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Oncedeceived said:

So in your estimation, what does explain the world and our place in it?

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Nihilist Virus said:

What makes you think an explanation has been found?

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Nihilist Virus said:

What makes you think an explanation has been found?

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ScottA said:

When I asked that question of God, not only did He answer, He raised me up above the Earth and showed me, then led me to His word and gave me confirmation of all that is written. And I am only one of many who have heard this from God Himself.

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Oncedeceived said:

I would assume from this that you have no "belief" in any explanation for the world or our place in it?

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Nihilist Virus said:

Then you are assuming.

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Nihilist Virus said:

Confirmation of all that is written? Even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff?

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Oncedeceived said:

Ok, so?

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ScottA said:

There are no contradictions, only misunderstandings. If you have an example, I would be happy to explain.

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Nihilist Virus said:

I did give you one, and you responded with absolute nonsense.

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ScottA said:

If I have told you the truth and it is nonsense to you, then the truth is of no interest to you. It is an indication that you are FAR from the truth and do not recognize it.

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Nihilist Virus said:

So ask the OP if she's OK with you dragging the conversation off topic.

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Oncedeceived said:

She is the one that took it in that direction. So no answer then?

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Nihilist Virus said:

What you told me was essentially that a question along the lines of, "Who was the fourth president of the United States?" is nonsensical. That was the explanation as to why my proposed contradiction was not a contradiction.

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ScottA said:

Sorry, you lost me...I don't recall. Happy to take another shot at it though.

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1. Josiah had four sons, and they are listed in order of birth (1 Chronicles 3:15). In order, they are Johanan, Jehoiakim/Eliakim, Zedekiah, and Shallum/Jehoahaz.

1a. Jehoiakim=Eliakim (2 Kings 23:34, 2 Chronicles 36:4).

1b. Shallum=Jehoahaz (2 Kings 23:30,Jeremiah 22:11).

2. Jehoiakim had two sons (1 Chronicles 3:16), one of whom is named Zedekiah.

3. Note the important distinction which I will maintain: Zedekiah in bold is the son of Josiah, and Zedekiah with the underscore is the son of Jehoiakim.

"Zedekiah" was 21 years old when he became king and reigned 11 years (2 Kings 24:18). First assume this is referring to Zedekiah.

I. Jehoahaz is 23 years old when he begins to reign, and reigns for 3 months (2 Kings 23:31,2 Chronicles 36:2).

II. Jehoiakim succeeds Jehoahaz (2 Kings 23:33-34, 2 Chronicles 36:4).

III. Jehoiakim is 25 years old when he begins to reign, and reigns for 11 years (2 Kings 23:36, 2 Chronicles 36:5).

IV. Jehoiakim is succeeded by Jehoiachin, who reigns for 3 months (2 Kings 24:6-8, 2 Chronicles 36:8-9).

V. Jehoiachin is succeeded by Zedekiah (2 Kings 24:17, 2 Chronicles 36:10).

VI. Zedekiah was 21 years old when he became king, and reigns for 11 years. (2 Kings 24:18, 2 Chronicles 36:11).

VII. The chronological progression from I. to VI. tells us that Jehoahaz is 23 years old (I.) + 3 months (I.) + 11 years (III.) + 3 months (IV.) = 34.5 years old (or at least would be if he were alive) at the same time that Zedekiah is 21 years old. But 1. from the very top tells us that Jehoahaz is Zedekiah's younger brother. Therefore Zedekiah is younger than his younger brother, a contradiction.

Now assume it is Zedekiah that reigns.

Then this contradicts the prophecy given that Jehoiakim will have no offspring reign after him (Jeremiah 36:30), since Zedekiah is his son. And this is not a "bounce" on the throne because he reigns for 11 years.

QED

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So far I have only appealed to your use of the scriptures to reason that you are simply reading it wrong (and you are). But since you asked for a timeline...let's cut to the chase and get to the real root of your misunderstanding: There is NO timeline.

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Nihilist Virus said:

I said this:



After some back and forth banter, you replied with this:



Since then I have been under the assumption that you are here only for your own amusement.

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ScottA said:

You had discovered a puzzle at best, and not necessarily a contradiction. My response, was to stop you from continuing down the rabbit hole. God Himself confused all language (including scripture) at the tower of Babel. Do not be surprised by riddles.

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If on the other hand, you have any serious would-be contradictions, there are answers, and I would be happy to share them.

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mmksparbud said:

I am not even going to try and answer this one--not addressed to me--just trying to figure out what you are trying to come up with---

(2Ki 24:17 JPS) And the king of Babylon made Mattaniah his father's brother king in his stead, and changed his name to Zedekiah.
(2Ch 36:10 JPS) And at the return of the year king Nebuchadnezzar sent, and brought him to Babylon, with the goodly vessels of the house of the LORD, and made Zedekiah his brother king over Judah and Jerusalem.
(2Ch 36:11 JPS) Zedekiah was twenty and one years old when he began to reign; and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem;

I am getting dizzy---which Zedekiah are talking about?? 'cause there are about 3!

1Ki_22:11 And Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah made him horns of iron: and he said, Thus saith the LORD, With these shalt thou push the Syrians, until thou have consumed them.
(1Ch 3:16 JPS) And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son.

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Nihilist Virus said:

You want to stop me from continuing down the rabbit hole? Coming from someone who claims to have experienced divine revelation?



I would say the one I just provided knocked your block off. The contradiction is clear, but cannot be presented in a concise manner. So how about this one:

2 Kings 8:26 vs 2 Chronicles 22:2

Also, we are going off topic so I apologize to the original poster if I am causing a disruption.

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