Texas Tin Foil Hattery

I love my state and couldn't be a more proud Texan.

But if ever there was a facepalm moment - this is it. I wish someone would have the audacity to stand up to these crazies. Unfortunately it seems that we elected the crazies into office.

USincognito said:

This entire post is a non sequitur.


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Please read the OP instead of ranting about your pet topic.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6bQYSa3qZg

Wasn’t it convenient that there was an attack by ISIS affiliated terrorists in Texas before this “Exercise”?

So, we have a multistate military exercises that includes activities in and around Texas and the Governor of Texas wants to be pulled into the information loop. What is objectionable about that?

Military flights still file flight plans. Local authorities are often notified when a military convoy rolls through.

Large military exercises generally involve an awful lot of people, vehicles, and materiel moving around, causing traffic and other issues which can be ameliorated, for example, by adding air traffic controllers, or preemptively closing roads to all but military traffic, etc.

When I lived in New York City, film companies were required to advertise and post up when they were going to film and bring in helicopters and explosions and the like so people would know that it wasn't another terrorist attack. Just seems sensible to me.

bhsmte said:

The biggest issue with 9/11, was the CIA not sharing information with the FBI, that could have prevented the attacks and helped prompt the patriot act, which requires the sharing of information.

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The Intelligence Oversight Act made that extremely difficult. To prevent the FBI and CIA excesses of the 70s, the Oversight Act required information sharing between the domestic intelligence organizations and the foreign intelligence organizations to be carried out only at senior levels where proper vetting could be applied.

We called it "The Wall." Essentially, if an FBI field agent thought he needed information from the CIA, he would have to develop a formal request for the specific information he wanted and float it officially up his chain of command. Presuming it got through that gauntlet, it crossed from the senior level of the FBI to the senior level of the CIA...and then back down through another gauntlet, where it may or may not reach the low-level analyst who knew the answer to the question. If it did, that answer had to run through both gauntlets to get eventually to the FBI agent.

The creation of Homeland Security did not eliminate The Wall. Instead, The Wall was incorporated into Homeland Security such that the foreign intelligence elements within HS had to converse with the domestic intelligence elements within HS through HS senior leadership.

Subsequent to the "revelation" of The Wall to the nation in the investigation of the 9/11 failures, the Administration lawyers claim that there were legal workarounds that either agency could have used...but those legal opinions came only after the problems with The Wall became embarrassing. Prior to that, the legal opinions ran in the other direction. CYA rules the day when it comes to legal opinions.

JohnLocke said:

So, we have a multistate military exercises that includes activities in and around Texas and the Governor of Texas wants to be pulled into the information loop. What is objectionable about that?.

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Two ways to do that:

1. Call the commander of the Texas National Guard--which is taking part in JADE HELM--into his office to give him a briefing.

2. Contact any of the Texas Congresscritters who are members of Armed Services committees--such as Ted Cruz--to give him a briefing.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUVqbtYBhb4

USincognito said:

Being "pulled into the information loop" is not what Gov. Abbott is doing. You might want to read the OP again.

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I did and I watched the Governor's statement and read his letter. Still find nothing objectionable in it.

Gov. Abbott's activation of the TSG has nothing to do with logistics.

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A multistate military exercise doesn't involve logistics? Okay, whatever you say.

This has nothing to do with keeping the citizens of a large metropolitan areas from thinking a terrorist attack was occurring. You might want to read the OP again.

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What is so objectionable about monitoring a multi-state military exercise that is partially taking place within your borders?

JohnLocke said:

What is so objectionable about monitoring a multi-state military exercise that is partially taking place within your borders?

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Waste of money. My money.

That colonel made an important point:

He mentioned that he'd served under five presidents. Like every field grade and higher officer, he fully plans to have a career longer than the Obama administration.

The generals are as much politician as they are military officers. They always keep a wet finger up to test the prevailing political winds. They're not going to leap off the cliff for any president.

Texas tin hatters.

I do not think that the proposed exercises are a subterfuge to impose martial law on Texas, however, were I governor of Texas I might still have some of "my people" observe the exercises, particularly the Guard, with an eye toward handling the coordination of forces in the event that the premise of the exercises eventuates.

How many of the Guard has the governor activated? What is the scope of the exercises? Does anybody know?

JohnLocke said:

I do not think that the proposed exercises are a subterfuge to impose martial law on Texas, however, were I governor of Texas I might still have some of "my people" observe the exercises, particularly the Guard, with an eye toward handling the coordination of forces in the event that the premise of the exercises eventuates.

How many of the Guard has the governor activated? What is the scope of the exercises? Does anybody know?

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What in the world does "handling the coordination of forces in the event that the premise of the exercises eventuates" mean?

The US National Guard in Texas is participating in the exercise. The governor has called up the Texas state militia, which is unaffiliated with the US National Guard in Texas.

In light of Trump’s recent threat of deploying the military domestically, I went digging for old threads about Jade Helm. I’m a little disappointed that this was all I could find in the politics section.

iluvatar5150 said:

In light of Trump’s recent threat of deploying the military domestically, I went digging for old threads about Jade Helm. I’m a little disappointed that this was all I could find in the politics section.

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You made me think that @USincognito was back!

iluvatar5150 said:

In light of Trump’s recent threat of deploying the military domestically, I went digging for old threads about Jade Helm. I’m a little disappointed that this was all I could find in the politics section.

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It's pretty ironic. US military performs routine training, bunch of right wing people raise fear that it's about martial law. US president actually declares martial law, bunch of right wing people nod vigorously in agreement.