Ben Carson-how will his Seventh-day Adventist faith impact his campaign? Presidency??

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Ben Carson's faith has recently become an issue on the campaign trail, as contrasted with Donald Trump's faith. The exchange was largely along the lines of personal views and piety. However, a broader discussion of Carson's views seems likely at some point. This thread is examining how Ben Carson's faith as a Seventh-day Adventist might impact his campaign and his presidency.

A couple of points to get things started, but discussion may branch out to any connections to his Seventh-day Adventist faith.

a. His faith may inform individual policy positions. For instance, Carson mentioned during the first debates that he would prefer a flat tax, similar to the the tithe of Scriptures.

b. In an interview some time back the question was raised about how his Sabbath-observance would be impacted by his recent political exposure. Adventists keep the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, refraining from work (an interesting exception for many Adventists is often health care work, and of course Carson's background is that of a surgeon. )

At the time this was the exchange on Sabbath keeping:

http://news.adventist.org/all-news/...-carson-handles-spotlight-prayerfully-humbly/

ANN: With the increased media attention, do you keep Sabbath any differently than you did before?

Carson: Not really. Sabbath is still a precious day for us. We go to church as often as we can. Even if we’re on the road we treat it as a different day than all the others.


On the other hand, some posts by Adventists in social media have questioned recent appearances by Carson for political speech on Sabbath.

Would it work for a president of the United states to take one day off a week? What exceptions would qualify? Will Carson stick to principles on this, or see it as a necessary thing to perform some tasks on Sabbath?

One thing I think that will appeal to many is that while Carson does hold many views which are similar to evangelicals, (and a number of views which are not), the Adventist church has a very strong view of religious liberty, which they extend not only to Christian denominations, but also other religions.

The Adventist church released a statement on his candidacy, and urged churches and employees to not endorse Carson in an official church capacity, or any other candidate. Individual church members are of course able to endorse any candidate. This was in line with their historic position on the issue, as well as a reminder to safe-guard tax exempt status by complying with regulations.

http://www.adventistreview.org/chur...tatement-on-ben-carsons-u.s.-presidential-bid

Some of Carson's statements in the past have indicated as well that he respects other faiths, even non-Christian faiths. Yet some see his religious views as already influencing some of his policy (see the tithe/tax example above).

In the interest of full disclosure, I am a former Seventh-day Adventist, and currently attend an American Baptist church. I would have no issue voting for an Adventist in general, but I do not care for a number of specific policies of Carson, so likely would not vote for him in the Republican primaries at least. However, I still find the issue interesting to consider how the faith of various candidates might influence their positions, campaign, or style of governance.


 
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I think that preference for a flat tax has very little to do with his SDA affiliation. Even considering that he made a comparison to the Biblical tithe, this is entirely in line with his political convictions; and many Conservatives favor some version of the flat tax or fair tax, all religious beliefs aside.
 
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His faith is and should be irrelevant when it comes to politics.
"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
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United States Constitution Article VI Paragraph 3.

I wouldn't vote for him for a number of reasons but his religious beliefs aren't one of them. I don't care what God beliefs people in office hold. I'm interested in their policies.
 
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His religion (as with any candidate) is of interest but is not a deciding factor for me.
Sadly today peoples crazy beliefs tell you more about them than anything else, what if he believed he was Napoleon?
or he thought he had an invisible friend he consulted before he made any decisions? would you think that was normal?
 
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I think that preference for a flat tax has very little to do with his SDA affiliation. Even considering that he made a comparison to the Biblical tithe, this is entirely in line with his political convictions; and many Conservatives favor some version of the flat tax or fair tax, all religious beliefs aside.
Oh I agree a lot of republicans like a flat tax, all religious beliefs aside. However, he made a point of saying if God is for it there must be something inherently fair about it.
 
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His faith is and should be irrelevant when it comes to politics.
"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
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United States Constitution Article VI Paragraph 3.

I wouldn't vote for him for a number of reasons but his religious beliefs aren't one of them. I don't care what God beliefs people in office hold. I'm interested in their policies.

Should may be one thing. Is, may be another.

- He came to national prominence due to his remarks at a prayer breakfast.
- He made a point of discussing his piety while doubting Trumps
- He indicated his tax policy was inherently fair due to the example from Scriptures.
- He just made more news by indicating a Muslim shouldn't be president--that would be a religious test of course.
- He just said the president should be sworn in on a stack of Bibles, not a Koran.
- According to some polls he is leading in the evangelical vote.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/01/politics/ben-carson-evangelical-lead/
- Carson's views at least played some role in an agreement between him and a group of Baptist pastors to not go through with a planned political event.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-event-with-ben-carson-heres-why-it-matters/

It seems like religion may be playing some role in his campaign so far.
 
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Oh I agree a lot of republicans like a flat tax, all religious beliefs aside. However, he made a point of saying if God is for it there must be something inherently fair about it.
Sure he did. However, I think it's going too far to think that his support for some version of a flat tax is based solely upon the Biblical principle of the tithe.
 
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Sure he did. However, I think it's going too far to think that his support for some version of a flat tax is based solely upon the Biblical principle of the tithe.
The idea of tithing is to the church not the government. So his explanation lacks depth.
 
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In the interest of full disclosure, I am a former Seventh-day Adventist, and currently attend an American Baptist church. I would have no issue voting for an Adventist in general, but I do not care for a number of specific policies of Carson, so likely would not vote for him in the Republican primaries at least. However, I still find the issue interesting to consider how the faith of various candidates might influence their positions, campaign, or style of governance.

President Jimmy Carter's Christian faith influenced his foreign policy (and was seen as weak by many Americans).

From a 2012 interview with Christianity Today:

In what ways did faith impact your presidency?

I've always been fully committed to separation of church and state. I didn't permit worship services in the White House as had been done earlier. I was careful not ever to promote my own Christianity as superior in America to other religions, because I feel all religious believers should be treated carefully. At the same time, there's no way I could ever separate my Christian belief from my obligations as a naval officer, as a governor or as President, or from my work now. I can't say my commitments as President were free of my beliefs. We worship the Prince of Peace, and one of the key elements of my life as President in challenging times was to keep our country peaceful. I was able to deal with challenges without launching a missile or dropping a bomb. My commitment to peace was an aspect of my Christian faith. Also, basic human rights are obviously compatible with the teachings of Jesus Christ, and I made human rights a foundation of foreign policy.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2012/januaryweb-only/interview-jimmy-carter.html
 
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Sure he did. However, I think it's going too far to think that his support for some version of a flat tax is based solely upon the Biblical principle of the tithe.

It was not stated that it was done solely for that reason. But it was still used as part of the rationale.

Mentioning it at the debate also shows that he thought the rationale would appeal to some voters.
 
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It was not stated that it was done solely for that reason. But it was still used as part of the rationale.
He said that he thought God had had a good idea there. Anyone who insists upon taking that out of context and ballooning it into something other than was meant is just looking to find fault IMO.
 
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Oh I agree a lot of republicans like a flat tax, all religious beliefs aside. However, he made a point of saying if God is for it there must be something inherently fair about it.
If he understood the tithe of the OT then he could say God had a good idea. The problem is God's tithe did not look like Ben Carson's tithe.
The idea of tithing is to the church not the government. So his explanation lacks depth.
The tithe that he is talking about was to a theocracy, it was their government.
 
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