Apparent Age & The Incredible Foreknowledge of God

ScottA said:

The scriptures say otherwise.

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Where? Give me the biblical reference!

ScottA said:

Time began in the Beginning

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ScottA said:

but God shall remain, timeless, as He has always been.

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What is your source? Is it the Bible or the speculations of theologians and philosophers?

If God is timeless, what does this mean? Do you mean that there is no sequence to his thoughts and actions. I suspect that your belief is in a static or Platonic God and that he is the "unmoved mover."

If I am right, then your God is probably not the one described in the Bible but rather the one manufactured by Socrates and Plato.

Goonie said:

Interesting articles
http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/appearance.html

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Thanks for this link. I may not agree with everything contained in it, but their web page is very attractive.

SkyWriting said:

So it would seem for us, yes.

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Amen, and He has gone to the 3rd Heaven to prepare a place for us, since He is going to burn the present evil world, just like He destroyed Adam's world in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7

1. *** ETERNALNESS He always has existed and always will exist.
   He had no beginning and will never cease to exist.
2. OMNIPOTENCE He is all powerful.
3. OMNIPRESENCE He is everywhere at the same time.

The is only One Thing which fits this description and most of us have experienced it. It's the invisible Spirit of Love, which we call God. He lives today in Jesus in the 3rd Heaven. Jesus is soon returning for His own. Amen?

Aman777 said:

Amen, and He has gone to the 3rd Heaven to prepare a place for us, since He is going to burn the present evil world, just like He destroyed Adam's world in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7

1. *** ETERNALNESS He always has existed and always will exist.
   He had no beginning and will never cease to exist.
2. OMNIPOTENCE He is all powerful.
3. OMNIPRESENCE He is everywhere at the same time.

The is only One Thing which fits this description and most of us have experienced it. It's the invisible Spirit of Love, which we call God. He lives today in Jesus in the 3rd Heaven. Jesus is soon returning for His own. Amen?

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What? No Omniscience?

Aman777 said:

Amen, and He has gone to the 3rd Heaven to prepare a place for us, since He is going to burn the present evil world, just like He destroyed Adam's world in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7

1. *** ETERNALNESS He always has existed and always will exist.
   He had no beginning and will never cease to exist.
2. OMNIPOTENCE He is all powerful.
3. OMNIPRESENCE He is everywhere at the same time.

The is only One Thing which fits this description and most of us have experienced it. It's the invisible Spirit of Love, which we call God. He lives today in Jesus in the 3rd Heaven. Jesus is soon returning for His own. Amen?

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I found no mention of a 3rd Heaven in your passage. As for the world being destroyed
by the flood, God's focus has always been on the society that existed before the flood
and not on the dirt itself.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+3:3-7

Nic Samojluk said:

According to Gen. 5:4, Adam had other sons and daughters. This means that Cain married his sister. Where do you get the idea that he married someone not related to his own family? Cain did not find people in Nod. He moved there and populated Nod with his progeny. Did you read the article I posted which explains how this took place?

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Not Scriptural since Cain was sent away from the Lord's presence...forever.

Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Gen 6:1-4 identifies the people Adam's daughters married as the sons of God which are prehistoric people made on Adam's Earth AND the present Earth on the 5th day, Gen 1:21 some 5+ Billion years ago, in man's time. We have found their bones and can identify Lucy as the first to walk upright. Her bones prove it. The false ToE has misidentified the sons of God (prehistoric people) with Adam's descendants which are all Humans.

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God (prehistoric people) saw the daughters of men (Heb-Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

ecco said:

What? No Omniscience?

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Sorry, it got lost in the editing of the post.

13 Bible Verses about
God, Omniscience Of

Nic Samojluk said:

I have no problem with this! Our planet is probably very old, but life on earth is relatively young.

Perhaps the story of the creation of our planet and the creation of life on earth is conflated like the description of the destruction of the city of Jerusalem and the end of the world found in Matthew 24.

Jesus seems to have combined in said chapter two events separated by thousands of years into a single one.

This would mean that Genesis one describes the creation of our planet in the distant past, followed by the more recent story of the creation of life on an old planet.

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Genesis Chapter 1 is the entire History of the first 6 Days or periods of Labor in which God made and filled His perfect 3rd Heaven with Christians. You can find the entire History of God's 7 Day creation in the first 34 verses of Genesis. Amen?

lesliedellow said:

I have yet to hear a creationist give an even 1% credible answer as to why God would want to make a brand new Earth look 4.6 billion years old, and a brand new universe look 13.8 billion years old, when they were both only 0 seconds old at the time.

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According to scripture, both estimates are not wrong.

Likely, time began when Adam sinned against God.
Time, as we experience it, is simply God delaying
our well-earned annihilation for separating from the
fellowship of God.

It wasn't easy for God to Create a place for us to bide
our time while he sent His Son to die in our stead.

But He created Adam from the Created soil and the
dust allowed for us to exist desperate from God.
Time is just a grace period and it slowly destroys
all that has been made. See Entropy.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

I will grant that interpretation that a literal reading of Genesis says that the Earth is 6,000 years old is an interpretation by man (Bishop Usher) but the claim would still be deceptive since the Bible is not a history text book.

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It is most a history Text book about how man copes with not being
in fellowship with God anymore. And what God has done about that.

lesliedellow said:

If that was true, which it isn't, it is difficult to see how it could be anything other than deliberate deception by God.

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But that is true of any of God works, so not a good point.

New Testament Recorded Miracles
(deliberate deceptions by God?)
of Jesus with corresponding Scripture passages

• Jesus changed water into wine (John 2:1-11).
• Jesus cured the nobleman's son (John 4:46-47).
• The great haul of fishes (Luke 5:1-11).
• Jesus cast out an unclean spirit (Mark 1:23-28).
• Jesus cured Peter's mother-in-law of a fever (Mark 1:30-31).
• Jesus healed a leper (Mark 1:40-45).
• Jesus healed the centurion's servant (Matthew 8:5-13).
• Jesus raised the widow's son from the dead (Luke 7:11-18).
• Jesus stilled the storm (Matthew 8:23-27).
• Jesus cured two demoniacs (Matthew 8:28-34).
• Jesus cured the paralytic (Matthew 9:1-8).
• Jesus raised the ruler's daughter from the dead (Matthew 9:18-26).
• Jesus cured a woman of an issue of blood (Luke 8:43-48).
• Jesus opened the eyes of two blind men (Matthew 9:27-31).
• Jesus loosened the tongue of a man who could not speak (Matthew 9:32-33).
• Jesus healed an invalid man at the pool called Bethesda (John 5:1-9).
• Jesus restored a withered hand (Matthew 12:10-13).
• Jesus cured a demon-possessed man (Matthew 12:22).
• Jesus fed at least five thousand people (Matthew 14:15-21).
• Jesus healed a woman of Canaan (Matthew 15:22-28).
• Jesus cured a deaf and mute man (Mark 7:31-37).
• Jesus fed at least four thousand people (Matthew 15:32-39).
• Jesus opened the eyes of a blind man (Mark 8:22-26).
• Jesus cured a boy who was plagued by a demon (Matthew 17:14-21).
• Jesus opened the eyes of a man born blind (John 9:1-38)
• Jesus cured a woman who had been afflicted eighteen years (Luke 13:10-17).
• Jesus cured a man of dropsy (Luke 14:1-4).
• Jesus cleansed ten lepers (Luke 17:11-19).
• Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead (John 11:1-46).
• Jesus opened the eyes of two blind men (Matthew 20:30-34).
• Jesus caused the fig tree to wither (Matthew 21:18-22).
• Jesus restored the ear of the high priest's servant (Luke 22:50-51).
• Jesus rose from the dead (Luke 24:5-6).
• The second great haul of fishes (John 21:1-14).

SkyWriting said:

I found no mention of a 3rd Heaven in your passage. As for the world being destroyed
by the flood, God's focus has always been on the society that existed before the flood
and not on the dirt itself.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+3:3-7

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Here are the verses with my view in black:

2pet3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

This is what the believers in the False ToE preach to our innocent children in the public schools today. They teach them the Big Lie early and continue to preach it all the way through School.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed utterly completely) 7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The heavens and earth, which are now, is speaking of the present 2nd Heaven. Aren't you happy that God made THREE Heavens? I will be happy to show this from both the Old and New Testaments that Adam's world is NO more, it is gone. Want chapter and verse? Or do you agree with the Scoffers of the last days? Amen?

Heissonear said:

The Natural Realm was Created in 6 days.

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Sure, but many strange things happened that week
such as the Sun not existing part of the week.

Our 24 hour method of tracking time simply
did not apply.

24 hours for the earth to spin and get shined on.

Which time zone was used as reference?
Did Creation follow the (later developed)
sun cycle across the globe as it spun?

Our 24 hour method of tracking time simply
did not apply.

Aman777 said:

Here are the verses with my view in black:

2pet3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

This is what the believers in the False ToE preach to our innocent children in the public schools today. They teach them the Big Lie early and continue to preach it all the way through School.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed utterly completely) 7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The heavens and earth, which are now, is speaking of the present 2nd Heaven. Aren't you happy that God made THREE Heavens? I will be happy to show this from both the Old and New Testaments that Adam's world is NO more, it is gone. Want chapter and verse? Or do you agree with the Scoffers of the last days? Amen?

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I still see no 2nd or 3rd anything in Scripture.
Only in your sermons are they added as scripture.
But I am happy to not have been a part
of society that perished in the flood.

SkyWriting said:

Sure, but many strange things happened that week
such as the Sun not existing part of the week.

Our 24 hour method of tracking time simply
did not apply.

24 hours for the earth to spin and get shined on.

Which time zone was used as reference?
Did Creation follow the (later developed)
sun cycle across the globe as it spun?

Our 24 hour method of tracking time simply
did not apply.

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Amen and here is a Day to God. It's a yowm, which in Hebrew means a period of time. It comes from a word to mean Hot, and has nothing to do with the rotation of our earth. It's simple an expression for the beginning of a work to the end of it. God works ONLY 6 Days or Ages and He is still working today, creating sinners into immortal beings in Christ. His rest will NOT come until His 6 Days of Labor are over.

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.

Humans are the host of Heaven, so the last sinner to be saved is among the host of Heaven WHEN God rests because His perfect 3rd Heaven has finally been brought to perfection, a future event. THEN God will rest for the 7th Day, which is Eternity since it has no evening for we will live in the Eternal Present, forever, thanks to Jesus. Amen?