Will God forgive Satan?

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Love and obedience from creatures incapable of anything else is worthless. It is by definition no longer love, nor obedience.

Love and obedience only have validity within the parameters of free will.
The only way this might be true is if by "incapable of anything else" you mean in the sense of being programmed only to do so like a machine.

Love and obedience from a perfect spirit/soul is a natural thing. True=perfect. To be wholly true is to be perfect. A wholly true human being free from the stain that darkens him--creating a natural enmity toward spiritual goods--would naturally choose only love and obedience toward God. Doesn't have anything to do with violating free will. Has to do with being cleansed from that which hinders one to naturally seek all goods, especially the greatest good, God.

The propriety and "power" of free will as it's popularly held is largely illusory and this belief itself is largely a product of the stained soul.
 
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I believe that if Satan sincerely repented of his sins and asked God for forgiveness, God would most definitely forgive him. God is the embodiment of love. So it is in God's nature to be patient and to forgive others of their faux pas.

Nevertheless, it is also part of God's nature to be fair and just. So if you sin, you must first repent in order to be forgiven. God must see your willingness to turn away from your sin. Many Christians wrongly believe that they can deliberately sin as much as they want without repenting or turning away from their sins, and God will forgive them anyway. This is wrong on many levels.

According to the Bible, Satan will not be forgiven of his sins and will be punished as a result. You may now be thinking: "Why is that? I thought that God forgives all sins, no matter who commits them." Yes. God does indeed forgive all sins, IF the offender repents. But will Satan ever repent? The answer is no. The Bible makes it very clear that Satan's heart is so hardened that the thought of repenting will never even cross his mind.
 
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I believe that if Satan sincerely repented of his sins and asked God for forgiveness, God would most definitely forgive him. God is the embodiment of love. So it is in God's nature to be patient and to forgive others of their faux pas.

Nevertheless, it is also part of God's nature to be fair and just. So if you sin, you must first repent in order to be forgiven. God must see your willingness to turn away from your sin. Many Christians wrongly believe that they can deliberately sin as much as they want without repenting or turning away from their sins, and God will forgive them anyway. This is wrong on many levels.

According to the Bible, Satan will not be forgiven of his sins and will be punished as a result. You may now be thinking: "Why is that? I thought that God forgives all sins, no matter who commits them." Yes. God does indeed forgive all sins, IF the offender repents. But will Satan ever repent? The answer is no. The Bible makes it very clear that Satan's heart is so hardened that the thought of repenting will never even cross his mind.


Your reasoning sounds a great deal like repentance buys forgiveness. It does not. God is under no obligation to forgive based on the premise of repentance. His forgiveness was bought and paid for by Christ's sacrifice alone. We cannot buy forgiveness with our repentance.

The necessity of repentance is that it is the direct result of faith in who God is, what He says, and what He has done for us.

Scripture speaks of faith THEN repentance. Not the other way around.

Even IF Satan did repent, it would serve him no good. Christ died for man, not angelic beings. Repentance would gain Satan nothing.
 
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Yet, in the book of Jonah, God forgive the wicked nation that repents.
God had said in His word that He will destroy the nation, but when the nation actually repents, God relents and changes His mind.
I believe it is the same with Lucifer.
If he truly repents, God will change His mind about the destruction He originally promised to give to Satan.
 
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Yet, in the book of Jonah, God forgive the wicked nation that repents.
God had said in His word that He will destroy the nation, but when the nation actually repents, God relents and changes His mind.
I believe it is the same with Lucifer.
If he truly repents, God will change His mind about the destruction He originally promised to give to Satan.


With that logic you render the crucifixion worthless. For if all that is required is repentance, then Christ died in vain.

Whatever we THINK God does and will do must be drawn to its full conclusion to verify it's validity. If the conclusion of a thought or idea conflicts with the expressed teaching of Scripture, then the thought is invalidated.
 
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The thing you have to understand about the Devil is that he is not quite like us, you see, we all have "crosses", burdens to bear that give our life purpose and meaning. The Devil has no such cross, God has not nor is going to give him one. That means life for the Devil is essentially senseless and meaningless.

As such the Devil hates God and God is more than willing to let him hate Him. So, while it may be true that God has forgiveness for the failings of the Devil, actually, the Devil will not regard that forgiveness as meaning anything. That makes the Devil dangerous. Although he is capable of doing the will of God, if it means he can get something out of it, he never gets something out of it for long.

So look, don't be dismayed thinking "God is going to waste His forgiveness on the Devil" or "the Devil is going to take revenge on God", just know that God knows these things and is not phased. He still desires us to take up our crosses and do good, that at the end of the Day everyone may receive his just reward. The Devil will be in Hell, but if you never knew the meaning of life in the first place, you don't really suffer, not like other people in Hell who knew the meaning of life but still chose to take advantage of the fact that the Devil didn't.

That's the way the cookie crumbles...
 
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Since the devil is never going to seriously ask for forgiveness am not sure why God should grant it. That would be called a pardon, not forgiveness. And BTW I think the traditional view is that the judgement for the rebellion of angels (as opposed to that of mankind) was an instantaneous one - those rebelling were cast out. So all that remains for them is a final judgement (along with the final judgement of the damned among mankind) where they are all forever isolated from the rest of creation.
 
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God created us with free wills.
That means that at any point in history, Satan can choose to repent.
So my question is, if supposed today, Satan chose to repent, will God forgive him?

Personally, I believe God will forgive Satan. What about you?

Satan is beyond the point of repentance and forgiveness.

In 1 John 5 we are told that some humans have also put themselves in that same boat.

in Christ,

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God created us with free wills.
That means that at any point in history, Satan can choose to repent.
So my question is, if supposed today, Satan chose to repent, will God forgive him?

Personally, I believe God will forgive Satan. What about you?

There's nothing to forgive, as hasatan was/is merely following God's orders and working within the limits and scope that God defined as hasatan's role. He can't do anything without God's permission.

The bible verses that you read in English are not as accurate as the original Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. Combine that with some "theology" based on fictional works like Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno, and you get this mess we have today. People often confuse mythology and tradition for biblical teachings.

The God that I believe in is the all powerful creator of all. That includes hasatan and everything he does. If hasatan was truly this arch enemy of God, all He would have to do is snap His divine fingers and uncreate him.
 
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God created us with free wills.
That means that at any point in history, Satan can choose to repent.
So my question is, if supposed today, Satan chose to repent, will God forgive him?

Personally, I believe God will forgive Satan. What about you?


My theory is that the fallen angel named Azazel will be the metaphorical General Abner of the fallen angelic kingdom who will repent and turn to the Ancient of Days first….. divide the kingdom of Satan… and cause it to fall???!!!


http://www.christianforums.com/t7647325/

Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!

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"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel."(Leviticus 16:10 RSV)

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In a nutshell I have came to strongly suspect that Azazel is the fallen angel who will be somewhat like General Abner who brought the ten tribes over to King David or to Rav Shaul/Paul who repented of persecuting Christians and followers of God.

I suspect that when the fallen angel Azazel returns to the God of Abraham with his whole heart...when Yom Kippur is completely fulfilled....then a major step will have been taken toward the ushering in of a truly new era of worldwide peace where even the eating habits of wild animals like lions will be altered!


"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
(Matthew 12)
 
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God created us with free wills.
That means that at any point in history, Satan can choose to repent.
So my question is, if supposed today, Satan chose to repent, will God forgive him?

Personally, I believe God will forgive Satan. What about you?

No.

It is not the words that count, since everyone that actually goes to hell would happily say "God forgive me", so was that actually a free will choice on their part?
If you hold a gun to a person's head and say: "give me all your money", was it their "free will" choice to give you all their money?

A "free will" choice is made between likely alternatives or it is coersted. For humans we get to choose between humbly accepting God's charity or seeking the conceived pleasures of sin for a season.
 
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If God would not forgive a repentant Satan/Lucifer, why do you think he would forgive you? Whatever that reason is, why would it not also apply to Satan/Lucifer?

I agree.

But I do think it will be another fallen angel who will be the first one to deeply repent and begin the division of the kingdom of Satan so that it falls.

"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel."(Leviticus 16:10 RSV)
 
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There's nothing to forgive, as hasatan was/is merely following God's orders and working within the limits and scope that God defined as hasatan's role. He can't do anything without God's permission.

The bible verses that you read in English are not as accurate as the original Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. Combine that with some "theology" based on fictional works like Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno, and you get this mess we have today. People often confuse mythology and tradition for biblical teachings.

The God that I believe in is the all powerful creator of all. That includes hasatan and everything he does. If hasatan was truly this arch enemy of God, all He would have to do is snap His divine fingers and uncreate him.


The near death experience of Dr. Richard Eby adds some interesting details to the fall of Lucifer.



http://www.christianforums.com/t7715259/


NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.

I was impressed with the explanation given for the fall of Lucifer which would quite possibly fit with an earth that may well be 4.5 billion years old.

Apparently a lot happened between the original creation of the earth and the time when the repairing of the earth was made necessary due to an attempted coup d'etat by Lucifer and the angels who decided to follow him!!


near-death.com/forum/nde/000/91.html

Dr. Richard Eby:
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"Jesus, tell me about this wondrous music all about me. Who is the composer? How is it made? From whence does it come? It is gorgeous!"

I was not disappointed when he began his answer by again asking me:
"Didn't you read my book? Repeatedly it exhorts my children to praise me with music from strings, trumpets, timbrels and voices. It is and was the prime communication of worship and praise and thanksgiving. Since I am the Creator, I am the composer of heaven's music which you are hearing."

Music became the resulting harmony from all of our creations, both of matter and energy. All resonated in unison with us. The elementary form was of and from and in ourselves. I might explain it as a triad of sub-electronic energy particles with and around which We constructed everything in our universe. The wave-forms we called light; whereas the material-forms we called dust of the Earth and water and air. Out of these, and into these, we created animals and birds and fishes and vegetable life to support them. Over these we created a mankind to supervise them as our appointed custodians made in our special image to act for us on Earth!"

Jesus hesitated as I tried to capture the immensity of his explanations.

"You must understand, my son, that original creation mirrored the composition and perfection of Person-God. All creation vibrated in unison with us! There was total accord and harmony everywhere as the whole creation was resonating with and in God!

"Each separate thing or being thus carried out an appointed task in our scheme for the universe. A heaven-form of music resulted as even the stars sang in their appointed circuits. Here in paradise you are hearing these melodious vibrations directly upon your new mind, undistorted. On Earth you heard distorted sounds through the air waves. Throughout heaven the music flows from my throne, uninterrupted, undefiled, and peace-giving."

Jesus paused again.
"My book tells of the time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father's throne, assume his position as the most high God, and to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed "adversary' of the Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had been created the highest angel about the throne, one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with God's other creations. In my book we call this disharmony "sin', because it defies God's will that even the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament show his handiwork.

"But be of good cheer, my son. The Father has permitted me to overcome Satan's world system of sin, and to destroy the works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen time he will restore all creation as it once was, in him!" (Dr. Richard Eby, near-death.com)
 
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The near death experience of Dr. Richard Eby adds some interesting details to the fall of Lucifer.

Lucifer never fell, as Lucifer is not the name of any being. The Latin term lucifer simply means "morning star" (and its variations) and refers to the planet Venus, which can be seen at dawn.

The 1611 KJV erroneously used the term lucifer as a name (proper noun) with its capitalization of the L. Had it remained in lower case, it would have been ok to use in Isaiah 14:12 (metaphorically), and this issue would not exist today.

However, Isaiah 14:12 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the devil/satan. It is about a fallen king of Babylon (a human male). The entire chapter talks about how that king thought of himself as a god, placed himself above the heavens, and in death he fell (knocked off his high horse) just like every other mortal.

Think about this: why would an entire chapter, that is basically trash talking that fallen king, have this single, odd ball, random verse in the middle of the chapter that talks about the devil/satan (that Judaism does not even believe in), and then go right back into trash talking the fallen king in verse 13.

No...if you use Lucifer as a name for the devil, you do so erroneously. There is a reason why most modern translations outside of the KJV, have removed the term "lucifer" completely from that verse (go check for yourself). The 47 Church of England scholars that wrote the 1611 KJV made errors (or simply copied the works of Jerome, who also made errors).
 
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Lucifer never fell, as Lucifer is not the name of any being. The Latin term lucifer simply means "morning star" (and its variations) and refers to the planet Venus, which can be seen at dawn.

The 1611 KJV erroneously used the term lucifer as a name (proper noun) with its capitalization of the L. Had it remained in lower case, it would have been ok to use in Isaiah 14:12 (metaphorically), and this issue would not exist today.

However, Isaiah 14:12 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the devil/satan. It is about a fallen king of Babylon (a human male). The entire chapter talks about how that king thought of himself as a god, placed himself above the heavens, and in death he fell (knocked off his high horse) just like every other mortal.

Think about this: why would an entire chapter, that is basically trash talking that fallen king, have this single, odd ball, random verse in the middle of the chapter that talks about the devil/satan (that Judaism does not even believe in), and then go right back into trash talking the fallen king in verse 13.

No...if you use Lucifer as a name for the devil, you do so erroneously. There is a reason why most modern translations outside of the KJV, have removed the term "lucifer" completely from that verse (go check for yourself). The 47 Church of England scholars that wrote the 1611 KJV made errors (or simply copied the works of Jerome, who also made errors).
:amen: God cannot forgive something that does not exist.
 
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Lucifer never fell, as Lucifer is not the name of any being. The Latin term lucifer simply means "morning star" (and its variations) and refers to the planet Venus, which can be seen at dawn.

The 1611 KJV erroneously used the term lucifer as a name (proper noun) with its capitalization of the L. Had it remained in lower case, it would have been ok to use in Isaiah 14:12 (metaphorically), and this issue would not exist today.

However, Isaiah 14:12 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the devil/satan. It is about a fallen king of Babylon (a human male). The entire chapter talks about how that king thought of himself as a god, placed himself above the heavens, and in death he fell (knocked off his high horse) just like every other mortal.

Think about this: why would an entire chapter, that is basically trash talking that fallen king, have this single, odd ball, random verse in the middle of the chapter that talks about the devil/satan (that Judaism does not even believe in), and then go right back into trash talking the fallen king in verse 13.

No...if you use Lucifer as a name for the devil, you do so erroneously. There is a reason why most modern translations outside of the KJV, have removed the term "lucifer" completely from that verse (go check for yourself). The 47 Church of England scholars that wrote the 1611 KJV made errors (or simply copied the works of Jerome, who also made errors).

The name Jesus is not very accurate either .... .but tremendous healings have taken place when that name is pronounced..... although Cephas/ Peter, John/Yohannan, James/Yacob and the gang called Jesus... Yeshua or Yehoshua or something like that!

The Accuser of the Brethren... or simply the Accuser is perhaps an accurate translation..... or Adversary.

Perhaps because that fallen human king was influenced or nearly possessed by Lucifer by whatever name he could also perhaps be known.
 
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