Luke 10:42 Bible Babble Buffet at its Best

brandplucked · Aug 30, 2014

"ALL Bibles are inerrant. What do I mean by that? I mean that the message is the same in each."

Genesis 27:39-40

KJB thy dwelling SHALL BE the fatness of the earth
NIV Your dwelling will be AWAY FROM the earths richness
NASB, ESV - AWAY FROM the fertility of the earth shall be your dwelling

Exodus 26:14 Badgers skins, porpoise, goats, violet colored skins, seal skins, dolphin, sea cows, "jackal", "blue skins" or durable leather?

Exodus 26:14 KJB - "Thou shalt make a covering for the tent of ram's skins dyed RED, and a covering of BADGER'S skins".

ESV - "And you shall make for the tent a covering of TANNED rams' skins, and a covering of GOATSKINS on top."

NIV 1978 & 1982 editions, The Voice 2012 - "Make for the tent a covering of ram skins dyed RED, and over that a covering of hides of SEA COWS."

NIV 2011 edition - "Make for the tent a covering of ram skins dyed RED, and over that a covering of OTHER DURABLE LEATHER."

ISV (International Standard Version) - "You shall make a cover for the tabernacle of ram skins dyed red and a covering of DOLPHIN SKINS above that."

ASV - " And thou shalt make a covering for the tent of rams' skins dyed red, and a covering of SEALSKINS above."

NASB - "You shall make a covering for the tent of rams' skins dyed RED and a covering of PORPOISE SKINS above."

Holman Standard - "Make a covering for the tent from rams skins dyed RED, and a covering of MANATEE SKINS on top of that."

So called Greek Septuagint - "and BLUE SKINS as coverings above."

Modern Greek bible - επικαλυμμα υπερανωθεν εκ δερματων θωων. = covering on top of JACKAL skins.

To see why the KJB is right, go here -
Badgers' skin. - Another King James Bible Believer

2 Samuel 14:14

KJB - "NEITHER DOTH GOD RESPECT ANY PERSON"

ESV, NASB, NIV, NKJV, NET - "BUT GOD WILL NOT TAKE AWAY LIFE"

2 Kings 23:29 - Did the King of Egypt go up AGAINST the king of Assyria" or "TO THE AID OF the king of Assyria"?

2 Kings 23:29 KJB - "In his days Pharaoh-nechoh king of Egypt WENT UP AGAINST the king of Assyria to the river Euphrates: and king Josiah went against him; and he slew him at Megiddo, when he had seen him."

NKJV, NIV, NET - "In his days Pharaoh Neco king of Egypt WENT TO THE AID OF the king of Assyria, to the River Euphrates; and King Josiah went against him, And PHARAOH NECHO (Footnote - literally 'he') killed him at Megiddo when he confronted him."

For an explanation as to why the King James Bible is right and the NKJV is wrong, See the whole article here -

2 Kings 23:29 against - Another King James Bible Believer

Job 16:20
KJB My friends SCORN me: but mine eye poureth out tears unto God.
NIV My intercessor IS MY FRIEND as my eyes pour out tears to God.

Job 39:13 KJB - "Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?"

NKJV: "The wings of the OSTRICH WAVE PROUDLY, BUT ARE HER WINGS AND PINIONS LIKE THE KINDLY STORK?"

NASB: "The ostriches' wings FLAP JOYOUSLY with the PINIONS AND PLUMAGE OF LOVE."

NIV: "The wings of the ostrich flap joyously BUT THEY CANNOT COMPARE WITH the pinions and feathers OF THE STORK."

Young's "literal": "The wings OF THE RATTLING ONES EXULTETH whether the pinions of the ostrich OR HAWK."

Judaica Press Tanach - The wing of the RENANIM REJOICED, OR THE WINGED STORK OR THE NOZAH.

RSV, ESV 2001 - "The wings of the ostrich wave proudly; BUT ARE THEY the pinions and plumage OF LOVE?

NRSV : "The ostrich's wings flap wildly THOUGH ITS PINIONS LACK PLUMMAGE."

Lamsa's : "The ostrich ROUSES HERSELP UP HAUGHTILY,THEN SHE COMES AND MAKES HER NEST."

LXX "A wing of DELIGHTED ONES is the PEACOCK IF THE STORK AND THE OSTRICH CONCEIVE."

New English Bible: "The wings of the ostrich ARE STUNTED; her pinions and plummage ARE SO SCANTY."

Catholic St. Joseph New American bible 1970 - "The wings of the ostrich BEAT IDLY, HER PLUMAGE IS LACKING IN PINIONS."

Catholic New Jerusalem bible 1985 - "Can the wing of the ostrich BE COMPARED WITH THE PLUMAGE OF STORK OR FALCON?"

NET version by Daniel Wallace and company - "The wings of the ostrich FLAP WITH JOY, BUT ARE THEY THE PINIONS AND PLUMAGE OF A STORK?"

Bible in Basic English: "IS the wing of the ostrich FEEBLE, OR IS IT BECAUSE SHE HAS NO FEATHERS?"

The Message - "The OSTRICH flaps her wings FUTILELY - ALL THOSE BEAUTIFUL FEATHERS, BUT USELESS!

Psalm 7:4 KJB "If I have rewarded evil unto him that was at peace with me; Yea, I HAVE DELIVERED HIM THAT WITHOUT CAUSE IS MINE ENEMY."

NKJV, ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman - "If I have repaid evil to him who was at peace with me, OR HAVE PLUNDERED MY ENEMY WITHOUT CAUSE"

NET - "or have wronged my ally, OR HELPED HIS LAWLESS ENEMY".

Young's - ""If I have done my well-wisher evil, AND DRAW MINE ADVERSARY WITHOUT CAUSE."

The New Jerusalem bible - "If I repaid my ally with treachery, OR SPARED SOMEONE WHO ATTACKED ME UNPROVOKED, may an enemy hunt me down and catch me."

Greek LXX - "If I have requited with evil those who requited me with good, MAY I THEN PERISH EMPTY BY MEANS OF MY ENEMIES."

Psalm 10:4, 5
KJB wicked..His ways are always GRIEVOUS
NIV wicked..His ways are always prosperous
NKJV wicked..His ways are always prospering
ESV wicked..His ways prosper at all times
HCSB wicked..His ways are always secure

Psalm 29:9
KJB The voice of the LORD maketh the HINDS TO CALVE
NIV The voice of the LORD TWISTS THE OAKS

Proverbs 7:22 KJB - He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, OR AS A FOOL TO THE CORRECTION OF THE STOCKS.

NIV - " LIKE A DEER STEPPING INTO A NOOSE.

ESV - AS A STAG IS CAUGHT FAST.

NASB - "OR AS ONE IN FETTERS TO THE DISCIPLINE OF A FOOL."

Catholic Public Domain Version 2009 - " LIKE A LAMB ACTING LASCIVIOUSLY, AND NOT KNOWING THAT HE IS BEING DRAWN FOOLISHLY INTO CHAINS."

Lamsa's 1933 - "AS A DOG TO BE MUZZLED."

Greek Septuagint - "AS A DOG TO BONDS, OR AS A HART SHOT IN THE LIVER WITH AN ARROW."

Proverbs 18:24
KJB A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly
NASB A man of many friends COMES TO RUIN
NIV A man of many companions MAY COME TO RUIN
ESV A man of many companions MAY COME TO RUIN
HCSB A man with many friends MAY BE HARMED

Proverbs 22:20 "excellent things", "three times" or "thirty sayings"?
KJB (RV, ASV, NASB, NKJV) -Have not I written unto thee EXCELLENT THINGS
NIV, ESV - Have I not written for you THIRTY SAYINGS of counsel and knowledge
Young's - "Have I not written to thee THREE TIMES with counsels and knowledge?

Proverbs 25:23
KJB The north wind DRIVETH AWAY rain
NIV As a north wind BRINGS rain
NASB The north wind BRINGS forth rain
ESV The north wind BRINGS forth rain

Proverbs 26:22
KJB The words of a talebearer are as WOUNDS
NIV The words of a gossip are like choice morsels
NASB The words of a whisperer are like dainty morsels
ESV The words of a whisperer are delicious morsels
HCSB A gossips words are like choice food

Ecclesiastes 8:10
KJB wicked..were FORGOTTEN
NIV wicked..receive praise
ESV wicked..were praised

Isaiah 9:1
KJB afterward did more GRIEVOUSLY AFFLICT .Galilee
NASB later on He shall make it glorious.Galilee
NIV in the future he will honor Galilee
ESV in the latter time he has made glorious.Galilee

Isaiah 9:3
KJB NOT increased their joy
NIV, TNIV increased the joy
NKJV increased its joy
ESV increased its joy
NASB increased their gladness

brandplucked · Aug 30, 2014

"ALL Bibles are inerrant. What do I mean by that? I mean that the message is the same in each."

d learn why the King James Bible and the Hebrew text are right and the ESV isn't.
Isaiah 32:2 A MAN hiding - Another King James Bible Believer

Jeremiah 51:3
KJB LET the archer BEND his bow
ESV Let NOT the archer BEND his bow
NIV Let NOT the archer STRING his bow
NASB Let NOT him who BENDS his bow BEND it

Hosea 10:1
KJB Israel is an EMPTY vine
NASB Israel is a luxuriant vine
ESV Israel is a luxuriant vine
NIV Israel was a spreading vine

Hosea 11:12
KJB Judah yet RULETH WITH God
NIV Judah is UNRULY AGAINST God
NASB Judah is also UNRULY AGAINST God

Hosea 13:9

KJB - "O Israel, THOU HAST DESTROYED THYSELF: BUT IN ME IS THINE HELP."

ESV - "HE destroys you, O Israel, FOR YOU ARE AGAINST ME, AGAINST YOUR HELPER."

The Holman Standard - "I WILL DESTROY YOU, Israel; YOU HAVE NO HELP BUT ME."

Hosea 13:14
KJB - "I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: REPENTANCE SHALL BE HID FROM MINE EYES."

ESV 2001-2011 - "SHALL I ransom them from the power of Sheol? SHALL I redeem them from Death? O Death, WHERE ARE your plagues? O Sheol, WHERE IS YOUR STING? COMPASSION is hidden from my eyes."
NET version - "WILL I DELIVER THEM FROM THE POWER OF SHEOL? NO, I WILL NOT! WILL I REDEEM THEM FROM DEATH? NO, I WILL NOT! O DEATH, BRING ON YOUR PLAGUES! O SHEOL, BRING ON YOUR DESTRUCTION! MY EYES WILL NOT SHOW ANY COMPASSION!"

Colossians 2:18
KJB things which he hath NOT seen
NIV, TNIV, ISV what he HAS seen
NASB visions he HAS seen
RSV, ESV, Holman, NET = NASB, NIV.

Colossians 4:8
KJB HE might know YOUR estate
ESV YOU may know how WE ARE
HCSB YOU may know how WE ARE
NIV YOU may know about OUR CIRCUMSTANCES
TNIV YOU may know about OUR CIRCUMSTANCES

Hebrews 3:16
KJB - For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
NKJV - For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses?
ESV -For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses?
NIV - Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?

brandplucked · Aug 30, 2014

"ALL Bibles are inerrant. What do I mean by that? I mean that the message is the same in each."

The Bible Babble Buffet Versions

Among these historic details are whether Jeremiah 27:1 reads Jehoiakim (Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, KJB, Douay-Rheims) or Zedekiah (RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem 1985)

whether 2 Samuel 21:8 reads Michal (Hebrew texts, KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, Douay-Rheims) or Merab (RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or the 7th day in Judges 14:15 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, Douay-Rheims) or the 4th day (RSV, ESV, NASB, NIV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem)

Or Hannah taking young Samuel to the house of the LORD with THREE bullocks in 1 Samuel 1:24 (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, JPS 1917, NKJV, Youngs, NET, Douay-Rheims) or A THREE YEAR OLD BULL: (LXX, Syriac RSV, ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or God smiting 50,070 men in 1 Samuel 6:19 (KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NET, Douay-Rheims) or 70 men slain (RSV, NIV, NRSV, ESV, Catholic New Jerusalem), or 70 men- 50 chief men (Youngs), or 70 MEN OUT OF 50,000 Holman Standard

or there being 30,000 chariots in 1 Samuel 13:5 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, NASB, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Douay-Rheims) or only 3000 (NIV, NET, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

Look at the new "revision" of the ESV 2011. It came out in 2001 and they revised and changed about 300 verses in 2007 and then they revised it again in 2011. Take a look at what they have done with 1 Samuel 13:1.

1 Samuel 13:1 Here we read: Saul reigned ONE year; and when he had reigned TWO years over Israel, Saul chose him three thousand men of Israel. reading - ONE/TWO years (NKJV, KJB, Geneva, Judaica Press Tanach, Orthodox Jewish Bible), or 40/32 (NASB 1972-77) or 30/42 (NASB 1995, NIV), OR 30 years/ 40 years (NET) or _____years and______and two years (RSV, NRSV, ESV 2001 edition, St. Joseph New American Bible 1970, Catholic New Jerusalem 1985), or "was 40 years old...and when he had reigned 2 years" (Amplified bible 1987) or "____years old and reigned 2 years" (C...omplete Jewish bible, Knox bible) or "was 30 years old...ruled for 42 years" (ISV, Common English Bible) or 32 years old...reigned for 22 years in the 1989 Revised English Bible, or even "was 50 years old and reigned 22 years."!

But wait. There's even more. The ESV 2001 edition had "Saul was________years old when he began to reign, and he reigned____and two years over Israel." But now the 2011 edition of the ESV has come out (I have a hard copy right here in front of me) and it now has the perhaps even more ridiculous reading of "Saul LIVED FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN BECAME KING, and when he had reigned FOR TWO YEARS over Israel, Saul chose 3000 men of Israel...". Think about it. "Saul lived for one year and then became king". They just get loopier and loopier, don't they?

Can you guess which other bible version reads like the latest ESV? You got it. The Catholic Douay-Rheims and the Douay Version 1950 - "Saul WAS A CHILD OF ONE YEAR WHEN HE BEGAN TO REIGN, and he reigned two years over Israel."

By the way, here is a more in depth study showing why the King James Bible got it right, as it ALWAYS does.

1 Samuel 13:1 words lost - Another King James Bible Believer

1 Samuel 17:4 How Tall Was Goliath?

In 1 Samuel 17:4 the Hebrew texts tell us that the height of Goliath was SIX cubits and a span, which would make him about 9 feet 6 inches tall. That indeed is a giant. However the LXX tells us that Goliath was a mere FOUR cubits and a span - "ὕψος αὐτοῦ τεσσάρων πήχεων καὶ σπιθαμῆς" - which would make him only 6 feet 6 inches tall, which would hardly be much among NBA players today. King Saul himself was head and shoulders taller than the other Israelites, and yet he was afraid of this giant. If he were only 6ft. 6 inches, this would not make much sense.

Agreeing with the Hebrew text the he was 6 cubits and a span tall are the RSV, ESV, NASB, NIV, NKJV and all Jewish translations.

However there are a few loonies out there like Daniel Wallace and gang's NET version that says: "His name was Goliath; he was from Gath. He was CLOSE TO SEVEN FEET TALL."

Dan Wallace's group chose the reading found in SOME LXX copies of FOUR and a half cubits tall. Other LXX copies have FIVE and others still have SIX cubits and a span. Also reading this way are the new ISV (International Standard Version) and the Catholic St. Josepeh New American bible 1970. So, which one is right? Was he 4 or 5 or 6 cubits and a span tall?

For more information on this see Scatterbrained Septuagint Silliness -

Scatterbrain Septuagint - Another King James Bible Believer

2 Samuel 15:7 forty years (KJB, Hebrew, Geneva, NKJV, NASB, RV, Douay-Rheims) OR four years (NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or whether both 2 Samuel 23:18 and 1 Chronicles 11:20 read chief of the THREE (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, NRSV, Holman, NIV, NET, Holman, NET, Douay-Rheims) or THIRTY from the Syriac (NASB, RSV, ESV, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or 2 Samuel 24:13 reading SEVEN years (KJB, Hebrew, ASV, NASB, NKJV, NET, Douay-Rheims) or THREE years (LXX, NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or whether 1 Kings 4:26 reads 40,000 stalls of horses (Hebrew, KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, ESV, NKJV, Douay-Rheims) or 4,000 stalls (NIV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or whether 1 Kings 5:11 reads 20 measures of pure oil (Hebrew texts, Geneva, KJB, ASV, RV, NASB, NRSV, Douay-Rheims) or 20,000 (RSV, NIV, ESV, NET, LXX and Syriac, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or in 2 Chronicles 31:16 we read "males from THREE years old" (Hebrew texts, KJB, Geneva Bible, Wycliffe, LXX, Syriac, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NIV, NKJV, Holman, NET, Douay-Rheims) or "males from THIRTY years old" (NASB - ft. Hebrew three, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or where 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads that Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign (Hebrew texts, KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, KJB, RSV, NRSV, ESV 2001 edition, Douay-Rheims) or he was 18 years old (NIV, Holman, NET, ESV 2007 edition!!! and once again the Catholic New Jerusalem)

Luke 10:42 How many things are needed? "ONE THING" or "A FEW THINGS"? Bible Babble Buffet at its Best.

King James Bible - Luke 10:42 - But ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

NASB 1963-1977 editions - But ONLY A FEW THINGS ARE NECESSARY, REALLY ONLY ONE, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

NASB 1995 edition - But ONLY ONE THING IS NECESSARY, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

NIV 1973, 1978 and 1982 editions - "BUT ONLY ONE THING IS NEEDED. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken from her."

NIV 2011 edition - "BUT FEW THINGS ARE NEEDED - OR INDEED ONLY ONE. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken from her."

Did you notice that both the NASB and the NIV changed THE TEXT from one edition to another, AND that they REVERSED THEIR CHOICES? What is going on here in Bible Babble Buffet Land?

Luke 10:42Onethingneedfl - Another King James Bible Believer

Luke 10:1,17 were there 70 sent out to preach (NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, Holman, ISV, KJB) or 72 sent out? (NIV, ESV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or in Matthew 18:22 does the Lord say to forgive your brother not until 7 times, but unto 70 times 7 times (= 490 times - KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NKJV, RSV, ESV 2001, 2007 editions, ISV, Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph NAB, ALL Greek texts) or 77 times? (NRSV, NIV, ESV 2011 edition, Catholic New Jerusalem, Jehovah Witness New World Translation)

Hebrews 11:11 Was it Sarah or Abraham?

Hebrews 11:11 KJB - "Through faith also SARAH HERSELF received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child, when SHE was past age, because SHE judged him faithful who had promised."

(Tyndale, Geneva, Darby, Youngs, RV, ASV, NASB, RSV, ESV 2011, NKJV, Holman Standard 2009, Common English Bible 2012 and ALL Greek texts)

NIV 1973, 1978 and 1982 editions - "By faith ABRAHAM, even though HE was past age - AND SARAH HERSELF WAS BARREN - was enabled to become A FATHER because HE considered him faithful who had made the promise."

(Dan Wallace's NET version 2006, NRSV 1989, New Century Version 2005, Names of God bible 2011, Lexham English bible 2012)

NIV 2011 edition - "And by faith even SARAH, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because SHE considered him faithful who had made the promise."

or that when God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead it is stated in Acts 13:33 this day have I begotten thee (KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Douay-Rheims) or today I have become your Father? (NIV, Holman, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem).

If you go back and read through this list of just some of the numerous very real differences that exist among these Bible of the Month Club versions, ask yourself Which (if any) are the 100% historically true words of God. IF "the Bible" is not 100% historically true in the events it narrates, then when does God start to tell us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

So, try to honestly answer the basic question here. Do you or do you not believe there IS (or ever was) a complete, inspired and 100% true Bible in any language that IS the inerrant and infallible words of God? Are you a Bible believer or a Bible agnostic who doesnt know if such a Bible exists or not and what it might look like if it did?

kiwimac · Aug 30, 2014

You quote as IF the KJV were the standard by which other English bibles must be judged. It is not, it is a dated translation best left in the 17th C where it belongs.

Strong in Him · Aug 31, 2014

brandplucked said:
"ALL Bibles are inerrant. What do I mean by that? I mean that the message is the same in each."

Genesis 27:39-40

KJB thy dwelling SHALL BE the fatness of the earth
NIV Your dwelling will be AWAY FROM the earth’s richness
NASB, ESV - AWAY FROM the fertility of the earth shall be your dwelling

Exodus 26:14 “Badger’s skins”, “porpoise”, “goats”, “violet colored skins”, “seal skins”, “dolphin”, “sea cows”, "jackal", "blue skins" or “durable leather”?

Exodus 26:14 KJB - "Thou shalt make a covering for the tent of ram's skins dyed RED, and a covering of BADGER'S skins".

ESV - "And you shall make for the tent a covering of TANNED rams' skins, and a covering of GOATSKINS on top."

NIV 1978 & 1982 editions, The Voice 2012 - "Make for the tent a covering of ram skins dyed RED, and over that a covering of hides of SEA COWS."

NIV 2011 edition - "Make for the tent a covering of ram skins dyed RED, and over that a covering of OTHER DURABLE LEATHER."

ISV (International Standard Version) - "You shall make a cover for the tabernacle of ram skins dyed red and a covering of DOLPHIN SKINS above that."

ASV - " And thou shalt make a covering for the tent of rams' skins dyed red, and a covering of SEALSKINS above."

NASB - "You shall make a covering for the tent of rams' skins dyed RED and a covering of PORPOISE SKINS above."

Holman Standard - "Make a covering for the tent from rams skins dyed RED, and a covering of MANATEE SKINS on top of that."

So called Greek Septuagint - "and BLUE SKINS as coverings above."

Modern Greek bible - επικαλυμμα υπερανωθεν εκ δερματων θωων. = covering on top of JACKAL skins.

To see why the KJB is right, go here -
Badgers' skin. - Another King James Bible Believer

2 Samuel 14:14

KJB - "NEITHER DOTH GOD RESPECT ANY PERSON"

ESV, NASB, NIV, NKJV, NET - "BUT GOD WILL NOT TAKE AWAY LIFE"

2 Kings 23:29 - Did the King of Egypt go up “AGAINST the king of Assyria" or "TO THE AID OF the king of Assyria"?

2 Kings 23:29 KJB - "In his days Pharaoh-nechoh king of Egypt WENT UP AGAINST the king of Assyria to the river Euphrates: and king Josiah went against him; and he slew him at Megiddo, when he had seen him."

NKJV, NIV, NET - "In his days Pharaoh Neco king of Egypt WENT TO THE AID OF the king of Assyria, to the River Euphrates; and King Josiah went against him, And PHARAOH NECHO (Footnote - literally 'he') killed him at Megiddo when he confronted him."

For an explanation as to why the King James Bible is right and the NKJV is wrong, See the whole article here -

2 Kings 23:29 against - Another King James Bible Believer

Job 16:20
KJB My friends SCORN me: but mine eye poureth out tears unto God.
NIV My intercessor IS MY FRIEND as my eyes pour out tears to God.

Job 39:13 KJB - "Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?"

NKJV: "The wings of the OSTRICH WAVE PROUDLY, BUT ARE HER WINGS AND PINIONS LIKE THE KINDLY STORK?"

NASB: "The ostriches' wings FLAP JOYOUSLY with the PINIONS AND PLUMAGE OF LOVE."

NIV: "The wings of the ostrich flap joyously BUT THEY CANNOT COMPARE WITH the pinions and feathers OF THE STORK."

Young's "literal": "The wings OF THE RATTLING ONES EXULTETH whether the pinions of the ostrich OR HAWK."

Judaica Press Tanach - “The wing of the RENANIM REJOICED, OR THE WINGED STORK OR THE NOZAH.”

RSV, ESV 2001 - “"The wings of the ostrich wave proudly; BUT ARE THEY the pinions and plumage OF LOVE?”

NRSV : "The ostrich's wings flap wildly THOUGH ITS PINIONS LACK PLUMMAGE."

Lamsa's : "The ostrich ROUSES HERSELP UP HAUGHTILY,THEN SHE COMES AND MAKES HER NEST."

LXX "A wing of DELIGHTED ONES is the PEACOCK IF THE STORK AND THE OSTRICH CONCEIVE."

New English Bible: "The wings of the ostrich ARE STUNTED; her pinions and plummage ARE SO SCANTY."

Catholic St. Joseph New American bible 1970 - "The wings of the ostrich BEAT IDLY, HER PLUMAGE IS LACKING IN PINIONS."

Catholic New Jerusalem bible 1985 - "Can the wing of the ostrich BE COMPARED WITH THE PLUMAGE OF STORK OR FALCON?"

NET version by Daniel Wallace and company - "The wings of the ostrich FLAP WITH JOY, BUT ARE THEY THE PINIONS AND PLUMAGE OF A STORK?"

Bible in Basic English: "IS the wing of the ostrich FEEBLE, OR IS IT BECAUSE SHE HAS NO FEATHERS?"

The Message - “"The OSTRICH flaps her wings FUTILELY - ALL THOSE BEAUTIFUL FEATHERS, BUT USELESS!”

Psalm 7:4 KJB "If I have rewarded evil unto him that was at peace with me; Yea, I HAVE DELIVERED HIM THAT WITHOUT CAUSE IS MINE ENEMY."

NKJV, ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman - "If I have repaid evil to him who was at peace with me, OR HAVE PLUNDERED MY ENEMY WITHOUT CAUSE"

NET - "or have wronged my ally, OR HELPED HIS LAWLESS ENEMY".

Young's - ""If I have done my well-wisher evil, AND DRAW MINE ADVERSARY WITHOUT CAUSE."

The New Jerusalem bible - "If I repaid my ally with treachery, OR SPARED SOMEONE WHO ATTACKED ME UNPROVOKED, may an enemy hunt me down and catch me."

Greek LXX - "If I have requited with evil those who requited me with good, MAY I THEN PERISH EMPTY BY MEANS OF MY ENEMIES."

Psalm 10:4, 5
KJB wicked…..His ways are always GRIEVOUS
NIV wicked…..His ways are always prosperous
NKJV wicked…..His ways are always prospering
ESV wicked…..His ways prosper at all times
HCSB wicked…..His ways are always secure

Psalm 29:9
KJB The voice of the LORD maketh the HINDS TO CALVE
NIV The voice of the LORD TWISTS THE OAKS

Proverbs 7:22 KJB - “He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, OR AS A FOOL TO THE CORRECTION OF THE STOCKS.”

NIV - " LIKE A DEER STEPPING INTO A NOOSE.”

ESV - AS A STAG IS CAUGHT FAST.”

NASB - "OR AS ONE IN FETTERS TO THE DISCIPLINE OF A FOOL."

Catholic Public Domain Version 2009 - " LIKE A LAMB ACTING LASCIVIOUSLY, AND NOT KNOWING THAT HE IS BEING DRAWN FOOLISHLY INTO CHAINS."

Lamsa's 1933 - "AS A DOG TO BE MUZZLED."

Greek Septuagint - "AS A DOG TO BONDS, OR AS A HART SHOT IN THE LIVER WITH AN ARROW."

Proverbs 18:24
KJB A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly
NASB A man of many friends COMES TO RUIN
NIV A man of many companions MAY COME TO RUIN
ESV A man of many companions MAY COME TO RUIN
HCSB A man with many friends MAY BE HARMED

Proverbs 22:20 "excellent things", "three times" or "thirty sayings"?
KJB (RV, ASV, NASB, NKJV) -Have not I written unto thee EXCELLENT THINGS
NIV, ESV - Have I not written for you THIRTY SAYINGS of counsel and knowledge
Young's - "Have I not written to thee THREE TIMES with counsels and knowledge?

Proverbs 25:23
KJB The north wind DRIVETH AWAY rain
NIV As a north wind BRINGS rain
NASB The north wind BRINGS forth rain
ESV The north wind BRINGS forth rain

Proverbs 26:22
KJB The words of a talebearer are as WOUNDS
NIV The words of a gossip are like choice morsels
NASB The words of a whisperer are like dainty morsels
ESV The words of a whisperer are delicious morsels
HCSB A gossip’s words are like choice food

Ecclesiastes 8:10
KJB wicked…..were FORGOTTEN
NIV wicked…..receive praise
ESV wicked…..were praised

Isaiah 9:1
KJB afterward did more GRIEVOUSLY AFFLICT …….Galilee
NASB later on He shall make it glorious…….Galilee
NIV in the future he will honor Galilee
ESV in the latter time he has made glorious….Galilee

Isaiah 9:3
KJB NOT increased their joy
NIV, TNIV increased the joy
NKJV increased its joy
ESV increased its joy
NASB increased their gladness

Like that other KJV only-ist that I was telling you about, you have not read my post fully, have quoted only one part of it and responded to that.

I SAID that the message of salvation is the same in each; the truth about God and his nature, the message and truth about Jesus, his atoning death on the cross, his resurrection, ascension, Pentecost, and how we can be filled with this Spirit, be a child of God, live for him and serve him while we are waiting for Jesus' return. THAT message is the same in every Bible; it has not changed from one translation to another, it is true, inerrant, unchanging. It is THIS which makes the Bible, the written word of God (Jesus is THE Word) true and inerrant.

I SAID that you seem to have a different idea of truth; one in which all the words, phrases and minute details have to be identical in every book. And you have just proved this to me by your 3 long posts, comparing words and individual verses. Although you have only compared them to the KJB - a 400 year old version. As I've also said, there were Bibles around long before the KJB was even thought of. Why not compare them, and the KJV, with the Greek and Hebrew texts?

Your starting point, and your conclusion, is that the KJB is inerrant, true and infallible. Everything which differs from it HAS to be false (in your reckoning); you compare other Bibles with, what you have already decided, is the true one, and where they differ, that just confirms (to you( that yours is the correct one.
This, itself, is not true.

brandplucked · Aug 31, 2014

Hi Strong. I never said that the message of salvation is not found in all bible versions no matter how corrupt. It is. I affirm this. But don't come across with the thinking that is as deep as a parking lot puddle that affirms therefore all bibles are inerrant. They are not. Not even close. And if you can't trust the names, numbers and multiple, contradictory meanings of all those verses that surround the gospel message, then how do you know the gospel itself is true and infallible?

It is a fact that most Christians today do NOT believe in the infallibility of the Bible - ANY Bible in ANY language. The polls show this to be the case. And neither do you. THAT is my point.

Polls show that most Christians do not believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, and it is getting worse.

"Bible not inspired and inerrant?" What do the polls say?

The Bible NOT inspired - Another King James Bible Believer

pyramid33 · Aug 31, 2014

I have to be honest bro, the "babble" wording lost me.

brandplucked · Aug 31, 2014

pyramid33 said:
I have to be honest bro, the "babble" wording lost me.

I'm not surprised. There is a lot of this going around these daze.

Strong in Him · Aug 31, 2014

brandplucked said:
Hi Strong. I never said that the message of salvation is not found in all bible versions no matter how corrupt. It is. I affirm this. But don't come across with the thinking that is as deep as a parking lot puddle that affirms therefore all bibles are inerrant. They are not. Not even close. And if you can't trust the names, numbers and multiple, contradictory meanings of all those verses that surround the gospel message, then how do you know the gospel itself is true and infallible?

I know and trust God, therefore I trust Jesus and also the Holy Spirit who inspired men to record the words of God in Scripture. I trust the Gospel.

The questions, for me, are;
Why do you think that God would put a true, inerrant message, and Gospel, into a "corrupt" Bible?
Why do you think he would allow a Bible which purports to be his word but which is in fact "corrupt" to exist and mislead his children?
Why do you not believe the translators and editors were telling the truth when they say they were led by the Holy Spirit in their work?
Why do you insist that the KJV is THE only Bible when it wasn't even produced until the 1600s? There were thousands of Christians before then. King James was not an apostle of Jesus and did not write any of the books or epistles that make up the NT.

You could start thousands of threads saying things like, "the KJB says this happened, other Bibles change the order of events or some of the words used. They disagree with the KJB therefore THEY are all corrupt". That does not change my belief that when I read from my preferred translation of Scripture, I am reading God's words; God's inspired, true, holy words. Words that tell me about God and Jesus, who IS the Word; words that tell me of God's love, forgiveness,salvation and plan for my life, and his world.

If you are saying that "corrupt" versions of the Bible still have the true Gospel, and if you are not denying that I, who, according to you, read a "corrupt" version of the Bible am still saved and know God - then I have to ask what all the fuss is about? You say my Bible is corrupt; I don't. You say that I don't believe that ANY Bible is completely inerrant, perfect, without mistake or fault; I say so what? The KJV is not perfect. If you love it, read it, have memorised bits of it and would never read anything else - brilliant; good for you. But that doesn't mean that those who don't share your views and passion are "Bible agnostics", upholders of corrupt manuscripts or somehow lesser Christians or more sinful in the eyes of God.

brandplucked · Aug 31, 2014

Hi Strong. Just about every question you ask here would answer itself if you were to actually answer the main question yourself. Do you believe that ANY Bible in any language IS now the complete, inspired and 100% true words of the living God? Yes or No?

If Yes, can you show us a copy of it or give us a link to where we can see it? Remember, multiple versions that contradict each other by hundreds of different meanings, names, numbers, and thousands of words omitted in some and found in others, cannot ALL be in infallible words of God. (Unless God is both schizophrenic and has Alzheimer's).

Which one is always right and when others differ in texts or meanings, then the others are wrong and yours is right?

If No, you do not believe that any Bible is the infallible words of God, then are you honest enough to admit it? Thanks.

Strong in Him · Aug 31, 2014

brandplucked said:
Hi Strong. Just about every question you ask here would answer itself if you were to actually answer the main question yourself. Do you believe that ANY Bible in any language IS now the complete, inspired and 100% true words of the living God? Yes or No?

Yes; I've said so.
The Holy Bible is inspired and the true word of God.

brandplucked said:
Remember, multiple versions that contradict each other by hundreds of different meanings, names, numbers, and thousands of words omitted in some and found in others, cannot ALL be in infallible words of God.

No, that's YOUR view - that if the Bible differs from another in the smallest detail it cannot be true and is "corrupt". Slightly different translations of names, use of words, sequences of events do not negate the truth of the Bible, the character of God and the Gospel. I've said before; language changes and new manuscripts are found. The word of God, the truth about Jesus and his atoning death, resurrection and second coming, the nature of the Holy Spirit and fact that we can have eternal life and be children of God - this all remains the same.
It is all true. What God says about himself, sin, salvation, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, how we live our Christian lives, what happens after death is 100%, absolutely, completely true and unchanging. The characters who lived in the Bible were real; the accounts of their lives and adventures are true; Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Job, Moses, David, Gideon, Samuel, Jonah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Jesus, the 12, Paul etc etc. They lived, they fought, they faced suffering, they trusted in God, they felt let down by God, they saw miracles, they got angry when they didn't see miracles, they preached God's word - and died, sometimes lonely, unappreciated or sad that more people hadn't listened to their message. They wrote poems, songs, stories and factual accounts about God. All this is true.

If YOU believe it's true, but that some Bibles, even containing all this truth, are nevertheless corrupt, then that's up to you. Although it would still be appreciated if you could explain why God would allow corrupt versions of his word to exist, and what difference it makes if a Bible differs slightly from another in details, when they both agree on the Gospel and all these other truths.

robycop3 · Sep 17, 2014

Mr. Kinney, you've never been able to answer any of these charges against the KJVO myth:

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The Origin of the Current KJVO myth
By robycop3

Ever wonder where KJVO-the false doctrine that the KJV is the only valid English Bible translation out there- came from? Here's the skinny:

In 1930, a 7th Day Adventist official, Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson(1872-1968), published a book he named "Our Authorized Bible Vindicated" in response to a squabble within the SDA cult. This book is a collection of snippets in favor of the KJV being the ONLY valid English translation God's holy word, and is full of goofs, such as the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie". Apparently, Wilkinson didn't bother to check 0ut the VERACITY of any of the info he gathered. And he copied PARTS of Dean John Burgon's writings, omitting anything that was critical of the Textus Receptus.

He obtained a Scottish copyright for this book, which he apparently allowed to lapse many years ago, as interest in his book was mostly limited to the SDA cult, and for only a short time.

There's no doubt that SDA is a pseudo/quasi-Christian cult, and that Dr. W was a full-fledged SDA official, teacher, and preacher, who often argued for the inerrancy of Ellen Gould White's writings, placing them on a par with Scripture. Several SDA buildings and libraries are named after him.

In 1955, someone called J. J. Ray of Eugene, OR discovered that book, and wrote his/her own book, "God Wrote Only One Bible". Ray copied much of Dr. W's book verbatim in GWOOB without acknowledging him whatsoever, copying many of the goofs in Dr. W's book. Whether Ray obtained Dr. W's permission to use his book, or simply plagiarized it is unknown, but at any rate, Ray used the power of modern media to publicize his/her book, thus starting the idea of KJVO among some of the general public.

Now, try Googling "J. J. Ray" in the Eugene, OR. area. The only one I've found whose lifetime fit the 1955 timeline was a used-car salesman, now deceased, who apparently never published any book. Ray's company, Eye-Opener Publishers, only published that one book. Apparently, "J. J. Ray" is a pseudonym. Now, why would any REAL MAN(or woman) OF GOD use a pseudonym? Apparently, "Ray" was concerned that Dr. W might speak out about his plagiarism.

Then, in 1970, Dr. D. O. Fuller, a Baptist pastor, published "Which Bible?"(3rd revision, 1972), a book which copied much from both Ray and Wilkinson, including many of the original goofs. Like W and Ray before him, he didn't bother to check out the VERACITY of the material he published. And, while he at least acknowledged W, he made absolutely NO mention of W's CULT AFFILIATION. It was this book which brought the public's attention, especially in Baptist circles, to the other two boox, and to KJVO in general. Soon, a whole genre was developed of KJVO boox, all of which drew a large portion of their material from those first three boox.

Now, while Ray's plagiarism and Fuller's deliberate omission of W's CULT AFFILIATION might've been legal, it was certainly DISHONEST, not something any devout Christian would do!

Now, I have not forgotten Dr. Peter S. Ruckman's 1964 works, "Manuscript Evidence" and "Bible Babel". These goof-filled worx was derived largely from Wilkinson's and Ray's books, repeating many of their booboos, such as the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie". and copying an erroneous chart from Ray's book. Ruckman referred to the title of Ray's book as "God Only Wrote One Book", which hints at the inaccuracy of Ruckman's work. However, Ruckman's works was not among the "foundation stones" of the KJVO myth, as were Ray's and Fuller's boox, both derived from Wilkinson's book.

Virtually every current KJVO author, from Riplinger to Bynum to Melton to Grady to whomever, uses material from those first three boox in their own work, often re-worded, but still the same garbage in a different dumpster. About the only newer material in any of these boox is their criticism of newer Bible versions as they came out. We see a pattern of DISHONESTY in KJVO authorship, as many of its authors copy from each other without any acknowledgement, all of them drawing from a KNOWN CULT OFFICIAL'S book! HOW CAN ANY CHRISTIAN, SEEING ALL THIS DISHONESTY AND ATTEMPTS TO CONCEAL OR JUSTIFY IT, BELIEVE KJVO IS FROM GOD?

These facts are easily verified, either on the Internet or in most public libraries. Unlike KJVOs, we Freedom Readers deal in VERIFIABLE FACT, not fishing stories, opinion, and guesswork. All the boox I mentioned are available online legally, in public libraries, many religious bookstores, or are for sale at various web sites of many religious book stores.

Thus, you see why I, and many other Christians who try to serve God in all aspects of life, are so vehemently against the KJVO myth! It's Satanic in origin, definitely NOT FROM GOD!

I challenge any KJVO to show us any book written before 1930 that is largely about KJVO, and which can be traced to having started the current KJVO doctrine.

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Now, in addition to this, there's the FACT that the KJVO myth has absolutely NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT, even in the KJV itself. But Mr. Kinney is too full of his own agenda to give any heed to these FACTS.

TRUTH is, the KJV is one of MANY valid English Bible translations, and the KJVO myth, or any other attempt to exalt any one English bible translation as the ONLY "official" translation is an attempt to LIMIT GOD. He can present His word to man any way HE jolly well chooses!

brandplucked · Sep 18, 2014

robycop3 said:
Mr. Kinney, you've never been able to answer any of these charges against the KJVO myth:
I challenge any KJVO to show us any book written before 1930 that is largely about KJVO, and which can be traced to having started the current KJVO doctrine.

Taken from the Association of Baptists 25th meeting 1830

We the church of Jesus Christ being regularly baptised upon the profession of our faith in Christ are convinced the concessive of associate churches. WE BELIEVE THAT THE SCRIPTURES OF THE OLD AND THE NEW TESTAMENTS AS TRANSLATED BY THE AUTHORITY OF KING JAMES TO BE THE WORDS OF GOD AND IS THE ONLY TRUE RULE OF FAITH AND PRACTICE.

1857: The general excellence of the English Version being admitted, ITS PERFECTION ASSUMED, AND THEREFORE ALL PRECEDING AND SUBSEQUENT VERSIONS MUST BE UNWORTHY OF NOTICE; nay, even the original text need not be consulted... (Thomas Kingsmill Abbott, The English Bible, and Our Duty with Regard to It, 1857; 1871).

1882: I unhesitatingly say, that the same Holy Ghost who gave inspiration to the Apostles to write out the New Testament, presided over and inspired those men in the translation and bringing out of the entire Bible in the English language. And I also say, that no version since, brought out in the English language, has the Divine sanction...Now, why would God cause at this age and in these trying times, versions in the same language to be brought out, to conflict...?...He would not...I FURTHERMORE SAY, THAT THE KING JAMES' TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE IS THE ONLY DIVINELY INSPIRED... (William Washington Simkins, The English Version of the New Testament, Compared with King James' Translation, 1882).

1890: The Supreme Court said, the practice of reading THE KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE, COMMONLY AND ONLY RECEIVED AS INSPIRED AND TRUE by the Protestant religious sects (Decision of the Supreme Court of the State of Wisconsin Relating to the Reading of the Bible in Public Schools, 1890).

1897: "A hundred years ago the Authorized Version, which had been in our fathers hands for nearly two hundred years, was no longer a version. It had come to have all the significance of an original book. Outside the pulpit and the university no one dreamed that it was translated from another language...When our fathers, and they did, stoutly maintained the doctrine of verbal inspiration, the inspired words they really had in mind were not Hebrew or Greek, but English words; the words of that version which Selden called the best translation in the world, and of which the late Master of Balliol once remarked...IN A CERTAIN SENSE, THE AUTHORIZED VERSION IS MORE INSPIRED THAN THE ORIGINAL...(Minutes of the Annual Meeting, General Association of the Congregational Churches of Massachusetts, 1897.)

In 1882 author William W. Simkins wrote, I unhesitatingly say, that the same Holy Ghost who gave inspiration to the Apostles to write out the New Testament, presided over and inspired those men in the translation and bringing out of the entire [KJV] Bible in the English language. And I also say, that NO VERSION SINCE, BROUGHT OUT IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, HAS THE DIVINE...Now, why would God cause at this age and in these trying times, versions in the same language to be brought out, to conflict...?...He would not....I FURTHERMORE SAY, THAT THE KING JAMES TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE IS THE ONLY DIVINELY INSPIRED TRANSLATION" (The English Version of the New Testament, Compared with King James' Translation, W.W. Simkins, pp. 41,42)

(more to come)

brandplucked · Sep 18, 2014

The General Baptists of England published the "Orthodox Creed" In 1678. It says, "And by the holy Scriptures we understand the canonical books of the Old and New Testament, AS THEY ARE NOW TRANSLATED INTO OUR ENGLISH MOTHER TONGUE, of which there hath NEVER been any doubt of their verity, and authority, in the protestant churches of Christ to this day." They then list the books of the Old and New Testament and then say, "All which are given by the inspiration of God, to be the Rule of faith and life." What Bible do you suppose these people were using in 1678? It was English and there can be little doubt that what they are talking about the Authorized Version of 1611.

1945: President Harry S. Truman said, THE KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE IS THE BEST THERE IS OR EVER HAS BEEN OR WILL BE, and you get a bunch of college professors spending years working on it, and all they do is take the poetry out of it.
(President Harry S. Truman, quoted in, Merle Miller, Plain Speaking: An Oral Biography of Harry S. Truman, 1985)

1946: When a Bible teacher refers to the original languages of the Bible, there is a danger of giving a wrong impression about the authority and true value of the standard King James Version. Too many are ready to say that they have a better rendering [saying, 'that word means'], and often in such a way as to give an impression that the King James Version is faulty, or that other versions are much better. WE BELIEVE THAT GOD OVERRULED HIS GIFT OF THE KING JAMES VERSION OF 1611, SO THAT IN IT WE HAVE THE VERY WORD OF GOD." (Le Baron Wilmont Kinney, Acres of Rubies, Loizeaux, 1946)

1977 Ronald Reagan speaking about the King James Bible -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08_KByUwH6c

The following transcript is one of Ronald Reagan's famous radio addresses. In this address (which aired September 6, 1977) - "What would you say if someone decided Shakespeare's plays, Charles Dicken's novels, or the music of Beethoven could be rewritten & improved? Writing in the journal "The Alternative", Richard Hanser, author of The Law & the Prophets and Jesus: What Manner of Man Is This?, has called attention to something that is more than a little mind boggling. It is my understanding that the Bible (both the Old & New Testaments) has been the best selling book in the entire history of printing.

Now another attempt has been made to improve it. I say another because there have been several fairly recent efforts to quote "make the Bible more readable and understandable" unquote. But as Mr. Hanser so eloquently says, "For more than 3 1/2 centuries, its language and its images, have penetrated more deeply into the general culture of the English speaking world, and been more dearly treasured, than anything else ever put on paper." He then quotes the irreverent H. L. Mencken, who spoke of it as purely a literary work and said it was, "probably the most beautiful piece of writing in any language."

They were, of course, speaking of The Authorized Version, the one that came into being when the England of King James was scoured for translators & scholars. It was a time when the English language had reached it's peak of richness & beauty.

Now we are to have The Good News Bible which will be in, "the natural English of everyday adult conversation." I'm sure the scholars and clergymen supervised by the American Bible Society were sincerely imbued with the thought that they were taking religion to the people with their Good News Bible, but I can't help feeling we should instead be taking the people to religion and lifting them with the beauty of language that has outlived the centuries.

The sponsors of the Good News version boast that their Bible is as readable as the daily paper and so it is. But do readers of the daily news find themselves moved to wonder, "at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth"? Mr. Hanser suggests that sadly the "tinkering & general horsing around with the sacred texts will no doubt continue" as pious drudges try to get it right. "It will not dawn on them that it has already been gotten right."

This is Ronald Reagan. Thanks for listening. aired September 6, 1977

robycop3 · Sep 19, 2014

Well, actually, BP, I have a number of infallible English Bible translations, including your KJV. Every one tells how one is saved thru the grace(unmerited favor) of JESUS CHRIST, and tells how one receives His grace.

And, if you'd dug a little deeper, you'da found a few KJVOs who lived before 1830. There've been KJVOs since the KJV was made, just as there were Geneva Bible Onlyists before 1611 and for a while afterwards.

But the CURRENT KJVO myth is based upon Dr. Wilkinson's book, as i pointed out, and virtually all KJVO authors draw from that book, either directly or indirectly.

Now, you have **NEVER** provided any SCRIPTURE supporting the KJVO myth, and that includes the false "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie", which is taken straight from Dr. W's book.

Again, given the KJVO myth's cultic, dishonest, man-made origin, we can only conclude it's false and phony as a Ford Corvette. The KJV is NOT perfect. It has goofs & booboos in it, such as "Easter" in Acts 12:4 & "the love of money is THE root of ALL evil" in 1 Tim. 6:10.

Strong in Him · Sep 19, 2014

brandplucked said:
The General Baptists of England published the "Orthodox Creed" In 1678. It says, "And by the holy Scriptures we understand the canonical books of the Old and New Testament, AS THEY ARE NOW TRANSLATED INTO OUR ENGLISH MOTHER TONGUE, of which there hath NEVER been any doubt of their verity, and authority, in the protestant churches of Christ to this day." They then list the books of the Old and New Testament and then say, "All which are given by the inspiration of God, to be the Rule of faith and life." What Bible do you suppose these people were using in 1678? It was English and there can be little doubt that what they are talking about the Authorized Version of 1611.

Maybe they were. But we've had the King James Bible for ONLY 400 years, and it wasn't the first English Bible. The church is 2000 years old and the canon of Scripture was finalised in around 1325. There were many Bibles around before the KJV came on the scene.

kiwimac · Sep 19, 2014

Canon was fixed in the 300sCE not the 1300s but other than that I agree.

Strong in Him · Sep 19, 2014

kiwimac said:
Canon was fixed in the 300sCE not the 1300s but other than that I agree.

Ooops!

That's what I meant - thank you.

Must learn to read one day.

robycop3 · Sep 28, 2014

Now, if one takes time to check out Brandplucked's Bible version comparisons, one will find that in many cases, some other version(s) have MORE-CORRECT renderings than the KJV does. But of course, BP won't admit to that fact.

Now, please note, readers, that BP has nothing to say about the cultic, dishonest origin of the current KJVO myth. On his site, he has an article called "Scriptural support for KJVO", which is utterly lacking in such Scriptural support.

OTOH, we Freedom readers do NOT try to LIMIT GOD. We believe He is omnipotent, and can present His word to man any way HE chooses, in any language or language style HE chooses. KJVOs seekta try to limit Him in how He can present His word. For shame!

Targaryen · Sep 28, 2014

robycop3 said:
Now, if one takes time to check out Brandplucked's Bible version comparisons, one will find that in many cases, some other version(s) have MORE-CORRECT renderings than the KJV does. But of course, BP won't admit to that fact.

Now, please note, readers, that BP has nothing to say about the cultic, dishonest origin of the current KJVO myth. On his site, he has an article called "Scriptural support for KJVO", which is utterly lacking in such Scriptural support.

OTOH, we Freedom readers do NOT try to LIMIT GOD. We believe He is omnipotent, and can present His word to man any way HE chooses, in any language or language style HE chooses. KJVOs seekta try to limit Him in how He can present His word. For shame!

He can't support it....heck the Anglican church, which actually did the work of the AV doesn't consider the KJV the ONLY translation of the Word of God. I tend to see KJVO's as putting King James in place of God....which is fraught with all kinds of error.

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