don't impose sanctions on israel because israel isn't a war criminal.

Armoured · Aug 14, 2014

Panzerkampfwagen said:
How about simply not voting for Hamas in an election.

Hmm...

In favour of... who? What's their viable alternative?

Brigid48 · Aug 14, 2014

Armoured said:
In favour of... who? What's their viable alternative?

Indeed, Israel's policies have left more moderate Palestinian groups with little to no traction.

Brigid48 · Aug 14, 2014

MachZer0 said:
If they can't stand up for themselves, then they need to evacuate. Trouble is that they are being told by their own people to stay and sacrifice themselves

Many have evacuated. Israel has repeatedly bombed shelters and refugee areas where they evacuated to.

MachZer0 · Aug 14, 2014

Oafman said:
That point will come when they achieve self-determination. It will NEVER be the result of violence, no matter how many bombs are dropped on them.

All the more reason for them to stop attacking Israel, stop calling for their destruction and determine to live at peace with them

Oafman · Aug 14, 2014

MachZer0 said:
All the more reason for them to stop attacking Israel, stop calling for their destruction and determine to live at peace with them

Your myopia ought to shock me, but I've been around these boards too long.

My Grandpa once told me there were two sides to every story. Didn't your Grandpa ever tell you something similar?

MachZer0 · Aug 14, 2014

Oafman said:
Your myopia ought to shock me, but I've been around these boards too long.

My Grandpa once told me there were two sides to every story. Didn't your Grandpa ever tell you something similar?

My grandpas never taught me anything. But my parents taught me right from wrong, and firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is wrong. Sneaking across a border in a tunnel, kidnapping three youths and murdering them is wrong, agreeing to a cease fire and then violating it is wrong. Telling your women and children to stay in a building that you know is going to be bombed is wrong. Calling openly for the destruction of an entire people is wrong. :wave:

Oafman · Aug 14, 2014

MachZer0 said:
My grandpas never taught me anything. But my parents taught me right from wrong, and firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is wrong. Sneaking across a border in a tunnel, kidnapping three youths and murdering them is wrong, agreeing to a cease fire and then violating it is wrong. Telling your women and children to stay in a building that you know is going to be bombed is wrong. Calling openly for the destruction of an entire people is wrong.

Did they run out of time before getting to false imprisonment?

Oafman · Aug 14, 2014

MachZer0 said:
Sneaking across a border in a tunnel, kidnapping three youths and murdering them is wrong

While we're here, those 3 youths were kidnapped in the West Bank. No tunnels were involved.

MachZer0 · Aug 14, 2014

Oafman said:
Did they run out of time before getting to false imprisonment?

MachZer0 · Aug 14, 2014

Oafman said:
While we're here, those 3 youths were kidnapped in the West Bank. No tunnels were involved.

Let's not play semantics

SolomonVII · Aug 14, 2014

Building tunnels under the border of another country is encroachment, and is in and of itself an act of war.
No country with any self respect whatsoeve would tolerate such acts of aggression.

Oafman · Aug 14, 2014

SolomonVII said:
Building tunnels under the border of another country is encroachment, and is in and of itself an act of war.
No country with any self respect whatsoeve would tolerate such acts of aggression.

Nor would such a country tolerate being besieged. Let's keep some balance in this thread, both sides are guilty of aggression and disproportionate response.

GarfieldJL · Aug 14, 2014

Oafman said:
Nor would such a country tolerate being besieged. Let's keep some balance in this thread, both sides are guilty of aggression and disproportionate response.

I'm getting fed up with the moral relativism garbage.

Hamas likes to use Palestinian children as human shields. Israel does not use children as human shields.

So, the only side that should be condemned is Hamas. Your arguments are currently encouraging Hamas to use more children as human shields.

Arcangl86 · Aug 14, 2014

GarfieldJL said:
I'm getting fed up with the moral relativism garbage.

Hamas likes to use Palestinian children as human shields. Israel does not use children as human shields.

So, the only side that should be condemned is Hamas. Your arguments are currently encouraging Hamas to use more children as human shields.

Israel might not use human shields but they don't seem to hesitate in killing those said human shields.

GarfieldJL · Aug 14, 2014

Arcangl86 said:
Israel might not use human shields but they don't seem to hesitate in killing those said human shields.

And what should they do instead? Let Hamas continue firing rockets into Israel from that location... Sooner or later those rockets will get through the Iron Dome, whether by overwhelming it or they run out of Missiles.

Look I would love for Israel to have working Transporters like out of Star Trek to beam people out of there, but they don't.

MachZer0 · Aug 14, 2014

SolomonVII said:
Building tunnels under the border of another country is encroachment, and is in and of itself an act of war.
No country with any self respect whatsoeve would tolerate such acts of aggression.

A major thrust of the Israelis has been to destroy the tunnels and secure the border. Easy to see why Obama would oppose that (securing the borders)

MachZer0 · Aug 14, 2014

Oafman said:
Nor would such a country tolerate being besieged. Let's keep some balance in this thread, both sides are guilty of aggression and disproportionate response.

There is no country besieged by Israel :wave:

Targaryen · Aug 14, 2014

Sanctions don't go far enough. Forced restitution to the Palestinian people is also needed. And Netenyahu's resignation.

MachZer0 · Aug 14, 2014

LiberalAnglicanCatholic said:
Sanctions don't go far enough. Forced restitution to the Palestinian people is also needed. And Netenyahu's resignation.

Any restitution should come from other Arab peoples who put them where there are in the first place :wave:

Sasquatchit · Aug 14, 2014

gattaca said:
israel isn't a war criminal. and

israel is never ever wrong.

I would like to say something about this remark, but I will instead bite my lip.

don't impose sanctions on israel because israel isn't a war criminal.

don't impose sanctions on israel because israel isn't a war criminal.

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