Breaking 1844 made simple

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Written By Mark Wikander.





As a person who used to believe all of the SDA theology including 1844 as the beginning of the day of atonement and the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary. I write the following article for non-SDA historicists in order to deal with SDA's. SDA's make many assumptions about there theology, but namely they are never wrong, because they have a prophet. This assumption lock in any error they have and it must be dealt with before the SDA will even consider a different view. There are 2 ways to do this 1. Is to go directly after the prophet. This is only effective if a person is well studied in the History and Myth surrounding her. This is how I first had doubts. The Second is to go after the core teaching that She endorsed, if it is not true, then she is not true, because he endorsed it. That is what I will do here. A side note. the Prophet Ellen G. White, did not actually write any of the SDA doctrine, She came along and put her/God's endorsement of the teaching. In the SDA mind becausen Sister White, as she is called, endorsed a teaching while claiming to be in vision, the doctrine is automatically true and cannot change. It is with this in mind I will write about the 2300 days/1844 teaching and address the assumption held by SDA's in their interpretation of the passage. It is not intended to be an interpretation of the passage.
The SDA's assume that the 2300 day ends in 1844 and that God began to cleans the sanctuary on the anti-typicaly day of atonement on that day, for the following reasons
1. They assume a day-year principle in Daniel 8 & 9
2. They a connection Between 8&9
3. They assume a common start date for the prophecy between 8&9
4. They assume a universal application of the Day-year in all prophecy.
5, They assume all other methods are in harmony with day-year.
6. They Assume Daniel 9 is part of Daniel 8.
7. They assume because Ellen White Endorsed 1844 it is proof of her prophetic calling.
If you break these assumption the whole thing falls apart. In what follows is a breaking of those assumptions. We do not start in Daniel 8 with the 2300 days, as one would assume, but in Daniel 9, because Daniel 9, in the SDA Mind, is the foundation for making the leap and connection to Daniel 8. Break the foundation and the SDA cannot make the leap to Daniel 8. They have to look at each prophecy individually. Only after this has been done can an SDA question their theology.

Daniel 9 the proper understanding is as follows....
Daniel says at the beginning of chapter 9 that he understood by Jeremiah the Prophet that the temple would lay desolate for 70 years and then be rebuilt. It is after this understanding that the Angel of the Lord came to him to give him further understanding. So it should be a reasonable conclusion that we look at the information attributed to Jeremiah concerning the 70 years of desolation of the temple first.
The scriptures tell us in Jeremiah 25:10, 29:11 that the temple would lay desolate for 70 years, but it never tells us why, what caused the Lord to be angry with Israel? In 2nd Chronicles 36:21 scripture tells us exactly why, 70 years of Desolation, 1 year for each year the land did not have it rest. Did you catch that! The Chroniclers told us why. They violated the Sabbath-year rest in Leviticus 25:1-13, Leviticus 26:14-24. The land was supposed to rest once every 7 years; no work was to be done. But they did not obey this command; 70 times they neglected to give the land its rest. So God punished them by sending them to Babylon for 70 years, one for each year the land did not receive its rest.
Now let us do a simple calculation so that you can see how it applies to the second half of Daniel 9, 7 years (the time between Sabbath-year rests) times 70 (the number of times they violated the Sabbath rest = 490 the time period covered by the original time period given to observe the Sabbath-year rest, 7x70=490 years given to obey the Sabbath-year rest. Why is this important, because in the next part of the prophecy Daniel is given another 490 years as we shall see?
The next section the Angel comes to Daniel and says His prayer has been answered. He tells him the temple is going to be rebuilt and then messiah is going to come and then the desolator is going to come and desolate the temple. The prophecy starts with the temple being desolate and ends with the temple being desolate, what happens in between is what concerns us now.
The angel tells Daniel "70 Weeks of years, have been decreed for your people and the holy city" (vs. 24), this is only applying to the Jewish people and Jerusalem. He goes on to tell them that they have a job to do, to finish transgression, to make and end of sin, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting, to seal up the vision of the prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy" (vs. 24), then in vs. 25-27 he breaks down the time prophecy even further by showing a division of the prophetic weeks 7,62,1 respectively.
What concerns us is the term weeks and the term decreed. Weeks is a word in Hebrew for a grouping of seven, any grouping of seven, seven cars, seven people, seven animals. It is the same as the word dozen. Dozen mean a grouping of 12, 12 cars, 12 people, and 12 animals. In the context of the prophecy it means a grouping of seven years. A group of 7 years 70 times, the total which will be 490 years. Now we need to stop and take a look at that. Daniel had just understood that the prophecy concerning the desolation of Jerusalem was punishment for the 490 years or 70 times they failed to observe the Sabbath-year rest, now the angel comes and tell them they are going to get another 490 to obey God, and the prophecy will be broken down by weeks. That is the exact same time break down of the first part of the prophecy of the 70 year of the temples desolation. The conclusion is that they are talking about the same time thing. They are being reissued another set of Sabbath-years.
Now concerning the word decree or determined, depending upon which translation you use. The word mean "to cut" it comes from the same word family as words that are related to covenant or legal agreements. You see the concept of cutting in Genesis 15 when Abraham cuts up the animals and separates them making a path for God to walk through. What is happening here? Abraham is faltering in his faith and God comes to reassure him that He, God, can be trusted. God condescends and obligates himself to Abraham by making a covenant with Abraham saying in effect, if I don't keep my promise you can do to me what you did to the animals. This was a serious vow, God guaranteed to Abraham that he would keep his vow. This is the origin of the word to decree or determine, it come from cutting a covenant, it does not come from the idea of amputation, as in separating on part of something from another part of something. In the case of the prophecy it dose not mean to amputate or separate it from the 2300 day prophecy.
Now I must address one more issue that is has been raised, namely that the day-year and the Sabbath-year are the same thing and that they can be used interchangeably. This is an error. If this premise were true we could use the day-year principle and the Sabbath-year cycles as substitutes one for another and every prophecy would divide evenly by the number 7, 7 being the number of years need to reach the Sabbath-year, stated another way the number of years needed in a weeks of years. This is not the case in every case. The Day-year, Sabbath-year swap is not universal it applies is some cases but not in other cases. For example 490 years, 1260 years, divide evenly by 7, you get 70 Sabbath years, 180 Sabbath years respectively. The interchange works in these cases. How ever it does not work in the came of the 1290 year, 1335 years and 2300 days/years, divided them by 7 and you get 184.285 Sabbath years, 190.7142 Sabbath years and 328.5714 Sabbath years. If they were interchangeable you would have an exact division, this shows that the day-year and the Sabbath year are not used universally or interchangeably as some have claimed. Those who do so, do so out of ignorance or deception.

Another thing that must be addressed are the theams in Daniel 8 and Daniel 9 they are completely different. In Daniel 8 the prophecy starts with the temple existing then it is defiled and then it is restored. In Daniel 9 you start with the temple be desolate, the temple is restored and then it is desolated again. The passages cannot be linked because they do not cover the same events. Daniel 8 is about restoring the temple, Daniel 9 is about the temple being destroyed. SDA's ignore the context of the chapter and focus on the numbers ignoring what is actually happening in the chapter.

Which brings me to my final point the numbers. SDA assume a day year principle in Daniel 8 and in Daniel 9, when in fact the day year principle is not used in either passage. In Daniel 8 it is "evenings & mornings" a reference to Genesis 1 and the days of creation. 2300 year may be possible out of Daniel 8 but you arrive at by the yearly day of atonement, it would be 2300 days of atonement. This is independent of Daniel 9 which use the Sabbath Year principle in Lev. 25:1-7, which is the basis of the Babylonian captivity of Israel. The 2 passages are not connected based on prophetic number or events. This is how you deal with the SDA mind and how you Break 1844.


P.S. I do not believe that the SDA's are wrong on every part of the prophecy or their teaching, the 1844 and EGW are a problem. If SDA's could officially change this teaching it is my belief that they would grow exponentially as a Church. They have much to offer, but the Stink of Ellen G, White and the 1844 error permeate their teaching, spoiling the whole thing.
 
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Nice article you shared.

I think the main problem with SDA theology is they have no resolution in their "telos" (Greek -- means ultimate end or fulfillment of things) which seamlessly unites eschatology and soteriology into something coherent that removes the illusion of contradiction between them.

Of course this isn't just a problem with SDA theology, but with most Christian theology out there in all the other churches as well.
 
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I agree that the sabbatical years method makes much more sense of the passage than a general day/year scheme.

Moreover, there are a few times, if they are honest about it, that Adventists who hold to 1844 would have to admit that the year-day principle is not occurring even in known symbolic prophecy that references times/years, etc.

A couple of examples:

1. The first is the case of the king of Babylon.

Dan 4:16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.


Dan 4:23 And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;

Dan 4:33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.


7 times or years were to pass over Nebuchadnezzar. And without a doubt the dream of the king was symbolic prophecy. However, if we applied the year/day principle this would be a tremendously long time that the king would be acting like an animal, far beyond the years of the king's life, and even the empire of Babylon.

So clearly here we have 7 times meaning just that--7 times.


2. Another one is the 1000 years of Revelation. I have never heard an Adventist apply the year day principle there.

So if there are examples of symbolic prophecies containing time periods that do NOT apply the year-day principle, and there is a better scheme that makes more sense of the text in Daniel 9, you lose some support for the year-day principle, or at the very least are reduced to using it just when it is convenient for your position.
 
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6. They Assume Daniel 9 is part of Daniel 8.

Yes, they often hold that the vision of Daniel 8 was not finished.

However, that is not what the text says:

Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

The vision is given. It is true. It is to be shut up for many days. There is no indication at all that it is not finished.

At times those who hold that it was not finished make reference to the next verse:

Dan 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

Some by this indicate that Daniel was too overwhelmed for God to finish. Of course, God did finish with the vision which was why it was affirmed and he was to seal it up.

However, even more than that, God is certainly able to strengthen Daniel if He is not done speaking to him:

Dan 10:17 For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.
Dan 10:18 Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
Dan 10:19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.
 
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SDA's make many assumptions about there theology, but namely they are never wrong, because they have a prophet. This assumption lock in any error they have and it must be dealt with before the SDA will even consider a different view.

This is a pretty jaded view and incorrect as well in my experience. It's only the very old generation who accepts things because "the prophet" said so. My parents' generation got attacked with EGW quotes and misquotes so much they almost completely disregard her writings, and my generation is largly unaware of what she actually wrote and thus have few beliefs or opinions about her either way.

My view is that she was human, just like anyone else. I believe she was called by God for a purpose and God did powerful things through her... but He could have chosen anyone and would've still fulfilled His purposes. And because she was human, she was just as likely to grow and to make mistakes as anyone else. No where in her writings (at least as far as I have read) nor in offical SDA statements of belief does she or the Church claim she was inerrant.
 
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It is still the offical postion in the chruch, untill that changes and EGW is no longer an authority and we can rewrite the prophetic picture it is still a problem. In practice it is not emphasied, but in literature and in teaching.
 
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It is still the offical postion in the chruch, untill that changes and EGW is no longer an authority and we can rewrite the prophetic picture it is still a problem. In practice it is not emphasied, but in literature and in teaching.

In many rural areas it is definitely still emphasized, even among the youth.
 
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So the recent protestant ecumenism and the unification of pope Francis and the evangelical congregation under Kenneth Copeland does not fulfill prophesy given to sister White?
here statments are just a repeat of protestant theology and adventist views that were around when she made them. It is not original with her. In fact none of the doctrine are original with her. She only gave her "prophetic" seal to them. So if they were correct she will be correct, If they made errors, she will make errors. That is the problem with sister white and the sda postion. If we could take the prophetic seal off ellen white and reexamine the doctrine and fix the errors we could get the cult stigma off us.
 
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here statments are just a repeat of protestant theology and adventist views that were around when she made them. It is not original with her. In fact none of the doctrine are original with her. She only gave her "prophetic" seal to them. So if they were correct she will be correct, If they made errors, she will make errors. That is the problem with sister white and the sda postion. If we could take the prophetic seal off ellen white and reexamine the doctrine and fix the errors we could get the cult stigma off us.

If you could provide references or quotes from others of her time that predicted that protestantism and the papacy would reunite, that would be helpful.

Making broad sweeping statements without evidence may be impressive to some but proof of truth always wins the day....
 
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Where did the SDA doctrines come from did they come from EGW, divine authority or from Men.

1.1844 - William Miller
2. Sanctuary in Heaven = Hiram Edson, ORL Croiser
3. Sunday Law - Joseph Bates
4. Sabbath - Rachel Oakes
5. 2nd coming - Other Christian Denomination
6. State of the dead - Other Christian denomination
 
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What exactly is your point? Luther and others' inspired revelations created Protestantism... are you inferring that God doesn't work through men to reveal truth??

Back to my question... who else predicted in the 1800's that protestants would be returning to the mother church?
 
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The Claim people like you make is as follows.... EGW made the prediction that the Sunday Law would occur, We see events that are leading to the Sunday Law occurring, therefore EGW must be a prophet. This is false thinking, Just because EGW said something does not make her a prophet. If other are saying what she says before she says it then we must first ascribe the origin to them and the influence on her, rather then a prophecy or vision. When you do that EGW falls hard. Case in point the Great Controversy theme. the GC is the title of a book that was written in the 1850's called the Great Controversy: between God and man. EGW took the theme change the focus, used sources from her day and took credit for the ideas by claiming she received a vision from God. These visions are the problem. If her sources are wrong she is wrong. If She made a mistake or the humans made a mistake the error is locked. She adds NOTHING theologically that was not already in existence. In other words there was no vision given that added anything New to was already in existence. You tell me what did she add to the understanding of Prophecy that someone else did not come up with????
 
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If you could include even one or two quotes, that would be helpful.

I don't know of any true Adventist that thinks Ellen White came up with the SDA doctrine on her own... that's why we refer to these early leaders as pioneers. Many were given light through prayerful study... the Holy Spirit was upon the faithful ones after the disappointment as they remained faithful to God and bore the trial.

Did you know that Ellen White was not the first one to be given the prophetic gift? There were two black gentlemen, Foss and Foy who were given visions as Ellen was, but shied away from proclaiming it and submitting to be God's messenger. The only thing special about Ellen Harmon was that she accepted the call...

The thing I find interesting is that the Bible clearly states that in the last days that people would again receive the gift of prophesy (Acts 2:17) Why do you doubt that God would not fulfill this? Or are you waiting for that prophet to come?
 
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Ellen white did not live in the last days! She lived in the horse and buggy days prior to the industrial revolution. I guess anytime the word prophet or prophecy is used in the bible it is somehow code language for her or SDA. What arrogance!

Go back and read Acts 2 which is taken from Joel 2. It says the Holy Spirit will be poured out on all flesh similar to the days of Pentecost. This outpouring is called the latter rain and it will ripen the harvest of the earth just prior to the second coming. Even Ellen White knew that.
 
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