Theodore A. Jones
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See Gal. 3:19. The OT code was not put into effect through angels. You cannot understand Paul unless you comprehend which law Paul is referencing. OT law or the law that has been added.
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Do you think Sabbath laws, and law in general are???
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I was talking to you, not Theodore. Whats interesting is how you refuse to acknowledge the commands of Christ. You have no problem pointing out the speck in the eye of another persons theology, but you refuse to acknowledge the log in the eye of your own theology. Please, just acknowledge or deny that the Lord wants us to follow His written commandments that he and the apostles gave us. Lets see where your own beliefs stand instead of leaving them obscured behind your silence. If you wish to point out the flaw in another persons theology then lets see your own beliefs so they can be criticized if needed.
Refusing to acknowledge something is the same as being against it. Are you afraid to to say what you actually believe?
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Your argument boasts of being spirit lead but by failing to acknowledge our daily need for the Lords commandments in our daily guidance by the spirit, your argument proves to be far from spiritual. You argument is nothing but dancing around the word "law" while discarding the very commands of the Lord. You have already showed contempt for the commands of the Lord by saying that his spiritual rules are for dogs, and when i share scriptures that contain good and spiritual rules which teach us how to walk in love and faith, you just disregard them. I was trying to give you a chance to agree so i could agree with you, but i guess we cannot agree. Your theology does not represent the doctrine that Paul gave us, even though you assert that it does.
The more i hear your theology the more i come to understand that it is very flawed and does not represent the truth about love or faith.
The more i hear your theology the more i come to understand that it is very flawed and does not represent the truth about love or faith.
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To disregard the commands of Christ is to be blind and stumble in darkness. TO not teach them is to close mans ears and eyes instead of opening them. Christ came to shine light into this world, not darkness, and he came to open the eyes of the blind, not shut them.
Not one respected preacher would ever suggest that the commands of the Christ and His apostles are not spiritual, or that they are for dogs. This world is constantly bombarding us with lawlessness and worldliness. It is blinding us in darkness and only the light of Christ can open our eyes and shine light into this darkness. The commands of Christ do in fact teach us to be spiritual, they teach us how to love and live by faith in Christ. They are not just a bunch of useless or elementary rules but they are our daily bread which guides us in this world.
WE have spiritual battles that we must fight within ourselves and the commands of Christ are the sword of God. Look at how this world has twisted pauls words, and turned the liberty that Paul spoke of into worldliness and darkness. People need those commands now more than ever before because we are being lead astray by worldly influences. It's no big thing for a spiritual person to agree with the commands of Christ and His apostles. You don't need to urge or beg them to agree because it comes naturally, sometimes even very joyfully. I cannot agree with a person who refuses to acknowledge the spiritual value and necessity in the Lords many commands. I know how people only blind themselves in this world and how the commands of Christ open our eyes.
The spirit reminds us of those commands everyday and so a spiritual person would surely affirm them, and promote them as well because he knows how valuable they actually are in this blind world of darkness.
Psalm 133:1 How good and pleasant it is
when God’s people live together in unity!
Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
Not one respected preacher would ever suggest that the commands of the Christ and His apostles are not spiritual, or that they are for dogs. This world is constantly bombarding us with lawlessness and worldliness. It is blinding us in darkness and only the light of Christ can open our eyes and shine light into this darkness. The commands of Christ do in fact teach us to be spiritual, they teach us how to love and live by faith in Christ. They are not just a bunch of useless or elementary rules but they are our daily bread which guides us in this world.
WE have spiritual battles that we must fight within ourselves and the commands of Christ are the sword of God. Look at how this world has twisted pauls words, and turned the liberty that Paul spoke of into worldliness and darkness. People need those commands now more than ever before because we are being lead astray by worldly influences. It's no big thing for a spiritual person to agree with the commands of Christ and His apostles. You don't need to urge or beg them to agree because it comes naturally, sometimes even very joyfully. I cannot agree with a person who refuses to acknowledge the spiritual value and necessity in the Lords many commands. I know how people only blind themselves in this world and how the commands of Christ open our eyes.
The spirit reminds us of those commands everyday and so a spiritual person would surely affirm them, and promote them as well because he knows how valuable they actually are in this blind world of darkness.
Psalm 133:1 How good and pleasant it is
when God’s people live together in unity!
Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
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I don't know why i'm bothering to waste my words. I cant teach you anything, only Christ can do teach any man anything, but we must embrace his commands in order to learn because its by those things that we learn. Your argument seems to be that we take Gods liberty and turn it into blind ignorance, and you seem to value "tripping people up" (your words, not mine) by causing them to stumble, and somehow that means you are right and they are wrong, even though its not based on any logic or any scripture by any stretch of the imagination. Its not love to cause someone to stumble and so its not spiritual. So if you try to "trip someone up" then its you yourself who have stumbled, which only further proves that disregard for the Lords commands do in fact blind a man and causes him to stumble in darkness.
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Yes, its a symptom of fighting the good fight of faith. Paul "projected" it himself often. The question is why dont you?
Yes, the struggle within the good fight of faith. What is a fight without a struggle? Ever hear about the fight of faith? Or spiritual warfare? Or spiritual weapons like the sword of the spirit? Or the belt of truth? Or the Gospel of peace? How does twisting the doctrine we have been given promote peace?
Your argument stirs debate by refusing to acknowledge spiritual doctrine, and it never changes anything, its all useless contention. I can see why Paul told Timothy to turn away from Godless chatter and apposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge.
1 Timothy 6:2 These are the things you are to teach and insist on. 3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing.
11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith.
20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith.
Ephesians 6:13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
I guess i mulled over it pretty good. Have a nice day.
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One more thing before i depart. To answer your question. The Goal is not to be like a dog. Its to be like Christ. That's why we follow the rules Christ gave us. We don't follow rules written by dogs. The training is in righteousness not going potty outside. I sincerely hope you change your posting, its really not edifying.
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disciple1
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Maybe what I'm saying here is to complex for most people to understand, but no one but Christ has ever obeyed the law or ever will
Romans chapter 6 talks about selfishness because nobody stops sinning by the law.
As it says it Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Romans chapter 6
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
Romans chapter 7
Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
And in 1 John chapter 4 verse 8 and 16
It says god is love
So we serve by the spirit of love. No one can obey the law.
Even if you go by Galatians chapter 5 verse 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
We can't even obey that all we can do is love as much as we can, and help people.
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What about holiness? How would you teach about following holiness? And faith? How would you say we follow faith in Christ? Its my opinion that Paul is merely saying that the Law is about love, but its not so we can earn salvation and boast in our self. Paul however is not saying that "love thy neighbor" replaces the commands that they give us. We must consider what they teach us about living in holiness, and living by faith in Christ. Seeking the kingdom is about both holiness and faith in Christ. How do we do that though? By loving our neighbor? I don't much care though, if anyone wants to throw out any command then that's their business, i follow all the commands that the apostles give us. I'm not perfect, but i don't throw out the perfect teaching because i am imperfect.
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disciple1
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Hebrews chapter 7
11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
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Who's talking about the Levitical priesthood? Im referring to the commands that the apostles gave us in the New Testament. You know, the commands about following holiness and living by faith in Christ. Where do you see me talking about following the Levitical priesthood? Nowhere do i mention following that.
Now that you know which commands im referring to, can you please answer my questions again?
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Galatians is not a rebuke of written commandments, its really just a rebuke of people who wanted to disrupt the peace and love inside the Galatian church by promoting Old Covenant law that was given to Israel, and the rebuke was mainly focused on circumcision. Its easy to misunderstand what paul is actually saying in Galatians if we don't consider all his other letters as well.
Paul was never against written commands for the church. He actually is the one who gave most of them to us. Paul saw that the Galatians walked in the spirit before they were lead astray by false teachers, and thats why he refers to walking in the spirit so often, but paul is not saying that walking in the spirit means that we throw out all written commands that the Lord and his apostles gave us.
Nor is he saying that's we should not keep them in our heart and mind and mediate on them often. Paul actually tells us to mediate on what is true, noble and pure. He tells us to do what he teaches us and what he himself does. Surely he saying that we should meditate on His commands, and the command s of Christ as well.
Why are we trying to suggest that rules are for dogs? Doesn't this only promote blind ignorance? What is so unspiritual about following commands and meditating on them? It is actually the very essence of spiritualism to mediate on commands.
We are constantly hearing words of strife and worldliness coming from the political leaders, the media and many people as well. TV is saturated with ungodliness too, and this would is constantly speaking to us with its ungodly ways.
TO meditate on the teaching of Christ and his apostles is to walk the path of spiritualism, and to do the things they teach is to walk in the spirit. Its really not any more complicated than that.
To meditate on the commands and everything else we are taught, and also what we see in the apostles example, and to do those things, is the way we walk in the spirit. There is no other way. We dont throw out the scriptures and expect some miraculous thing to take place inside us, and we dont just accept Gods grace while discarding his command either. Thats not how we walk in the spirit.
Paul was never against written commands for the church. He actually is the one who gave most of them to us. Paul saw that the Galatians walked in the spirit before they were lead astray by false teachers, and thats why he refers to walking in the spirit so often, but paul is not saying that walking in the spirit means that we throw out all written commands that the Lord and his apostles gave us.
Nor is he saying that's we should not keep them in our heart and mind and mediate on them often. Paul actually tells us to mediate on what is true, noble and pure. He tells us to do what he teaches us and what he himself does. Surely he saying that we should meditate on His commands, and the command s of Christ as well.
Why are we trying to suggest that rules are for dogs? Doesn't this only promote blind ignorance? What is so unspiritual about following commands and meditating on them? It is actually the very essence of spiritualism to mediate on commands.
We are constantly hearing words of strife and worldliness coming from the political leaders, the media and many people as well. TV is saturated with ungodliness too, and this would is constantly speaking to us with its ungodly ways.
TO meditate on the teaching of Christ and his apostles is to walk the path of spiritualism, and to do the things they teach is to walk in the spirit. Its really not any more complicated than that.
To meditate on the commands and everything else we are taught, and also what we see in the apostles example, and to do those things, is the way we walk in the spirit. There is no other way. We dont throw out the scriptures and expect some miraculous thing to take place inside us, and we dont just accept Gods grace while discarding his command either. Thats not how we walk in the spirit.
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disciple1
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This is refuring to all law new testament and old, but hypocrites confuse it.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
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Sorry friend, but if you are suggesting that we throw out the commands of Christ and his apostles, instead of keeping them in our mind and heart, and living by them as well, then you are in error and no spirit lead christian will take that nonsense seriously.
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USE THE LAW PROPERLY - NOT FOR SALVATION, BUT FOR HOLY LIVING
"Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good." - Romans 7:12
"But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully." - 1 Timothy 1:8
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law." - Romans 3:31
JESUS COMMANDS IT
"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19
"If you love Me, keep My commandments." - John 14:15, John 14:10
JESUS WARNS AGAINST LAWLESSNESS
"And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" - Matthew 7:23
"The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness." - Matthew 13:41
"Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matthew 23:28
"Jesus found the man at the Temple [area] and said to him, “See, you are well now. ·Stop sinning.” " - John 5:14
"Jesus said, “I also don’t ·judge you guilty [condemn you]. ·You may go now, but don’t sin anymore." " - John 8:11
PAUL WARNS AGAINST LAWLESSNESS
"For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness." - Romans 6:19
"What fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness?" - 2 Corinthians 6:14
"The law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers." - 1 Timothy 1:9
"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness, therefore God has anointed you." - Hebrews 1:9, Psalms 45:7
"Come back to your right way of thinking [Come to your senses; or Sober up as you should] and stop sinning. Some of you ·do not know [or are ignorant about] God—I say this to shame you." - 1 Corinthians 15:34
PAUL SAID HE KEPT THE LAW BLAMELESSLY
"If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless." - Philippians 3:4, Philippians 3:6
JOHN SAID WE SHOULD WALK LIKE JESUS DID
"He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked." - 1 John 2:6
MOSES, DAVID, PAUL, AND JOHN SAY THERE IS FORGIVENESS FOR SINS
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered." - Romans 4:7, Psalms 32:1
"So the priest shall make atonement for him concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him." - Leviticus 4:26, Leviticus 4:35, Leviticus 5:10
"Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works." - Titus 2:14
"For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." - Hebrews 8:12, Hebrews 10:17
"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." - 1 John 3:4
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." - 1 John 1:9
JESUS PROMOTES LAW AND GRACE TOGETHER
"Then Jesus said to them, “So every ·teacher of the law [scribe] who has ·been taught about [become a disciple of] the kingdom of heaven is like the ·owner [head] of a house. He brings out both new things and old things ·he has saved [from his treasure/storeroom; knowledge of the Old Testament provides insight into Jesus’ “new” message of the kingdom of God].” " - Matthew 13:52
"And He replied to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (intellect). 38 This is the great (most important, principal) and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself. 40 All the law and the ·writings of the prophets [prophets] ·depend [are based; hang] on these two commands." - Matthew 22:37-40
THE APOSTLES PROMOTE LAW AND GRACE TOGETHER
"So also faith, if it does not have works (deeds and actions of obedience to back it up), by itself is destitute of power (inoperative, dead)." - James 2:17
"For as the human body apart from the spirit is lifeless, so faith apart from [its] works of obedience is also dead." - James 2:26
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law." - Romans 3:31
THE BIBLE PROMOTES LAW AND GRACE TOGETHER
John 17:17, Psalms 119:160, John 1:14, John 1:17, Colossians 1:6, 2 John 1:3, Genesis 24:27, 2 Samuel 15:20, Proverbs 3:3, Proverbs 16:6, Micah 7:20
GRACE UNDER THE LAW
Psalms 32:2, Psalms 51:10, Psalms 109:26, 1 Chronicles 16:34, Ezra 9:9, Nehemiah 9:31-32, Nehemiah 13:22, Psalms 5:7, Psalms 23:6, Psalms 33:18, Psalms 33:22, Psalms 36:5, Psalms 52:8, Psalms 59:17, Psalms 86:15, Psalms 98:3, Psalms 100:5, Psalms 105:8, Psalms 136, Proverbs 28:13, Isaiah 14:1, Isaiah 54:8-10, Isaiah 55:7, Jeremiah 31:20, Ezekiel 39:25, Daniel 9:9, Hosea 1:7-8, Micah 7:18-20, Zechariah 1:16, Zechariah 10:6, Leviticus 4:26, Leviticus 4:35, Leviticus 5:10
"Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good." - Romans 7:12
"But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully." - 1 Timothy 1:8
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law." - Romans 3:31
JESUS COMMANDS IT
"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19
"If you love Me, keep My commandments." - John 14:15, John 14:10
JESUS WARNS AGAINST LAWLESSNESS
"And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" - Matthew 7:23
"The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness." - Matthew 13:41
"Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." - Matthew 23:28
"Jesus found the man at the Temple [area] and said to him, “See, you are well now. ·Stop sinning.” " - John 5:14
"Jesus said, “I also don’t ·judge you guilty [condemn you]. ·You may go now, but don’t sin anymore." " - John 8:11
PAUL WARNS AGAINST LAWLESSNESS
"For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness." - Romans 6:19
"What fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness?" - 2 Corinthians 6:14
"The law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers." - 1 Timothy 1:9
"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness, therefore God has anointed you." - Hebrews 1:9, Psalms 45:7
"Come back to your right way of thinking [Come to your senses; or Sober up as you should] and stop sinning. Some of you ·do not know [or are ignorant about] God—I say this to shame you." - 1 Corinthians 15:34
PAUL SAID HE KEPT THE LAW BLAMELESSLY
"If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless." - Philippians 3:4, Philippians 3:6
JOHN SAID WE SHOULD WALK LIKE JESUS DID
"He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked." - 1 John 2:6
MOSES, DAVID, PAUL, AND JOHN SAY THERE IS FORGIVENESS FOR SINS
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered." - Romans 4:7, Psalms 32:1
"So the priest shall make atonement for him concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him." - Leviticus 4:26, Leviticus 4:35, Leviticus 5:10
"Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works." - Titus 2:14
"For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." - Hebrews 8:12, Hebrews 10:17
"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." - 1 John 3:4
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." - 1 John 1:9
JESUS PROMOTES LAW AND GRACE TOGETHER
"Then Jesus said to them, “So every ·teacher of the law [scribe] who has ·been taught about [become a disciple of] the kingdom of heaven is like the ·owner [head] of a house. He brings out both new things and old things ·he has saved [from his treasure/storeroom; knowledge of the Old Testament provides insight into Jesus’ “new” message of the kingdom of God].” " - Matthew 13:52
"And He replied to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (intellect). 38 This is the great (most important, principal) and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself. 40 All the law and the ·writings of the prophets [prophets] ·depend [are based; hang] on these two commands." - Matthew 22:37-40
THE APOSTLES PROMOTE LAW AND GRACE TOGETHER
"So also faith, if it does not have works (deeds and actions of obedience to back it up), by itself is destitute of power (inoperative, dead)." - James 2:17
"For as the human body apart from the spirit is lifeless, so faith apart from [its] works of obedience is also dead." - James 2:26
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law." - Romans 3:31
THE BIBLE PROMOTES LAW AND GRACE TOGETHER
John 17:17, Psalms 119:160, John 1:14, John 1:17, Colossians 1:6, 2 John 1:3, Genesis 24:27, 2 Samuel 15:20, Proverbs 3:3, Proverbs 16:6, Micah 7:20
GRACE UNDER THE LAW
Psalms 32:2, Psalms 51:10, Psalms 109:26, 1 Chronicles 16:34, Ezra 9:9, Nehemiah 9:31-32, Nehemiah 13:22, Psalms 5:7, Psalms 23:6, Psalms 33:18, Psalms 33:22, Psalms 36:5, Psalms 52:8, Psalms 59:17, Psalms 86:15, Psalms 98:3, Psalms 100:5, Psalms 105:8, Psalms 136, Proverbs 28:13, Isaiah 14:1, Isaiah 54:8-10, Isaiah 55:7, Jeremiah 31:20, Ezekiel 39:25, Daniel 9:9, Hosea 1:7-8, Micah 7:18-20, Zechariah 1:16, Zechariah 10:6, Leviticus 4:26, Leviticus 4:35, Leviticus 5:10
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If a person learns to properly observe the Sabbath the way God says, he'll learn how wonderful it is to keep Sabbath.
I knew nothing of this because I was taught the law is done away with.
Since I found out Jesus said to keep the law, I started learning how to.
I'm still learning, but each law I learn about changes my life for the better.
Am I in bondage to keeping them? No.
I'm enjoying keeping them.
I never knew the benefits that come to those who keep them until God led me to be a Sabbath keeper, and keep His dietary laws too.
I knew nothing of this because I was taught the law is done away with.
Since I found out Jesus said to keep the law, I started learning how to.
I'm still learning, but each law I learn about changes my life for the better.
Am I in bondage to keeping them? No.
I'm enjoying keeping them.
I never knew the benefits that come to those who keep them until God led me to be a Sabbath keeper, and keep His dietary laws too.
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Here's a really good web page listing the 613 laws, grouping them by category: http://www.gospeloutreach.net/613laws.html
Look at the wisdom, fairness, thoughtfulness of each of God's laws.
If everyone kept the PURITY LAWS there would have been no black plague in 1348 or staff disease in hospitals today or epidemics in 3rd world countries.
If everyone stopped eating carnivores and scavengers, think of how their health would improve.
If everyone followed the WORSHIP OF YAHWEH LAWS, we'd all be spiritual giants.
If everyone followed the DUTIES TO OUR FELLOWMAN LAWS this world would be a wonderful place to live.
Many of the JUDGEMENT and LAWSUIT LAWS are already a part of our civil laws, which could be dramatically improved if we'd add ALL of God's civil laws into our civil laws.
Think of the true justice we'd have in our courts if the judges followed GOD'S LAWS FOR THE CONDUCT OF JUDGES.
NOTE: this web page is trying to tell us NOT to follow God's laws today. Ignore that part. Just use the list to see what types of laws there are. I chose this list because it did the best job of clarifying what kinds of laws God gave.
As you can see, there's different laws for different purposes. Not every law is for every person.
It's rewarding to find out what God asks of us, and then do it. The benefits of applying God's wisdom to our daily life is outstanding. 1 Peter 1:16
Can you do all the ones that apply to you? Eventually, but first you have to start by adding one at a time as Acts of the Apostles 15 says.
I started with Sabbath laws and food laws and saw excellent results immediately.
Doing the laws with joy and faith for the love of God is powerful. Doing them for salvation (self-righteousness) is impossible, because the minute you break one you've broken them all, and there goes your salvation (self-righteousness).
If you're doing them for the love of God, and you slip up, you can ask God to help you and go at it again. What beginner doesn't make mistakes? What pro doesn't make mistakes? The laws are for our benefit, not our bondage.
Are the laws a duty and obligation for us? No, they are the wisdom of the Eternal God who created us and loves us and gives us His OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS for the best life here on earth.
Did Jesus cancel the laws? No. He gave us instructions on faith, joy, and love so that we apply the laws properly. Laws without faith, joy, and love are bondage.
Look at the wisdom, fairness, thoughtfulness of each of God's laws.
If everyone kept the PURITY LAWS there would have been no black plague in 1348 or staff disease in hospitals today or epidemics in 3rd world countries.
If everyone stopped eating carnivores and scavengers, think of how their health would improve.
If everyone followed the WORSHIP OF YAHWEH LAWS, we'd all be spiritual giants.
If everyone followed the DUTIES TO OUR FELLOWMAN LAWS this world would be a wonderful place to live.
Many of the JUDGEMENT and LAWSUIT LAWS are already a part of our civil laws, which could be dramatically improved if we'd add ALL of God's civil laws into our civil laws.
Think of the true justice we'd have in our courts if the judges followed GOD'S LAWS FOR THE CONDUCT OF JUDGES.
NOTE: this web page is trying to tell us NOT to follow God's laws today. Ignore that part. Just use the list to see what types of laws there are. I chose this list because it did the best job of clarifying what kinds of laws God gave.
As you can see, there's different laws for different purposes. Not every law is for every person.
It's rewarding to find out what God asks of us, and then do it. The benefits of applying God's wisdom to our daily life is outstanding. 1 Peter 1:16
Can you do all the ones that apply to you? Eventually, but first you have to start by adding one at a time as Acts of the Apostles 15 says.
I started with Sabbath laws and food laws and saw excellent results immediately.
Doing the laws with joy and faith for the love of God is powerful. Doing them for salvation (self-righteousness) is impossible, because the minute you break one you've broken them all, and there goes your salvation (self-righteousness).
If you're doing them for the love of God, and you slip up, you can ask God to help you and go at it again. What beginner doesn't make mistakes? What pro doesn't make mistakes? The laws are for our benefit, not our bondage.
Are the laws a duty and obligation for us? No, they are the wisdom of the Eternal God who created us and loves us and gives us His OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS for the best life here on earth.
Did Jesus cancel the laws? No. He gave us instructions on faith, joy, and love so that we apply the laws properly. Laws without faith, joy, and love are bondage.
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Romans chapter 7 verse 4
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
Hebrews chapter 7
11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
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But Jesus says differently so who do we believe?
Red words trump anyone else's words.
Everyone else's words must be interpreted IN AGREEMENT with Jesus' words to be interpreted properly.
IOW, we must live by the RED words, because they come straight from God the Son.
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