Can there be morality without God?

GrimKingGrim said:

Oh and the great Setup at The Garden of Eden.

"I'm going to put this tree here. And because I'm all knowing my basic understanding of foresight and probability tells me she's gonna take the fruit."

Seriously though Why was that tree in Eden? He could have put that tree in Heaven or Just not make it at all

Why did he make it delicious fruit?

Why did he make it so low and easy to grab? 100 Foot tall tree discourages me from getting fruit I'll tell ya that.

He made it such an easy thing to grab that fruit. He also makes a talking snake that has more common sense then the two perfect humans he just created BEFOREHAND. What? And the snake gets in Eden how? Seriously the Earth is only like what seven days old by now? He'd have to make the snake inside the Garden or it must have zero security.

He then BLAMES the humans because they ate the fruit. Knowing full well he created them without knowledge of really anything. He calls them evil and exiles them. He destroys humanity instead of saying "I knew this was gonna happen."

Analytics of the first like 5 chapters of the Bible will make you question right off the bat. This is all common sense to us but to people who read this they're like "yea the Eve is so evil for damning humanity like that" and I've heard so many people condemn poor Eve. She was ignorant, she didn't actually know better.

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And, of course, the more we read into that particular fable, the more Grimm it becomes. (Forgive the terrible pun)

We are led to believe that Adam and Eve were created by God as innocents, like children. So much so, that they had no concept of right and wrong. This is evidenced by the instruction that they were not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, lest "they become like us."

So, at the time that God places them in that garden, with that tree standing right in front of them, they had no way of knowing that it would be 'wrong' to ignore the order of God not to eat from the tree. It was not until they ate from the tree, that they would become aware of their 'sin' - the whole purpose of the tree was to imbue that awareness.

So, the result is that they are punished for a wrongdoing for which they had no idea that it was wrong to do, until after the event!

And then this shocking display of deceit and injustice by God is compounded by decreeing that all the descendants of this couple would 'inherit' their guilt.

And to make the immorality complete, of course God would have known in advance that this was all going to unfold.

And people claim to worship this creature?

Stevewv

The bible said to burn daughters who were prostitutes, to kill homosexuals, to kill wives that weren't virgins, to burn non-believers in a hell, to kill non-believers. God sent his own angel to kill children in particular. That's murder in the first degree.

Obviously YOU haven't read or taken it seriously. They were murderers.

The UN has the Geneva Convention that prevents acts like the bible god. You saying that you think the actions of the UN were equally wrong does not in anyway change that your bible endorses these heinous crimes against humanity. That you think the UN was wrong for bombing a country but that God was just in killing thousands of children in a single night is absurd. You simply won't apply morality to your god.

Aa far as the bible not making sense if god was a murderer... well I said it never made sense in the first place. It's not my job to make a fictional story about a murderous god make sense. Your the one who needs it to make sense.

If you murder, kill burn and torture you're wrong for the same reason that anyone who did those things today would be punished for doing them and prohibited from doing them again.

I complain about the fictional bible because people like you believe it and you vote etc.

God had to kill everyone, men women and children. Not in order to prevent the deaths of thousands of his own peoples lives in stopping them, but to stop the spread of an imaginary sickness called sin... right.

So I want to meet you and the next time you or your family member commits a sin I am going to throw gasoline on you and set you on fire because your sin deserves death. I would be completely just in doing so. I am going to marry your daughter and if I learn that she's not virgin on our honeymoon night and I am not the first person to get to have her body I am going to kill her. I would be just in doing so.

The other day I was walking through the woods with my daughter and I heard a whisper in my heart, god promised me that if I'd trust him he'd make my children prosperous. He told me to pick up that rock and kill my 6 year old daughter. I killed her and thankfully no one was there to see it. I hid the body too. I miss my daughter but god is going to give me lots more and they will succeed in life. She cried a lot and was scared but I promised her that it was right because god told me too. His ways are mysterious.

Kiritsugu Emiyah said:

Stevewv

The bible said to burn daughters who were prostitutes, to kill homosexuals, to kill wives that weren't virgins, to burn non-believers in a hell, to kill non-believers. God sent his own angel to kill children in particular. That's murder in the first degree.

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No the bible states that God didn't kill all people who were sexually immoral or non believers. God had judged and punished a particular people who were sinning and refused to repent. They were spreading their sin like a cancer and just like in the past this would have continued and ended up affecting many. God is all knowing and He knew what the end result was. He never kills innocents and unfortunately there are some who are judged and punished accordingly.

But if they are not dealt with then it is a greater wrong in that they will cause much more harm and damage. It is the same for us today as we use capital punishment or take action against evil regimes. But God warns these people and will allow them to repent. The bible shows this with other nations and people who repented and were saved from Gods judgements by repenting. Abraham pleaded for Sodom and said to God even if there is one innocent person in the city can He spare them and God said He would. So it shows that God is measured in His judgements and doesn't just punish indiscriminately.

We need someone to sit on the high seat of truth and justice so that evil is dealt with and punished otherwise there is no justice in this world or the next. God is much more worthy to judge as He is all knowing and will know all the circumstances from the past, the present and the future to be absolutely fair and just in His judgements and punishments.

Obviously YOU haven't read or taken it seriously. They were murderers.

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You have judged it as murder so you must be all knowing like God. You must have been there back then to know everything that happened and went on. But then you may want murderers and sinners who killed their own children to go free and leave no justice in this world. A world like that would be anarchy and inhumane. So now you place yourself on the high seat above God.

The UN has the Geneva Convention that prevents acts like the bible god. You saying that you think the actions of the UN were equally wrong does not in anyway change that your bible endorses these heinous crimes against humanity. That you think the UN was wrong for bombing a country but that God was just in killing thousands of children in a single night is absurd. You simply won't apply morality to your god.

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The UN sanctioned the acts that the coalition did against innocent women and children in Iraqi. The UN sanctions all killing that is done in attacks on others who are judged as evil. So what is the difference. The difference is the UN and worldly governments who decide these things are fallible and will get it wrong in their judgements. Though they claim it is in the name of justice and peace there is often secret motives behind their decisions. They are based on revenge, control and lies like the ones that were made against Iraqi with the so called WMD that justified their attacks against Iraqi. The bible has the greatest check and balance that can ever be in discerning what and when it is justified to judge and punish those who are evil. God is the only worthy judge as He is sinless and all knowing and the creator of all things.

Aa far as the bible not making sense if god was a murderer... well I said it never made sense in the first place. It's not my job to make a fictional story about a murderous god make sense. Your the one who needs it to make sense.

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You seemed to understand the bible very well when you are making judgements against God. In fact your memory seems selective and you can even add in things that are not even there.

If you murder, kill burn and torture you're wrong for the same reason that anyone who did those things today would be punished for doing them and prohibited from doing them again.

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There was no torturing from God or His people. God had Judged certain people and they were punished accordingly. Not all people who did the same things were punished like this as some repented. But all were given the chance to repent. If there is no judgements and punishment for evil then we would be held accountable for allowing such evil to continue to destroy innocent people.

We didn't allow this in the 2nd world war when the allied forces nuked Japan to a cinder and killed every women and child living in those cities. We didn't allow this against Iraqi or Afghanistan or Vietnam. We dont allow that today against rapists, murderers and others who commit evil crimes so there is no difference. The only difference is that you have decided to sit in the judgement seat and deem some acts right and some wrong. But then you have already declared you are greater than God and know all things.

I complain about the fictional bible because people like you believe it and you vote etc.

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You were just speaking about the bible and how horrible the acts that were done in it. It didn't sound like you thought it was fictional. If its fictional then whats the problem nothing bad was really done by anyone because it didn't really happen. So there's no need to be criticizing anyone for doing anything wrong. But I think we can leave it at that as I know these types of debates can go on and they dont really go anywhere but around in circles.

Kiritsugu Emiyah said:

God had to kill everyone, men women and children. Not in order to prevent the deaths of thousands of his own peoples lives in stopping them, but to stop the spread of an imaginary sickness called sin... right.

So I want to meet you and the next time you or your family member commits a sin I am going to throw gasoline on you and set you on fire because your sin deserves death. I would be completely just in doing so. I am going to marry your daughter and if I learn that she's not virgin on our honeymoon night and I am not the first person to get to have her body I am going to kill her. I would be just in doing so.

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The difference is God didn't punish like this when they sinned and I think you have the wrong idea. It was only some that didn't repent and God being all knowing knew that they would never repent. They were beyond redemption and sin had infiltrated into their lives and each new generation would continue to sin. There was not one innocent among them and even the children would grow up to do the same.

God knew this as He was all knowing and wouldn't have destroyed those who were innocent if they would have repented. He also give ample warning and in the case of the Canaanites it was 100s of years warning. But they continued to sin and ignored God. So God didn't kill anyone straight away just for sinning like you want to do. This shows you are an even harsher judge than God in the way you want to dish out punishment. It also shows that you dont understand the stories and what was happening.

The other day I was walking through the woods with my daughter and I heard a whisper in my heart, god promised me that if I'd trust him he'd make my children prosperous. He told me to pick up that rock and kill my 6 year old daughter. I killed her and thankfully no one was there to see it. I hid the body too. I miss my daughter but god is going to give me lots more and they will succeed in life. She cried a lot and was scared but I promised her that it was right because god told me too. His ways are mysterious.

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Umm that sounds like Charlie Mason.

Stevevw

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

Just a name a few

Stevewv

Those scriptures I listed didn't talk about a chance to repent. Even if they had it would still be murder to kill them for not repenting. You don't kill people for blasphemy or sex or touching boxes or laughing at old men for your parents deeds.

There is no greater wrong than the murders he committed. Murdering a man for having bad sex is not preventing a greater wrong. Murder is the greatest wrong and sex isn't something to kill over.

Judging murder does not require me be all knowing, all I'd need to do was do those things today and everyone would call me a murderer.

You aren't addressing the fact that we have a Geneva Convention based on the knowledge that the things you god did are wrong.

Your god does torture people in hell, he burned women, that they did not repent to him doesn't change that he tortures and kills them. He's a murderer.

Yes I am greater than your god, I don't kill and torture people.

No these debates cannot go on and on. Murder and Fire is wrong. This isn't a debate. It's a joke.

stevevw said:

The difference is God didn't punish like this when they sinned and I think you have the wrong idea. It was only some that didn't repent and God being all knowing knew that they would never repent. They were beyond redemption and sin had infiltrated into their lives and each new generation would continue to sin. There was not one innocent among them and even the children would grow up to do the same.

God knew this as He was all knowing and wouldn't have destroyed those who were innocent if they would have repented. He also give ample warning and in the case of the Canaanites it was 100s of years warning. But they continued to sin and ignored God. So God didn't kill anyone straight away just for sinning like you want to do. This shows you are an even harsher judge than God in the way you want to dish out punishment. It also shows that you dont understand the stories and what was happening.

Umm that sounds like Charlie Mason.

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You didn't actually address anything I said.

The bible says god would be just in doing all those things, so I would as well. That you think I'm supposed to give you a chance to repent before killing or burning you doesn't make a difference.

So I will give your daughter and your family a chance to repent... if not I will kill them. No difference.

Stevewv

You have judged it as murder so you must be all knowing like (a make believe) God

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I'm really not sure why I am having this conversation with you.

So yeah... the man who was supposedly the most loyal and most upright, Job. God tells Job's enemy that he can kill Job's children and destroy Job's entire life and take everything away from him. God didn't have a problem with this and God expected Job to still adore him and be loyal to him.

God allowed Job's family to be killed and his whole life destroyed just to see whether Job would stay loyal to him or not. God then gives Job more kids and more stuff, proving how trivial things like children and wellbeing and happiness really are.

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Kiritsugu Emiyah said:

Stevewv

Those scriptures I listed didn't talk about a chance to repent. Even if they had it would still be murder to kill them for not repenting. You don't kill people for blasphemy or sex or touching boxes or laughing at old men for your parents deeds.

There is no greater wrong than the murders he committed. Murdering a man for having bad sex is not preventing a greater wrong. Murder is the greatest wrong and sex isn't something to kill over.

Judging murder does not require me be all knowing, all I'd need to do was do those things today and everyone would call me a murderer.

You aren't addressing the fact that we have a Geneva Convention based on the knowledge that the things you god did are wrong.

Your god does torture people in hell, he burned women, that they did not repent to him doesn't change that he tortures and kills them. He's a murderer.

Yes I am greater than your god, I don't kill and torture people.

No these debates cannot go on and on. Murder and Fire is wrong. This isn't a debate. It's a joke.

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All I can say is that it is important to understand what God is doing here. What can appear as something bad isn't always the case. God knows all the circumstances of these things and there were good reasons why He acted the way He did. Often these snippets that you reference are part of an ongoing bigger picture that God is dealing with. Circumstances related to them can stretch back many years if not 100s which will add more context to that one verse you cite. So you are judging these things from your limited understanding. So rather than I try to explain these things once again I thought it better to have someone who is more experienced in these things.

Is the God of the Old Testament a Merciless Monster?
ABSTRACT: Non-Christians sometimes assert that God is portrayed in the Old Testament as a cruel and ruthless deity that indiscriminately orders the execution of seemingly innocent men, women, and children, or directly carries out their deaths by various means. Such a God, the argument goes, in no way represents the loving Creator or Father figure that the New Testament offers, and should in no way be worshiped or venerated. However, a closer examination of Yahweh in the Old Testament refutes the charge of the Creator being a tyrant and instead reveals a righteous, patient, merciful, and loving God who does indeed mirror the picture painted by Jesus and the rest of the New Testament writers.
https://carm.org/god-of-old-testament-a-monster

Heres some verses showing Gods love in the old testament.

Ps 146:7-9
He upholds the cause of the oppressed
and gives food to the hungry.
The LORD sets prisoners free,
the LORD gives sight to the blind,
the LORD lifts up those who are bowed down,
the LORD loves the righteous.
The LORD watches over the alien
and sustains the fatherless and the widow,
but he frustrates the ways of the wicked.

The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. (Ex 34:6-7)

As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. (Ezek 33:11)

For men are not cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to the children of men. (Lam 3:31-33)

God does not take away life; instead, he devises ways so that a banished person may not remain estranged from him. (2 Sam 14:14)

If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. (Jer 18:7-8)

Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look around and consider, search through her squares. If you can find but one person who deals honestly and seeks the truth, I will forgive this city. (Jer 5:1)

Give thanks to the LORD, for He is good; For His loving kindness is everlasting. 2 Give thanks to the God of gods, For His loving kindness is everlasting Psalm 136:1-2

All the paths of the Lord are loving kindness and truth (Psalm 25:10)

The Lord loves righteousness and justice; The earth is full of the loving kindness of the Lord. (Psalm 33:5)

Your love is so great it reaches the heavens; your trustworthy faithfulness reaches to the clouds. (Psalm 57:10)

Your love O Lord is better than life (Psalm 63:3)

God has given us great things and done many great things for us by His compassion and from the abundance of His loving kindnesses. (Isaiah 63:7)

The Lord’s loving kindnesses certainly never cease because His compassion's never fail. His love, kindness, and compassion are new every morning. Great is Your loyal trustworthiness O Lord. (Lamentations 3:22-23)

Kiritsugu Emiyah said:

stevevw



Sounds like Abraham, the father of your faith. He was going to kill his son just because god told him to. He was fully intent on doing it.

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This is a good example of how you dont read the complete story and dont understand the context of what the verses you pick out mean. The act of Abraham sacrificing his son was a reflection of God sacrificing His son to save all people.

Abraham's faith is what the nation of Israel was built on. That nation is where the savior came from. So Abraham is the father of faith which is what salvation is based on. So Abraham saved millions of people by this act of faith. That is the significance of this that you dont include or understand. So its actually the opposite of what you think. Its an act of love and saving many people and not an act of hate and taking life.

Abraham also knew that either God wouldn't take his son or that his son would be saved by God and brought back to life because he said to his wife we will be back when he left to take his son Issac up the mountain.

The parallels between Issac and Jesus.
Only begotten Son Gen 22.2 John 3.16
Offered on a mountain/hill Gen 22.2 Mathew 21.10
Took donkey to place of sacrifice Gen 22.3 Mathew 21. 2 -11
Two men went with him Gen 22.3 Mark 15.27/ Luke 23.33
Three day journey/ Gen 22.4 Luke 24.13 - 21
Jesus 3 days in the grave
Son carried wood on his back up hill Gen 22.6 John 19.17
God will provide for Himself the lamb Gen 22.8 John 1.29
Son offered on the wood. Gen 22.9 Luke 23.33
Lamb in thicket of thorns/ Gen 22.13 John 19.2
crown of thorns
The seed will be multiplied Gen 22.17 John 1.12, Isaiah 53.10
Abraham went down and son didn't Gen22.19 Luke 23.46
Issac is not mentioned.
Servant gets bride for son. Gen 24.1-4 Eph 5.22-32, Rev 21.2,9, 22.17
The bride was a beautiful virgin. Gen 24.16 2 Cor 11.2
Servant offered 10 gifts to bride Gen 22.10 Rom 6.23; 12; 1 Cor 12

If you examine the chart, you can see that there is a very close parallel between the sacrifice of Isaac and the sacrifice of Jesus. Furthermore, you should be able to see that Abraham represented God the Father. Isaac represented God the Son. And the servant represented the God the Holy Spirit. The sacrifice of Christ was typified in the sacrifice of Isaac.
So, why did Abraham offer his son Isaac? He did so out of obedience--believing that God could raise him from the dead (Heb. 11:19), and also in his obedience he acted out the true sacrifice of the true only begotten son, Jesus.
https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/why-did-god-tell-abraham-kill-his-son-isaac

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I can't keep talking to you about this. It's literally bad for my health.

Kiritsugu Emiyah said:

I can't keep talking to you about this. It's literally bad for my health.

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Yeah fair enough it is a topic that can keep going over the same ground and become frustrating.