BREAKING NEWS:Hobby Lobby birth control case! Court sides with the company!

Forest Wolf · Jun 30, 2014

Maybe an attorney would know the answer to this. How can the supreme court validate religious discrimination and make it legal in this case?

GoldenBoy89 · Jun 30, 2014

MachZer0 said:
On what grounds would they object to those?

They have no reason to deny their employees access to their private healthcare matters just like when it comes to birth control for women. Hobby Lobby has no ground to stand on. That's the whole point here.

Forest Wolf · Jun 30, 2014

The supreme court said differently. Now what? Seriously! As a woman I would love to know what my options are if my employer happens to think their religion outweighs my insurance rights.

topcare · Jun 30, 2014

Pay for it yourself, is it that important to get medicine that will murder a child that a women carries

MachZer0 · Jun 30, 2014

GoldenBoy89 said:
They have no reason to deny their employees access to their private healthcare matters just like when it comes to birth control for women.

They aren't doing that. They just aren't paying for certain medicines

Hobby Lobby has no ground to stand on. That's the whole point here.

You must have missed that whole Supre Court decision thing this morning :doh:

MachZer0 · Jun 30, 2014

JustOneWay said:
There can be a good argument that Viagra will promote new life, whereas successful birth control always stifles new life. It is easy to see why there is no conflict in this case.

I don't see a good argument for vasectomy.

A better argument would be that Viagra treats an actual medical condition :wave:

Forest Wolf · Jun 30, 2014

topcare said:
Pay for it yourself, is it that important to get medicine that will murder a child that a women carries

You really don't know the facts of this case. Abortifacients weren't part of the medication approved by the FDA for inclusion in ACA.

All things being equal in this decision, a Dianic Witch could refuse to cover the condoms and Viagra that her male employees would want to have access to.

JustOneWay · Jun 30, 2014

MachZer0 said:
A better argument would be that Viagra treats an actual medical condition

pregnancy is also a medical condition

birth control prevents that medical condition

My argument is better

it is about not holding back life

Vylo · Jun 30, 2014

An interesting scenario could unfold from this.

The court ruled that hobby lobby doesn't have to pay for the contraception because it violates their religious beliefs. The employees don't have to pay either, a third party insurer does, and the government can be asked to subsidize this.

Now if this precedent gets lent to someone whose religion is against all modern medicine, the third party insurer would have to pay all the benefits, and can ask the government for subsidies, which would have to be provided lest every insurer in the country go bankrupt in weeks.

That would mean the government is paying all the medical bills, which they would pay for through taxes.

Welcome to government healthcare.

Faithfulandtrue · Jun 30, 2014

Good for hobby lobby! I'm proud of them for standing up for what's right and not paying for something they don't believe in. Now I wish the government in California would stop using tax payer money for abortion.

Vylo · Jun 30, 2014

Faithfulandtrue said:
Good for hobby lobby! I'm proud of them for standing up for what's right and not paying for something they don't believe in. Now I wish the government in California would stop using tax payer money for abortion.

I am interested, is there anywhere the bible condemns abortion? I've only seen it being advocated for a particular instance in the old testament.

Forest Wolf · Jun 30, 2014

Would that be the Christian Scientists that don't believe in modern medicine?
If that is the case they wouldn't have need of health care coverage in the first place. Nor would any faith that doesn't believe in modern medicine.

Vylo said:
An interesting scenario could unfold from this.

The court ruled that hobby lobby doesn't have to pay for the contraception because it violates their religious beliefs. The employees don't have to pay either, a third party insurer does, and the government can be asked to subsidize this.

Now if this precedent gets lent to someone whose religion is against all modern medicine, the third party insurer would have to pay all the benefits, and can ask the government for subsidies, which would have to be provided lest every insurer in the country go bankrupt in weeks.

That would mean the government is paying all the medical bills, which they would pay for through taxes.

Welcome to government healthcare.

JustOneWay · Jun 30, 2014

Vylo said:
I am interested, is there anywhere the bible condemns abortion? I've only seen it being advocated for a particular instance in the old testament.

Real simple. For this all one needs to do is look to the Sixth Commandment.

GarfieldJL · Jun 30, 2014

MachZer0 said:
A better argument would be that Viagra treats an actual medical condition

Viagra is used to treat pulmonary arterial hypertension the other thing that people associate with Viagra was actually an unforseen side-effect.

GoldenBoy89 · Jun 30, 2014

JustOneWay said:
Real simple. For this all one needs to do is look to the Sixth Commandment.

Do wars count too? Or is that totally different?

MachZer0 · Jun 30, 2014

JustOneWay said:
pregnancy is also a medical condition

birth control prevents that medical condition

My argument is better

it is about not holding back life

I said Viagra TREATS a medical condition, not prevents. moreover it treats a disease of which pregnancy is not :wave:

Vylo · Jun 30, 2014

JustOneWay said:
Real simple. For this all one needs to do is look to the Sixth Commandment.

So then no?

JustOneWay · Jun 30, 2014

Vylo said:
So then no?

You have been here how long? You still don't realize that those who advocate against abortion do so because they believe that life starts at conception, and that Christians are told that Thou shall not kill?

JustOneWay · Jun 30, 2014

MachZer0 said:
I said Viagra TREATS a medical condition, not prevents. moreover it treats a disease of which pregnancy is not

I said birth control prevents a medical condition

I think you missed reading what I said.

Vylo · Jun 30, 2014

JustOneWay said:
You have been here how long? You still don't realize that those who advocate against abortion do so because they believe that life starts at conception, and that Christians are told that Thou shall not kill?

Murder, not kill. Killing is allowed. Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being.

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