muslims to self-deport into Europe. They then say that Muslims are welcome into Europe and facilitate a mass invasion that will only weaken the cultural and economic strength of those nations, plus weaken any resolve against a New World Order (after all, if the nations are a hodge podge of nationalities, there won't be enough of the original populations to generate the support to fight the loss of sovereignty.) It's the same reason that the Illuminati has weakened immigration policies and borders in all western nations. Sure, they aren't going to come right out and say, "we're the illuminati", but it is what it is, and can be ascertained, when you see the individual pieces.

Changing the electorate opens up the countries to supporting their policies, as immigrant communities are easily manipulated, and with high numbers of immigrants, the historical population often doesn't have enough national support to fight off these evil motives, considering that about 30-40% of the native population is also duped. Immigrant communities are also easily swayed to vote for politicians who basically do the bidding of the New World Order, as they are usually ignorant about the ways in which things should be run in the countries in which they are residing.

Therefore, the bringing in this New World Order is multifaceted, and I believe that it is the foreshadow of the beast system spoken of in the Bible.

One aspect of the foreshadow of the beast system is the destabilizing the middle east, so as to provide the impetus to allow foreigners to migrate into the nations most likely to fight the beast system.

Another aspect of the foreshadowing to the beast system is using these new populations to bring about their goals at the ballot box

Of course, weakening currencies to lead to eventual collapse is another.

The terrorist attacks, whether real or staged (most are staged in western countries), are designed to give legitimacy to the problems of terrorism, so that rogue governments and nations who would oppose the New World Order can be taken out with less opposition from the west. It's also been shown that ISIS is an illuminati concoction. The killing is real, but it appears that they may be working for the Illuminati, or working in conjunction with them.

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Oafman said:

OK, thanks.

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Picky Picky said:

I expect I'll regret this, but which terrorist attacks in the west are staged, and how do you know? Is there any way anyone could justify the statement: "It's also been shown that ISIS is an Illuminati concoction" ?

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GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

There is a lot of fakery going on. It's obvious when you look into the details.

Hoaxes or False Flags

Boston Marathon
Sandy Hook
San Bernardino
Virginia TV Reporter Shooting
Brussels
Paris
9-11

others

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GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

There is a lot of fakery going on. It's obvious when you look into the details.

Hoaxes or False Flags...

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Sistrin said:

I realize the can of worms being opened here, and what the probable reaction from the usual suspects will be. However from your list one event struck me as odd from the moment it was first reported.

Here is what I know to be true. In a free society such as the citizens of the United States have enjoyed, the easiest and most effective manner in which to coerce those citizens to willingly give up portions of that freedom is to convince them it is for their own good. The Patriot Act is the most obvious example of that theorem. I am not saying 9-11 was actually a US government operation or that Bush knew or blah blah blah. In regard to the event I am saying one thing and one thing only. Without 9-11 the Patriot Act could not have been passed; at least not at that time.

During the Nuremberg Trials Herman Goering stated this, quote:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

In that regard, from the New York Times:

Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.

"THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts.

But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested."

And from FOX News:

There exist more than one approachable angle from which to view this phenomena. The FBI could merely be engaged in weeding out those from society with the potential to engage in such terrorist activities. But another theory holds even if that is one hundred percent true, someone else could use the numbers cited by the FBI to advance another agenda. One example would be support or justification for the growing militarization of police forces across the US.

Of course such efforts would not be limited to the War on Terror.

When you factor in the willing dupes, the useful idiots who immediately champion whatever policy issues from their political icons, it becomes clear political maneuverings are often targeted at a particular segment of the society. A sizable percentage of gun control advocates are nothing more than willing dupes, parroting whatever the President, or Hillary Clinton, or some angry activist, has to say on the subject. Currently Second Amendment supporters still represent a powerful lobbying body. But if you wanted to hand the anti-Second Amendment gun control activist a powerful weapon capable of silencing a portion of even the most ardent supporters of the individual right to own firearms, Sandy Hook was made to order.

I have children. If one of them were killed and I was going to give an interview about it a few days later, I wouldn't be laughing and making jokes about it seconds prior to going on the air. Robbie Parker, father of victim Emily Parker, was caught on video doing just that:

Note his actor like transition from laughter to grief. And the CGI glitch.

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GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

Parker is "33" in numerology, giving credence that it was freemasons (Illuminati) behind the act. "

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Oafman said:

Because, no clandestine global evil organisation would ever launch a secret campaign to take over the world without providing some warning, through the medium of vague numerical clues.

If only people weren't so blind.

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Armoured said:

And the height of the Great Pyramid of Giza is 146.5 metres, which, multiplied by 33 is 4834 miles, which is the precise number of miles between Brussels and Bangalore, well known as the headquarters of the Illuminati.

Think about it.

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Armoured said:

And the height of the Great Pyramid of Giza is 146.5 metres, which, multiplied by 33 is 4834 miles, which is the precise number of miles between Brussels and Bangalore, well known as the headquarters of the Illuminati.

Think about it.

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