question to sura 9

Mumin said:

You don't say the true, in fact the sword is physical, I have read the context, and I have found that the sword is "seen":

Luke 22:38 The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That's enough!" he replied.

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If you look a bit down you will know the swords are not mean for defense. The disciples totally misunderstood what he mean and he said "That's enough!", 2 swords is not enough to defend him, see the following, where Jesus ordered them not to use the sword, and Jesus even healed the man who come to arrest him:

When Jesus’ followers saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, should we strike with our swords?” 50And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear. 51But Jesus answered, “No more of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.

Mumin said:

You speak as if you are one of them, you are a sinner like them and you love them.

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First, I am a sinner, even you are too. God's standard is very high : Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. (John 3:15). Just the thoughts of hate/lust/covert are sin in front of God, God knows your heart.

Mumin said:

If a policeman refuses to arrest a thief, because the policeman is a sinner too, and then he let him go, he becomes his accomplice.

You don't have to oppose God, but to serve Him:

Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

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God is not only loving, God is just as well. Love others does not mean spoil others, God sometimes punish us for our own good as well, to correct us to the right way. It is like parent discipline their kids, it is because of Love. We don't arrest people because we hate them, we arrest people because they did something wrong, and need to be corrected. It is the origin of the action that matters.

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Again:
Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters – yes, even his own life – he cannot be my disciple

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The quotes are not working so I am copy pasting.... sorry.
We already went through here before, did you notice the part about "even his own life"?all of it is about hating the worldly sinfully things, not only others but also yourself.

Finally you agree is a physical sword. And Jesus was clear here:
Matthew 10:34 … I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Luke 22:36 … if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

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You are confused here. In Matt 10:34, the sword is a divine sword that cuts sin (so sword vs peace), and Luke 22:36 is a physical sword, where the disciples produced 2, and Jesus later prohibited of using them.

The Gospel is very consistent in its message, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

And Jesus give clear examples who is your neighbor:


30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[e] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

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Esdra said:

Hi

In sura 9, verse 30 it says:


Where in the bible does it say that the prophet uzair (=ezra) is the/a son of God?
He was the prophet who lead the Jews out of bondage in babylonia.
Or is this some kind of tradition that Mohammed has missunderstood?
Where is this thought from?

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It's clearly about how Obama is a Muslim!

It says “own life”, you said “own self” before, “own self” is not “things”, so someone's existence is hated, which is in accordance to “Matthew 26:24 … it had been good for that man if he had not been born.”. I still see it as a contradiction. No point to continue...

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Thanks for correcting, own life/own self, they are the same, hate your own old life/self, the sinful life/self. It is about dislike sin.

And for Matt 26:24 "The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”, did you see it is talking about the people who hate Jesus? I pray to God that you can see this.

Is there any example of how enemies are loved?

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The example I give you, the one I quoted, Matt 10:30-37. The Jews and Samaritans hates each other, yet in that one example, it is not the priest or the Levite who came to help their brother, yet it is a Samaritian, someone who the Jews despise, helped the Jew.

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Mumin said:

The example is not of someone helping an open enemy.

Luke 10:36 "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

the one who is a neighbor and you must love is only one of those three.

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Notice Luke 37, Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
Jesus is telling those expert of the law, that they need to show love to those who they dislike, just like what the guy who showed mercy in his story

I pray that we can all see God's message and do likewise.

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Mumin said:

he didn't dislike him:
Luke 10:33 ... he felt compassion for him

The law says:
Luke 10:27 ... "Love your neighbor as yourself"

The question is:
Luke 10:29 ... "And who is my neighbor?"

Who is the one I must love as myself?

The Question after the story:
Luke 10:36 "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

Which of these three do you think was the one who must be loved by the man who was robbed?

Answer:
Luke 10:37 ..."The one who had mercy on him."...

Only one must be loved. Only one was a neighbor.

Love your neighbor:
Luke 10:37 ..."Go and do likewise."

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Excatly!!! I am so happy you can see that now. God is telling us we need to show mercy even to those who we dislike

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Mumin said:

Sorry, I saw the opposite. I simplify what I said:

"love your neighbor"

"who is your neighbor of the three=who do I love of the three"?

"love only the righteous one of the three".

So, you are not commanded to love the other two ones, who are the ones that should be disliked, regardless their ethnicity.

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In this example, God is showing us how to show mercy. The command in this example is "go, and do likewise", the things to do is "had mercy on him", where "him" can be anyone!! Did you see there is no command to dislike in this example?

And God did tell us to pray and love our enemies, and here is the full verse:
Matthew 5:43-48

Love for Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

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Mumin said:

No point to continue this. For me, there is contradiction: John 13:34 (on love), Luke 14:26 (on hate), Luke 10:27-36 (distinction between who you have to love and other people).

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Luke 14:26 is about the hate of worldly things, that is why all those person mentioned, father/mother, including his own life! It is very clear it is not a hate for worldly enemies, but the sins in the eyes of God.

All other verses are talking about how we should loving others.

If one claims to be God's people, he has to act as God's people, that have the love from God. God has commanded us to "go, and do likewise", and it is not about who is your neighbor, is is about how to be others neighbor!

So to be of God's people, it is not about how to pray, how to go to some holy places, how to shower, it is about how to love others, how to be good neighbor of others, that they can see God's love from you.