Do you think Sabbath laws, and law in general are???

[GBRK]

First we, Christians, should have an understanding of just what the Sabbath is. For one the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday no matter how many times Sunday is referred to as "The Lord's Day". One short sighted fault on many legalistic Christians part is their insistence that they, and everyone else, do no work on Sunday. They are taking commandments targeted toward Saturday and making an application to Sunday. Worse is they fail to understand who the covenant of the Sabbath is targeted toward. The Sabbath, while one of the 10 commandments is for Israel, it is for the Jews, not the Gentiles.

Consider the following:
Exodus 31:12 (CEV)
12 Moses told the Israelites that the LORD had said: The Sabbath belongs to me. Now I command you and your descendants to always obey the laws of the Sabbath. By doing this, you will know that I have chosen you as my own.

Exodus 31:14 (CEV)
14 Keep the Sabbath holy. You have six days to do your work, but the Sabbath is mine, and it must remain a day of rest. If you work on the Sabbath, you will no longer be part of my people, and you will be put to death.

Exodus 31:16-18 (CEV)
16 Every generation of Israelites must respect the Sabbath.
17 This day will always serve as a reminder, both to me and to the Israelites, that I made the heavens and the earth in six days, then on the seventh day I rested and relaxed.
18 When God had finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two flat stones on which he had written all of his laws with his own hand.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Do you think that it is symptomatic of something when people are always about rules? In other words, according to basic psyche 101 , and the text, usually dogmatism means that there is an underlying problem, that means in the law case, the person has the opposite desires, other than the very law he or she vigorously promotes.

In other words, like the guy who is always trying to convince everyone that he is strong, is really masking his own insecurity. Who is he trying to convince but himself..

Is the dogmatic law promoter really just fighting himself through others? Are we really just hearing his or her own struggle, hearing the part that does not like the law?

Who is the law person projecting his inner turmoil or doubt on to?


Hmmmm....please mull that over, it makes sense..thanks!

The trespass referenced in Rom. 5:20 is the murder of Jesus Christ.

 

[Dig4truth]

And how many times is the Sabbath called the Lord's Day?
List them please.

 

[Frogster]

The trespass referenced in Rom. 5:20 is the murder of Jesus Christ.

wha!??..no it is talking about Adam in rom 5 he did not murder Christ!

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

You are incorrect. Rom. 5: 20, "the trespass" is only referencing the murder of Jesus Christ's crucifixion.

 

[disciple1]

Lets face it, do we ever hear about the joys of law? no, what do we hear?

You have to keep them!

So that must mean apparently, the person is under his own, "I have to keep them", it' not a joyus I love laws proclamation we hear, no, it's an "if I gotta keep em you gotta keep em!"

So out of the mouth, the Sabbath keeper speaketh..and revealeth too....he is not really loving law, he is a servant of law, Paul called it slavery, most slaves are not happy.

Why the fight? If he/she were happy, he would have a happy message about living in a rule book, but the person does not convey law joy at all, so they are not even getting anywhere, because after all, who wants to be in law shackles along with the preacher of law?

This is the answer to all law both new testament and old.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[Poster0]

This is the answer to all law both new testament and old.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Include Ephesians 5 as well.

 

[Poster0]

IT gets me how people say that all which matters is faith working by love, but then they throw out all the many commands and scriptures that teach us how to walk in faith and love. Yes indeed my path is faith and love, but i wont know either without learning from the commands that Christ and Paul gave us. Some people think they can just read Galatians and then discard everything else, and they think that God will teach them everything without the many commands that are found in the New testament, but this isn't true at all. This type of thinking is a misunderstanding of what paul is actually teaching us. Why do you think the Lord sent his apostles to teach us what to observe? Why do you think that he promised the holy spirit teacher to those who keep his commands in their heart and mind? Why do you think the spirit reminds us about those very things as well?

Love is not something we can understand with one command alone, and neither is faith, and thats why the Lord and his apostles gave us so many commands that teach us how to walk in love and faith

 

[Frogster]

This is the answer to all law both new testament and old.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

yes...yes..yes...

 

[Frogster]

This is the answer to all law both new testament and old.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

the law was UNTIL Christ, yes, yes, yes...

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

yes...yes..yes...

"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 But the law he is referencing is not the OT written code of law.

 

[Dig4truth]

Ex 20:6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Deut 7:9 Know therefore that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God, who keeps His covenant and His lovingkindness to a thousandth generation with those who love Him and keep His commandments;

Deut 11:1 “You shall therefore love the Lord your God, and always keep His charge, His statutes, His ordinances, and His commandments.

Deut 11:13 “It shall come about, if you listen obediently to my commandments which I am commanding you today, to love the Lord your God and to serve Him with all your heart and all your soul, 14 that He will give the rain for your land in its season, the early and late rain, that you may gather in your grain and your new wine and your oil.

Deut 11:22 For if you are careful to keep all this commandment which I am commanding you to do, to love the Lord your God, to walk in all His ways and hold fast to Him,

Deut 19:9 if you carefully observe all this commandment which I command you today, to love the Lord your God, and to walk in His ways always—then you shall add three more cities for yourself, besides these three.

Deut 30:16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the Lord your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.

Josh 22:5 Only be very careful to observe the commandment and the law which Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, to love the Lord your God and walk in all His ways and keep His commandments and hold fast to Him and serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul.”

Neh 1:5 I said, “I beseech You, O Lord God of heaven, the great and awesome God, who preserves the covenant and lovingkindness for those who love Him and keep His commandments,

Dan 9:4 I prayed to the Lord my God and confessed and said, “Alas, O Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and lovingkindness for those who love Him and keep His commandments,

John 14:15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

I John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.

I John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

II John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.


It is more than obvious that loving God and our fellow man is forever tied to the commands of God.

 

[Dig4truth]

I don't think that all of the verses that speak of loving God and keeping His commands is a coincidence.

 

[Frogster]

"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 But the law he is referencing is not the OT written code of law.

lol..Paul then goes on to say that no one is righteous by law in 3;20, try to understand that paul was on a polemic with the jews there, he said 3 times in gal 2:16, no one is just by law, so you besssss learn the context, thanks!

 

[Frogster]

The trespass referenced in Rom. 5:20 is the murder of Jesus Christ.

gimme a fact to prove this utterly odd post....

 

[Poster0]

gimme a fact to prove this utterly odd post....

Why? You just ignore facts anyway.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

gimme a fact to prove this utterly odd post....

Jn. 16:8 is one fact and Acts 7:52 "you betrayed and murdered him" is another. No man's murder is a direct benefit no matter what you think.

 

[Frogster]

Why? You just ignore facts anyway.

intersesting.... why are you talking to Theodore? hmmmmm...

 

[Frogster]

Jn. 16:8 is one fact and Acts 7:52 "you betrayed and murdered him" is another. No man's murder is a direct benefit no matter what you think.

this is beyond embarrassing....alrighty, take care, see ya,,,

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

lol..Paul then goes on to say that no one is righteous by law in 3;20, try to understand that paul was on a polemic with the jews there, he said 3 times in gal 2:16, no one is just by law, so you besssss learn the context, thanks!

The law he references in Rom. 3:20 is the written code. But the law he referenced in Rom. 2:13 isn't. Scripture does not argue against scripture.