Oregon shooter was British

Concealed Carrying Air Force Vet Held Back From Stopping Attack By UCC Staff

The shooter, who was suspected to be an islamic sympathizer, targeted Christians in his rampage.

“[He started] asking people one by one what their religion was. ‘Are you a Christian?’ he would ask them, and if you’re a Christian stand up. And they would stand up and he said, ‘Good, because you’re a Christian, you are going to see God in just about one second.’ And then he shot and killed them,” Stacy Boylen, whose daughter was wounded at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore., told CNN.

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http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carrying-air-force-vet/

Chicken Little said:

45 mass murders let's get the religion)all isms) all deviants to natural law) of all those shooters and the religion of their victims?

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Actually, this case was just one of 296 (so far this calendar year) mass shootings in the US.

NightHawkeye said:

LOL, more like a NAZI, which is to say National Socialist ...
The anti-Christ shooter is a teetotaling Nazi | New York Post

... and had the screen name, Iron Cross, another tie with Germany. And on MySpace his only connection was with a radical Islamist.

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I understand. He identified as a conservative republican, and that really does not fit with the way you are trying to present him as something different, to fit your agenda.

Reformed Lutheran said:

What!!

The 2nd amendment has saved far far far more lives then it has ever harmed !! We are talking hundreds of millions of lives saved.. Heck 2.5 million crimes are thwarted each year by gun wielding citizens

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Have you any evidence for any of this? Gun crime has actually cost more lives in the last 10 years than all the wars US has been involved in throughout it's entire history. You say hundreds of millions of lives have been saved - The current population is only 320 million! That would mean that at least every other citizen must have been saved at some point or other by a "gun wielding citizen" - Do you honestly think that is true? As for the 2.5 million crimes being thwarted (even if true) how many of those crimes would not have even taken place if guns were not so freely available??

Reformed Lutheran said:

What!!

The 2nd amendment has saved far far far more lives then it has ever harmed !! We are talking hundreds of millions of lives saved.. Heck 2.5 million crimes are thwarted each year by gun wielding citizens

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Do you have any evidence that guns have saved more people than they have killed?

Philip C said:

Have you any evidence for any of this? Gun crime has actually cost more lives in the last 10 years than all the wars US has been involved in throughout it's entire history. You say hundreds of millions of lives have been saved - The current population is only 320 million! That would mean that at least every other citizen must have been saved at some point or other by a "gun wielding citizen" - Do you honestly think that is true? As for the 2.5 million crimes being thwarted (even if true) how many of those crimes would not have even taken place if guns were not so freely available??

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Lol,, I didn't say hundreds of millions saved TODAY. The point was that 100s of millions over the last couple hundred years since the second amendment.

Your ignorantly blind if you don't see that guns save lives! If your in your home or business and someone breaks in ,, what do you and everyone else do, call someone that has a gun.
But that's usually after the crime takes place,, if you had a gun yourself then the crime would likely not of taken place.

That's also why states like where I live have the "make my day law"-- it's a law that if an intruder breaks into my home I have all the legal right to shoot him dead on the spot no questions asked.. That thwarts criminals from breaking in because they are afraid of being shot.

As for the 2.5 million crimes prevented by gun owner citizens each year, you can google it yourself, or you can watch the commercial on Fox News that airs occassionally that states this fact.

JustOneWay said:

Do you have any evidence that guns have saved more people than they have killed?

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It's common sense.. There are around 9000 gun related homicides in the US each year. On the other hand there are thousands and thousands of crimes thwarted each and everyday by gun owning Americans and gun owning police (on and off duty).

Not only does law abiding gun ownership protect our communities,, but our entire nation.
I'll have to find the quote, but I believe it was a Japanese military advisor that said "a country would be a fool to ever attempt to invade America, for it's not just it's military it would need to fear but it's vastly armed citizenry".. So not only does gun ownership thwart crime, it thwarts others nations from invading our land.

A gun took out hitler, I believe it was a Walther ppk,, just think of the millions of lives that would have been saved if that gun would have taken him out a few years earlier.

Reformed Lutheran said:

It's common sense..

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I understand. You have no evidence, just a gut feeling. That was what I thought.

JustOneWay said:

I understand. You have no evidence, just a gut feeling. That was what I thought.

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Common sense is clearly not all that common.

Google the evidence yourself,, but you won't because you really don't want to see the evidence , your too comfy with the blinders on

Reformed Lutheran said:

Common sense is clearly not all that common.

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We don't need old idioms to see you will provide no evidence.

Reformed Lutheran said:

Google the evidence yourself,, but you won't because you really don't want to see the evidence , your too comfy with the blinders on

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This is always the next thing said....go find my evidence yourself LOL

Reformed Lutheran said:

That's also why states like where I live have the "make my day law"-- it's a law that if an intruder breaks into my home I have all the legal right to shoot him dead on the spot no questions asked.. That thwarts criminals from breaking in because they are afraid of being shot.

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So, there should be more burglaries in places where criminals don't run the risk of being shot? Except, burglary is less common per capita in the UK than it is in the US (in 2011, 461 / 100,000 in the UK, vs 702 / 100,000 in the US). The 'threat' of meeting an armed homeowner is apparently not discouraging potential burglars.

Reformed Lutheran said:

I'll have to find the quote, but I believe it was a Japanese military advisor that said "a country would be a fool to ever attempt to invade America, for it's not just it's military it would need to fear but it's vastly armed citizenry".

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Please do 'find the quote'.

Because I just tried Googling it, with and without quotation marks, and absolutely nothing even close to that showed up. So I'm hopeful you will find the quote, because if you can't - given that there's nothing on the internet - it's possible that people might simply assume you made it up.

As you mentioned a Japanese General, perhaps you're confusing it with the famous quote attributed to Fleet Admiral Yamamoto:

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass"

This has of course been entirely debunked - there's not a shred of evidence he ever said it

Reformed Lutheran said:

A gun took out hitler, I believe it was a Walther ppk,, just think of the millions of lives that would have been saved if that gun would have taken him out a few years earlier.

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'A gun took out Hitler'? "if that gun would have taken him out a few years earlier"?!

Hitler killed himself. It was not the gun, acting sentiently and for the good of mankind. You guys are normally telling us it's people that kill people, not guns. Yet when Hitler uses his gun to kill himself, it's 'look, a gun killed Hitler, guns are great!!1!"

This is literally the worst pro-gun argument I have ever heard, and there's pretty fierce competition.

Reformed Lutheran said:

As for the 2.5 million crimes prevented by gun owner citizens each year, you can google it yourself, or you can watch the commercial on Fox News that airs occassionally that states this fact.

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lol. Was that where you got your 'facts' on scared burglars, false quotes and sentient Nazi firearms?

DaveW-Ohev said:

Actually, this case was just one of 296 (so far this calendar year) mass shootings in the US.

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some liberals at some liberals stincky tank.. lying to dumb liberals again?
or did it jump up because obama is in office ? and they are tweekin the freakin with all their kinds of stupid and insane ? or because Islam is here to stay because Obama is paying them to take over the world ?
or because our nation is no longer christian and the children are ultimately hopeless and suicidal in their institutions of ignorance because and then they on prescribed happy drugs that make them jump first , shoot first instead of pray first ?

Chicken Little said:

some liberals at some liberals stincky tank.. lying to dumb liberals again?
or did it jump up because obama is in office ? and they are tweekin the freakin with all their kinds of stupid and insane ? or because Islam is here to stay because Obama is paying them to take over the world ?
or because our nation is no longer christian and the children are ultimately hopeless and suicidal in their institutions of ignorance because and then they on prescribed happy drugs that make them jump first , shoot first instead of pray first ?

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Huh?????

Oafman said:

So, there should be more burglaries in places where criminals don't run the risk of being shot? Except, burglary is less common per capita in the UK than it is in the US (in 2011, 461 / 100,000 in the UK, vs 702 / 100,000 in the US). The 'threat' of meeting an armed homeowner is apparently not discouraging potential burglars

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Your comparing apples and oranges here.. The USA is not one single nation state like the UK is. It's a republic made up of 50 individual states that make and enforce their own laws.

That's why in the state of Colorado you can recreationally use Marijuana and it can be purchased at the local corner store and the taxes from the sell of it go to the state.. However in Oklahoma you'll be arrested and prosecuted for even having marijuana at all.

With gun laws and crimes you have to look at the individual states as well as cities.. In an area like where I live where the open carry of any type of gun or rifle is permitted and the sell of military style weapons is the norm by it's citizenry,, and "make my day" laws exist where we can legally shoot an intruder into our home with no questions asked.. There is very little crime and burglaries.
However when you go to places like Chicago that have very strict gun laws,, and homeowners don't even have guns let alone "make my day laws",, places likes this are filled with crime and burglary ..,, It's sad that there are a lot of these gun free pars of America that are having these crime issues,, and thus pushing the OVERALL per capita of crime in America to a higher rate.

But again for a fair comparison you would have to look at individual states, and states that have low crime because of loose gun laws.


As for the hitler was killed with a gun statement.. You didn't get that I was playing fast and loose with that comment being most liberals think 'guns' kill people.. And the loose point of "see guns are good, hitler was taken out by a pistol"-- It wasn't a pro gun argument,, it was a comment using the logic of the left

DaveW-Ohev said:

Actually, this case was just one of 296 (so far this calendar year) mass shootings in the US.

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What defines a "mass shooting" according to your statistic ?

The left wing liberal nut job that killed the two tv reporters on live tv,, is that event recorded in your statistic of "296".. If so, why ?

The movie theater shooting that happened this summer , is this event in your 296 statistic?
If so why? The guy didn't have a real gun and the only one shot was him by police

Not picking a fight,, Just want to know more details about your supposed statistic, because I watch the news daily and I don't see MASS shootings happening that often (in relation to our vast and large population)

Reformed Lutheran said:

What defines a "mass shooting" according to your statistic ?

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To be listed on the website there has to be at least 4 people either wounded or killed by gunshots at a given instance.

The majority of cases have unknown shooter or shooters. From the links they seem to be gang related violence.

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

What is it about white Anglo culture in that it seems to produce so many mass killers in America?