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Ben Carson being ignored for His Pro-Choice Record in Supporting Abortion - How is He Pro-Life?

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Ben Carson's perplexing stance on abortion

Seeing it come up a couple of times over the past couple of months - especially from people saying "See, you'll get a real black president who values life!!" (due to the belief that President Obama loves Planned Parenthood), I will say this once...and only once: Facts are Facts and Dr. Ben Carson has consistently been for abortion as much as other presidents.

Seeing it come up a couple of times over the past couple of months - especially from people saying "See, you'll get a real black president who values life!!" (due to the belief that President Obama loves Planned Parenthood), I will say this once...and only once: Facts are Facts and Dr. Ben Carson has consistently been for abortion as much as other presidents. It does not matter what you say, as what matters is what you did. And for everyone championing the man, please be consistent if saying others are not for Christ for being pro-choice when there is silence on others doing the same who are suddenly propped up as "God's choice"

It comes off a bit shocking when people approach you (as a black person) thinking you didn't already do research (years in advance) on people you value and then saying "Aren't you so excited about having the opportunity for another black president who'll do right?" - not even realizing how much it comes off very racist since it assumes that the issue was ever about finding the "right kind of black guy to lead the nation" when others never were looking just for a Black icon...and all they really said (even if unintended) was they have found someone who's black with their views that they're comfortable with - the reason we say President Obama isn't really a true "black president" but Dr. Carson is somehow superior because of his conservative stances being assumed as the true 'American values', even if we must ignore how his stances are just as troublesome as the current president we have. I didn't vote for President Obama nor the Republican ticket in the last term because of abortion being one key reason, but I honor him as our nation's leader - and I'm saddened we didn't honor the current president we have on several points, even when he was advocating righteousness at differing points (i.e. fathers taking care of their children/'Responsible Fatherhood Initiatives, helping mothers needing support for kids, etc.) - many were quick to rightly critique him where he seemed off with abortion....but why did comments reign like saying "He doesn't value black lives/children because of not condemning abortion!" in his term and yet Dr. Carson is excused for the same tendencies??? It doesn't add up...

I will always value Dr. Carson for his books (like "Gifted Hands") and his work in medicine which inspired my mom in her studying to be an Ob-Gyn. But as we both noted sometime ago, doing good in one area does NOT make you above reproach and it definitely does not mean you get a pass because you're not in the camp I'm against. I am definitely not down with the idol of Conservatism that assumes all things are sanctified simply because you claim to be a Republican. This also goes for the Democrats as well, seeing where there have been things done there good and bad which aren't addressed equally - one reason I am independent.


 

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Ben Carson's perplexing stance on abortion

Seeing it come up a couple of times over the past couple of months - especially from people saying "See, you'll get a real black president who values life!!" (due to the belief that President Obama loves Planned Parenthood), I will say this once...and only once: Facts are Facts and Dr. Ben Carson has consistently been for abortion as much as other presidents.

Seeing it come up a couple of times over the past couple of months - especially from people saying "See, you'll get a real black president who values life!!" (due to the belief that President Obama loves Planned Parenthood), I will say this once...and only once: Facts are Facts and Dr. Ben Carson has consistently been for abortion as much as other presidents. It does not matter what you say, as what matters is what you did. And for everyone championing the man, please be consistent if saying others are not for Christ for being pro-choice when there is silence on others doing the same who are suddenly propped up as "God's choice"

It comes off a bit shocking when people approach you (as a black person) thinking you didn't already do research (years in advance) on people you value and then saying "Aren't you so excited about having the opportunity for another black president who'll do right?" - not even realizing how much it comes off very racist since it assumes that the issue was ever about finding the "right kind of black guy to lead the nation" when others never were looking just for a Black icon...and all they really said (even if unintended) was they have found someone who's black with their views that they're comfortable with - the reason we say President Obama isn't really a true "black president" but Dr. Carson is somehow superior because of his conservative stances being assumed as the true 'American values', even if we must ignore how his stances are just as troublesome as the current president we have. I didn't vote for President Obama nor the Republican ticket in the last term because of abortion being one key reason, but I honor him as our nation's leader - and I'm saddened we didn't honor the current president we have on several points, even when he was advocating righteousness at differing points (i.e. fathers taking care of their children/'Responsible Fatherhood Initiatives, helping mothers needing support for kids, etc.) - many were quick to rightly critique him where he seemed off with abortion....but why did comments reign like saying "He doesn't value black lives/children because of not condemning abortion!" in his term and yet Dr. Carson is excused for the same tendencies??? It doesn't add up...

I will always value Dr. Carson for his books (like "Gifted Hands") and his work in medicine which inspired my mom in her studying to be an Ob-Gyn. But as we both noted sometime ago, doing good in one area does NOT make you above reproach and it definitely does not mean you get a pass because you're not in the camp I'm against. I am definitely not down with the idol of Conservatism that assumes all things are sanctified simply because you claim to be a Republican. This also goes for the Democrats as well, seeing where there have been things done there good and bad which aren't addressed equally - one reason I am independent.



For more information on Dr. Carson's stances on abortion, from the perspective of another OB-Gyn:

My issue currently - should anyone want to disagree - is that Carson openly supports things which are not in line with his actual practices or consistent. If people are celebrating him as being entirely pro-life, then that needs to be seen. However, the record does not seem to be present. On his website, Carson supported the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act which would make it illegal to have an abortion more than 20 weeks after fertilization, allowing exceptions for rape, incest or the life of the mother. Of course It is not clear if he would push to overturn or uphold Roe v Wad (https://www.facebook.com/realbencarson/posts/449389468560858 ) - but it still allows for abortion and there are others who were the results of a rape, incest who will ALWAYS stand on the ground that abortion in any case (outside of an ectopic pregnancy or a tubal pregnancy where the mother/child's life is threatened) is never good....or justified.

I've tried my best to keep up with his comments and yes, I do see where he has said things which seem pro-life with saying there's no reason to kill a baby (even in the case of rape/incest) - but the record of the practices he has backd up dont support the claims saying he NEVER stood for it. It comes off as speaking outside both sides of the mouth..as if one's appealing for the sake of the audience to what people want to hear for votes - and denying his previous comments. For reference:

-Ben Carson: Holocaust, Abortion, Roe v. Wade (Full Interview) | Meet The Press | NBC News ( )



And on Donald Trump (also being propped up by many in the Religious Right for his stances on business - despite his extensive history on being for abortion/promoting it and his noting plainly he supports Planned Parenthood):

-Donald Trump Defends Planned Parenthood... (https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/.../donald-trump-says.../ )
Carson got called out by Trump for his supporting of Abortion - and even though I don't like Trump for the same reasons (and more), he spoke accurately - if Carson is down with saying abortion is cool - has to be treated with the same aggressiveness as folks treated President Obama ...and he cannot be ignored on it nor would be approrpriate to build him up just to have a token black president to counteract the one we have. More besides that can be said on his stances I've followed - and I personally cannot back him as a result and it can never be a matter of being the better "black" presidenial figure just because of claiming to be opposite of Presidenti Obama. Places such as non-partisan fact checking outfit PolitiFact have rated several of his recent statements as “False" when keeping track of his actual words - and that's a big deal:

-"Ben Carson's file | PolitiFact" ( http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ben-carson/ )

-"Dr. Ben Carson: Great Surgeon, Bad Icon - Black Agenda Report" (http://www.blackagendareport.com/.../dr-ben-carson-great... )

-"Dr. Michael Eric Dysonon on Dr. Cornel West"( http://wdet.org/.../80724-on-redline-michael-eric-dyson.../ )

--"Why Ben Carson would be the first black president for white conservatives" ( http://thegrio.com/.../why-ben-carson-would-be-the-first.../ )

--"Why Ben Carson would be the first black president for white conservatives" ( http://thegrio.com/.../why-ben-carson-would-be-the-first.../ )

-"Here Is Why Republicans Love Ben Carson So Much" (http://www.forwardprogressives.com/here-is-why.../ )
 
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Carson got called out by Trump for his supporting of Abortion - and even though I don't like Trump for the same reasons (and more), he spoke accurately - if Carson is down with saying abortion is cool - has to be treated with the same aggressiveness as folks treated President Obama ...and he cannot be ignored on it nor would be approrpriate to build him up just to have a token black president to counteract the one we have. More besides that can be said on his stances I've followed - and I personally cannot back him as a result and it can never be a matter of being the better "black" presidenial figure just because of claiming to be opposite of Presidenti Obama. Places such as non-partisan fact checking outfit PolitiFact have rated several of his recent statements as “False" when keeping track of his actual words - and that's a big deal:

-"Ben Carson's file | PolitiFact" ( http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ben-carson/ )

-"Dr. Ben Carson: Great Surgeon, Bad Icon - Black Agenda Report" (http://www.blackagendareport.com/.../dr-ben-carson-great... )

-"Dr. Michael Eric Dysonon on Dr. Cornel West"( http://wdet.org/.../80724-on-redline-michael-eric-dyson.../ )

--"Why Ben Carson would be the first black president for white conservatives" ( http://thegrio.com/.../why-ben-carson-would-be-the-first.../ )

--"Why Ben Carson would be the first black president for white conservatives" ( http://thegrio.com/.../why-ben-carson-would-be-the-first.../ )

-"Here Is Why Republicans Love Ben Carson So Much" (http://www.forwardprogressives.com/here-is-why.../ )

I pray that nothing in what I've said in any way comes off as if I do not have respect for Dr. Carson. I think he is amazing in several respects and I've given him props before - in the same way that I've spoken up in support of President Obama at multiple points (including the last election where I did not vote for him ) and have tried to not give either unconditional support or 100% criticism. Nonetheless, with abortion being allowed conditionaly when a life is not necessary to be taken, I cannot in good conscience advocate for him being above reproach just as it was with President Obama in the previous two elections when I said I was uncomfortable with and the Republican canidates (i.e Romney, McCain, etc.) for having the same issues. More on that has been shared before in places such as "Making Millions of Dollors from Abortion" (http://www.christianforums.com/.../romney-made.../... )/ (http://www.christianforums.com/.../romney-made.../page-2... ) & (http://www.christianforums.com/.../obama-securing-a.../... ).

If it's on the basis of what God's Word says with the sacredness of life, then the Word of God doesn't really show Dr. Carson or President Obama to be innocent - and we'd be doing injust scales to try to tip things in favor of Dr.Carson simply because of others being hopeful for him....or thinking him as a nice guy to like.






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I do pray for Dr. Carson that what he says he stands for on certain things may alter for the better in order to match more of the claims/evidence (http://www.patheos.com/.../08/20/is-ben-carson-pro-choice/. )

I think the man has good stances which haven't changed - and others which need more time for real development. I can't join him when he says he has 'never supported' things he says he's against and it'd probably help (for me) in him saying "I did support these things - but I have since been willing to change my views" - that'd be more honest/easy to handle than making it out as if you've never advocated what another political party/opponent says. It's difficult for me to ignore where in March of this year, several weeks before he announced for president, Carson still urged Facebook to urge support for the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which would ban abortions at 20 weeks with exceptions for rape, incest, and when a woman’s life at risk. That really isn't fully pro-life as much as conditional on where you don't or don't support life.






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