The BASICS of Mid-Acts Dispensationalism

7xlightray · Jan 14, 2014

riverrat: IMO you obviously do not understand dispensationalism. No dispensationalist, to my knowledge, says that we are built on the foundation of Paul. The foundation that we are built on is Jesus Christ as per 1 Cor 3:11.

Well I would have thought that would be understood. You would have to keep what I say in context of the article, he also mentioned Barnabas, and I did not mention Barnabas either.

riverrat: Eph 2:19 does not say the foundation is the apostles and prophets. It says the foundation is Christ Jesus as he is the cornerstone.

Actually that's exactly what Eph 2:20 does Says, "because you have been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone.". Also read Rev 21:9-14
　

riverrat: The mystery is a secret. It was either not written before or if it was written before the true meaning of it was not revealed until Christ revealed it to Paul.

The article said the mystery of the dispensation of the grace of God through the fall of Israel was never prophesied. "And as we have already seen, this present "dispensation of the grace of God" (Eph.3:2) was never prophesied.", and "Accordingly, through the prophesied fall of Israel, the Lord is now operating outside of the prophesied design that He described in the Old Testament scriptures."

I completely disagree, just read the passages in their context that Paul list in Rom 15, especially Deuteronomy 32, read the whole chapter.

Deuteronomy 32:19 "And when the Lord saw it, He spurned them,
Because of the provocation of His sons and His daughters.
20 And He said: I will hide My face from them,
I will see what their end will be,
For they are a perverse generation,
Children in whom is no faith.
21 They have provoked Me to jealousy by what is not God;
They have moved Me to anger by their foolish idols.
But I will provoke them to jealousy by those who are not a nation;
I will move them to anger by a foolish nation.
...36 "For the Lord will judge His people
And have compassion on His servants,
When He sees that their power is gone,
And there is no one remaining, bond or free.
...43 "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with His people;
For He will avenge the blood of His servants,
And render vengeance to His adversaries;

Rom 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God does nothing,
Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

riverrat · Jan 14, 2014

7xlightray said:
riverrat: IMO you obviously do not understand dispensationalism. No dispensationalist, to my knowledge, says that we are built on the foundation of Paul. The foundation that we are built on is Jesus Christ as per 1 Cor 3:11.

Well I would have thought that would be understood. You would have to keep what I say in context of the article, he also mentioned Barnabas, and I did not mention Barnabas either.

riverrat: Eph 2:19 does not say the foundation is the apostles and prophets. It says the foundation is Christ Jesus as he is the cornerstone.

Actually that's exactly what Eph 2:20 does Says, "because you have been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone.". Also read Rev 21:9-14
　

riverrat: The mystery is a secret. It was either not written before or if it was written before the true meaning of it was not revealed until Christ revealed it to Paul.

The article said the mystery of the dispensation of the grace of God through the fall of Israel was never prophesied. "And as we have already seen, this present "dispensation of the grace of God" (Eph.3:2) was never prophesied.", and "Accordingly, through the prophesied fall of Israel, the Lord is now operating outside of the prophesied design that He described in the Old Testament scriptures."

I completely disagree, just read the passages in their context that Paul list in Rom 15, especially Deuteronomy 32, read the whole chapter.

Deuteronomy 32:19 "And when the Lord saw it, He spurned them,
Because of the provocation of His sons and His daughters.
20 And He said: I will hide My face from them,
I will see what their end will be,
For they are a perverse generation,
Children in whom is no faith.
21 They have provoked Me to jealousy by what is not God;
They have moved Me to anger by their foolish idols.
But I will provoke them to jealousy by those who are not a nation;
I will move them to anger by a foolish nation.
...36 "For the Lord will judge His people
And have compassion on His servants,
When He sees that their power is gone,
And there is no one remaining, bond or free.
...43 "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with His people;
For He will avenge the blood of His servants,
And render vengeance to His adversaries;

Rom 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God does nothing,
Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

Danoh had you pegged correctly from the beginning. Have it your way. No need to try and change you. Waste of time.

7xlightray · Jan 14, 2014

What in the world are you talking about? I did not know someone was trying to change me.

All I asked about was the trumpets, and it was to anyone that could answer. What is wrong with that? I asked about the trumpets and I got the run around, ...and I'm pegged?

I think I'm starting to understand why I have not got an answer to my question, because it's not me that's hiding anything. So instead of dragging me through all this, would it not have been so much simpler to just answer my question, or not to have replied to me at all?

Now, if there is anyone that can answer my question, I would still like to hear it.

riverrat · Jan 14, 2014

7xlightray said:
What in the world are you talking about? I did not know someone was trying to change me.

All I asked about was the trumpets, and it was to anyone that could answer. What is wrong with that? I asked about the trumpets and I got the run around, ...and I'm pegged?

I think I'm starting to understand why I have not got an answer to my question, because it's not me that's hiding anything. So instead of dragging me through all this, would it not have been so much simpler to just answer my question, or not to have replied to me at all?

Now, if there is anyone that can answer my question, I would still like to hear it.

I did not know that someone was trying to change you either.

I enjoy discussing dispensationalism with another dispensationalist but it is just a waste of time defending dispensationalism to a person whose mind is closed to it as you seem to be.

If I had realized that you are not a dispensationalist I would not have replied to you in the first place.

Maybe someone else will answer your question.

Danoh · Jan 15, 2014

Riverrat, unfortunately, its turned out I was right, not about 7xlightray, for I do not know him, nor his heart, but about HOW he looks at thing. By that, continuing to make my intended point to him - that there is no sense in getting into ANY subject with someone who looks at things FROM where he does, for it will only continue to remain "an uncertain sound."

As with many outside of Mid-Acts (and, to be fair, even some within) he confuses one thing with another (that is actually "not another" of the same kind. He concludes his "study" done, and here we are once - " lets talk about trumps (or what have you) even though I have just proven once more that I can't even get at the very foundation such things completely rely on for their proper understanding - I can't even get at the difference between "mysteries" "A mystery" and "THE mystery," let alone, the obvious difference between "A nation" (singular) and "nations" (plural). Worse, I still fail to consider things this side of said mystery!"

Its regretable, but thats what you are asserting once more. What's next, confusing Paul's "ye suffer fools gladly" as the "foolish nation" your two and two has you concluding is a reference to "The Mystery" Paul alone preached?

Its the same old pattern - that the Mid-Acts Perspective requires one having come to the end of the consistent inconsistencies of - of both one's own way of adding things up, and traditional viewpoint's "two and two."

You can see it, brother, you can see "This Mystery... of HIS will" for it IS His intent "to make ALL men" who ARE willing - "see what is the fellowship (and or dispensation) of the mystery."

Its a filter, brother, a lens, a perspective which, once "the eyes of your understanding" have been "enlightened" by it, you right off understand many things only "acknowledgment of the mystery" begins to allow you to see - your paradigm, your HOW you look at things from then on forever shifted, and such, that it is a never ending ocean of deeper and deeper understanding of The Mystery of the Father's will, as all about you "Churchianity" ever remains in its "oh we can't know the Father's will in this, that, the other..."

I understand where you are. I can empathize with that. But there you will remain until you make your self-questions sharper in their distinctions - "what am I not seeing, getting, are these things the same this side of Paul, is this foolish nation present before Paul, what was Moses' context, where does that context replay itself out elsewhere, and in light of Moses having declared the Law "an everlasting covenant" - would he be talking about Gentiles, who are not a nation, but nations - perhaps I should set aside my first inclinations and just search the scriptures on all this, not to prove my bias, but just to examine these things..."

I mean, you've been offered a gift "this mystery" that continues to remain "a mystery" an enigma for the Body at large, its "flat-world" consensus, it's bliss.

All you need do is rise to its challenge - not that you embrace it right off, rather, that you at least study it out, let God be true, let us - all of us - you included, a lier

I know "all" you "asked about was..." But clearly, you are not ready for its answer. You will only meet it the way you have its key "The Mystery..."

Danoh · Jan 15, 2014

Admittedly, some of these things can be a bit perplexing. The key to sorting them out is "knowledge of THE Mystery." That is settled via proper distinctions which lead both to acknowledgment of "This Mystery" as well as to it as "the foundation" from which you then continullally build your further understanding of all else on. "Take heed" of this, and you are on your way, 1 Cor. 3.

For example, Dt. 32:21's "a foolish nation" was fulfilled during the Earthly ministry of Christ, as described in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and Early Acts, but also, in Romans, where Paul deals with what happened between Israel and God, that He was now provoking Israel to jealousy, NOT through Moses' PROPHESIED "foolish nation" (singular) BUT through "the Gentiles" (plural - nations).

Read the following as to Moses' PROPHESIED "foolish nation" - John chapter 1 (the whole chapter). Compare that to John chapter 5 and chapter 8. Also, compare Matthew 21:43 with 19:28 and Luke 12:32.

That witness out of the way, read Rom. 9:6-8; 10:19-21, and 11:1-7.

All that is that "foolish nation" PROPHESIED by Moses. You see their ministry in Early Acts, read chapter 3.

By Acts 7, their persecution at the hands of those "of Israel not of Israel" reaches the climax of their resisistence of the Spirit's continuance of Christ's ministery to Israel "first" through that "foolish nation" that Moses PROPHESIED and they kill Stephen, just after the Spirit's Acts 7:51 "ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost."

Romans 11:11-32 takes up that narrative. Acts 13:44, 45's same thought as to what happened that God sealed that PROPHESIED "foolish nation" concluded "the rest" willfully "blind" and "turned to the Gentiles until the fulness of" this "Gentiles" salvation "be come in" sometime afterwhich He "will return" to "make a short work upon this earth" as to that which remains as to Israel's PROPHESIED destiny.

Just read the above passages - the Gentiles began to be His instrument of provoking Irael to jealousy AFTER Israel rejected the Spirit's ministry through Moses' PROPHESIED "foolish nation."

I left a seeming paradox in all that, see if you, or anyone, for that matter, can solve it.

7xlightray · Jan 16, 2014

Getting a bit silly here. You don't think I'm wise enough to understand the trumpets, but wise enough to figure out what your thinking, and how you understand the scriptures. Okay!

I was hopping to keep this simple, because I know where this will go, debating over every passage in the Bible.

In some things we may see the same, as far as I can tell, and others we differ. One place were we seem to differ is the "foolish nation". I don't see God provoking Israel to jealousy by unsaved Gentile nations, Gentile people are being saved, not nations. I agree that Moses' PROPHESIED "foolish nation" started with natural born Jews, who became part of a heavenly nation, then Gentiles were grafted in with them. And that nation is still growing. We are Abraham's sons, and Abraham is that nation [Gen. 18:18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?], Abraham looked up, not on this earth Heb. 11. Zion the city of which is Jerusalem in heaven, that is our city. One big nation, a foolish nation in the eyes of others. It can't be gentile nations that would provoke Israel to jealousy, it's the Gentiles coming into Zion, and them being left out, or broken off. The one body, the one olive tree, commonwealth/citizenship of spiritual Israel. I do not believe God is finished with natural Israel, or even the other nations for that matter, because they are still lost, God the Father must be all in all.

riverrat · Jan 16, 2014

7xlightray said:
Getting a bit silly here. You don't think I'm wise enough to understand the trumpets, but wise enough to figure out what your thinking, and how you understand the scriptures. Okay!

I was hopping to keep this simple, because I know where this will go, debating over every passage in the Bible.

In some things we may see the same, as far as I can tell, and others we differ. One place were we seem to differ is the "foolish nation". I don't see God provoking Israel to jealousy by unsaved Gentile nations, Gentile people are being saved, not nations. I agree that Moses' PROPHESIED "foolish nation" started with natural born Jews, who became part of a heavenly nation, then Gentiles were grafted in with them. And that nation is still growing. We are Abraham's sons, and Abraham is that nation [Gen. 18:18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?], Abraham looked up, not on this earth Heb. 11. Zion the city of which is Jerusalem in heaven, that is our city. One big nation, a foolish nation in the eyes of others. It can't be gentile nations that would provoke Israel to jealousy, it's the Gentiles coming into Zion, and them being left out, or broken off. The one body, the one olive tree, commonwealth/citizenship of spiritual Israel. I do not believe God is finished with natural Israel, or even the other nations for that matter, because they are still lost, God the Father must be all in all.

I agree. When a nondispensationalist shows up here it gets silly in a hurry.

7xlightray · Jan 16, 2014

Matt 15:24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." - The 10 lost tribes of Israel.

Mark 7:27 But Jesus said to her, "Let the children be filled first, for it is not good to take the childrens bread and throw it to the little dogs." - Dogs are gentiles, but Jesus said first I must feed the 10 lost tribes.

There is Moses rejected by his brethren in bondage, leaves and marries a Gentile.

Danoh · Jan 16, 2014

You're right, 7xlightray, no sense continuing with you. You can't even distinguish between a city in Heaven and the balance of Heaven itself. No point in continuing with you, you're just too confused - consider yourself ignored. Regretably...

7xlightray · Jan 16, 2014

You can't even distinguish between a city in Heaven and the balance of Heaven itself.

Maybe cause you did not read it right, I said Jerusalem is the city.

7xlightray · Jan 16, 2014

If Moses is not enough, or hard to see, there is Joseph, very, very detailed clear prophecy of which we speak, some amazing detail.

7xlightray · Jan 19, 2014

Now about us being built on the foundation of the apostles, what does scripture say about this?

From Judah the lion would come the king, Judah did not have the birthright, but Ephraim the ox did, who received the same blessing as Abraham, that many nations would come from him. Jacob/Israel did not give the birthright to his sons, but gave the birthright to Joseph's sons Ephraim and Manasseh with the right hand on Ephraim getting the bigger portion, saying they would become many peoples, but clarifying that Manasseh would become a people, but Ephraim would become many nations. You can read about this in Gen. 48 and 49. Ephraim was Northern Israel, In scripture Ephraim is interchangeable with Israel, which were the ten tribes. Judah is the southern two tribes.

1 Chronicles 5:1,2 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israelhe was indeed the firstborn, but because he defiled his fathers bed, his birthright was given to the sons of Joseph, the son of Israel, so that the genealogy is not listed according to the birthright;

Deuteronomy 33:13-17 Moses blessing on Israel.
13: And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,
14: And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,
15: And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills,
16: And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.
17: His glory is like the firstling of his bullock (Ephraim was given the righthand of the firstborn by Jacob), and his horns are like the horns of unicorns (H7214 a wild ox, so horns of a wild ox): with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

Hosea 10:11 And Ephraim is as an heifer that is taught, and loveth to tread out the corn; but I passed over upon her fair neck: I will make Ephraim to ride; Judah shall plow, and Jacob shall break his clods.

Jeremiah 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.

Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
　
　
　
Israel my name on them. Egypt, of type being the world.

Genesis 48:3 Then Jacob said to Joseph: "God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me, 4 and said to me, Behold, I will make you fruitful and multiply you, and I will make of you a multitude of people, and give this land to your descendants after you as an everlasting possession. 5 And now your two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, who were born to you in the land of Egypt before I came to you in Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine. 6 Your offspring whom you beget after them shall be yours; they will be called by the name of their brothers in their inheritance.

Genesis 48:14 Then Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on Ephraims head, who was the younger, and his left hand on Manassehs head, guiding his hands knowingly, for Manasseh was the firstborn. 15 And he blessed Joseph, and said:
"God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked,
The God who has fed me all my life long to this day,
16 The Angel who has redeemed me from all evil,
Bless the lads;
Let my name be named upon them,
And the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac;
And let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."

...19 But his father refused and said, "I know, my son, I know. He (Manasseh) also shall become a people, and he also shall be great; but truly his younger brother (Ephraim) shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations."
　
　
　
Throughout the temple were images of the lion and ox.
Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, lion, but grew up and started His ministry in Galilee, ox.

Moses description of the Laver did not mention oxen, actually not much description at all, and was in the tabernacle that was not permanent, it was designed to move from place to place, showing God was going to set up a permanent everlasting one. The permanent, Solomon's temple had the bronze sea or molten sea on 12 oxen. The 12 oxen, three facing east, three facing west, three facing north and three facing south, pointing outward to the four corners of the world. The oxen was the foundation of the bronze sea. Water/sea can represent clean and the word, as well can mean evil, and can even represent many people or nations. All these fit if you think about it, but not necessarily important to this study.

The oxen representing the 12 disciples which all came from Galilee (northern Israel/Ephraim) except Judas Iscariot, he came from Southern. Matthias that replaced Judas was from Galilee going by Acts 2:1-7.

The disciple were to go into all the world, indicated by the ox pointing in all four directions, as Christ commanded Mark 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. That is the commandment Jesus gave them "every creature", look up the meaning of that word creature, it can not mean anything but every living being. If the disciples did not understand, it was not because of the command Jesus gave them, Jesus made it very clear.

Notice Paul is comparing all these things to the temple.

Eph 2:19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Paul the Benjamite uses ox in referring to apostles, or ministers.

1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the law of Moses, "You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain." Is it oxen God is concerned about?

...and...

1 Timothy 5:17,18 Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine. 18 For the Scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain," and, "The laborer is worthy of his wages."

...also shown by this passage as well...

Prov 14:4 Where no oxen are, the trough is clean;
But much increase comes by the strength of an ox.

What's interesting is Northern Israel had as first king over them a Benjamite Jeroboam. Also Benjamin was in the group of Ephraim and Manasseh when crossing the desert, in fact so was the First King Saul a Benjamite and was not from the tribe of Judah, or even from the tribe of Ephraim. Not sure if this would relate to Paul in any way or not, I would have to study more.
　
　
　
Jerusalem is our home, mother of us all.

Revelation 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

...now what walls and gates are built on the foundations, does it not include Ephraim who holds the birthright?...

12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.

Who is being built on the foundations? Is it not us also who are now being built on that foundation.

1 Peter 2:4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

...and...

Eph 2:19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Danoh · Jan 20, 2014

Interesting info, 7xLightray.

Can't say I agree with its conclusion though, as Paul is speaking of things this side of The Mystery revealed solely to and through him.

In this, Ephesians 2's "them that WERE nigh" is Israel, even now presently "UNcircumcision," their commonwealth on hold "til" some time AFTER "the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

As Romans asserts, the believing remnant of Israel - who believed THEIR "word of faith" were sealed by God, at the same time that "the rest" of Israel were "blinded," concluded by Him "in UNcircumcision."

This believing remnant was one "household of faith" whose PROPHESIED Program is on hold "til the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

The other "household of faith" is the Body of Christ - THIS SIDE of the Mystery.

It is comprised of "them that WERE nigh" - those of Israel AFTER it was concluded in UNcircumcision who trust Paul's UNcircumcision gospel, and "ye that were FAR OFF" - those Gentiles who trust Paul's UNcircumcision gospel.

These two households OF FAITH - both, the Israel OF GOD as to His PROPHESIED Purpose for Israel, and the Body OF CHRIST - the subject of His KEPT A MYSTERY Purpose - these two households of faith comprise the household of God.

The foundation of the apostles and prophets this household of God is being built on is the household of faith that Jesus Christ is the chief corner stone of. He is the chief cornerstone of both, hence why both emphasize Him as the cornerstone.

Again, one household of faith is according to "that which was SPOKEN by the mouth of ALL His holy prophets, since the world began" Acts 3:21.

The other household of faith is "according to the revelation of THE MYSTERY, which WAS KEPT SECRET since the world began" Romans 16:25.

BOTH of which center around Jesus Christ '"For THROUGH HIM we BOTH have access by ONE Spirit unto the Father."

Danoh · Jan 20, 2014

Its interesting that we ended up at this topic. Earlier this morning I had been thinking on how to best express the above, prior to having seen your post, 7xlightray.

As I thought on this theme, a line from Shakespeare's "Romeo and Juliet" came to mind - "Two households, both alike in dignity." Both on equal footing before the Prince of that story.

"And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God" Galatians 6:16.

"As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith" Galatians 6:10

7xlightray · Jan 20, 2014

You seem on a friendlier note, eat some good manna?

"as Paul is speaking of things this side of The Mystery revealed solely to and through him."

First may I ask were you read this in scripture, that The Mystery was revealed solely to and through him? I take what you mean by this is it is not in the O.T. scripture? These are not sarcastic questions, really trying to understand.

Maybe this type or shadow will help you to see Paul's mystery that he was made to understand, of gentiles receiving grace through the fall of Israel. I'll make this very short, as short as I can, because this should be very easy to see.

Israel crosses the sea, first baptism. Moses gave the Law (first Covenant) to Israel, and most fell in the desert and were not allowed to enter, but a remnant, "The Fall". The next time they cross the Jordan river, second baptism, Jericho's walls of separation come down, the Gentile and her family were shown grace, and live with Israel to this day, they become one. God did not bring them into a land unoccupied, but God sent them into a land of Gentiles.

Danoh · Jan 21, 2014

7xlightray, try to identify what the Mystery is first, then, when, to whom, and through whom it was revealed first. But first, what the Mystery is. Not mysteries, not this mystery, not every other shade of word I've noticed you tend to read as one and the same, as you did with the word "foundation." Just THE Mystery.

7xlightray · Jan 21, 2014

But how can I do that, until you tell me where to find the "Mystery" you are referring to, that was only told to Paul?

Danoh · Jan 21, 2014

Try Romans thru Philemon. It is the only place in Scripture where the Mystery we Mid-Acts people are talking about is found. If you attempt to understand it outside of Romans through Philemon you will only end up as perplexed about it as Acts and 2 Peter relates "they of the circumcision which believed" were about it, as it does not fit Scriptures Prophesied Paradigm because it was "hid in God."

You will just have to do what I did - search it out. To spoonfeed it to you is to set off once more your "Scripture based" but Mystery bereft, paradigm, once more. As "Scripture based" as James and Peter had been, for example, they ended up scratching their heads in perplexity at this truth, because it is only found in Romans through Philemon, only in Paul, was not prophesied.

You can come back and assert what you will against it once more, or, you can, at least, temporarily receive it with all readiness of mind, searching the Scriptures daily whether these things are so, that you therefore believe, Acts 17: 11, 12a.

You have to get this paradigm issue out of the way, that all that word stored up in the mentality of your soul rightly divide itself in light of the Mystery, and you find that you "understand all mysteries."

7xlightray · Jan 21, 2014

Oh my, even the answers are secret and a mystery.

I know what the mystery is "gentiles receiving grace through the fall of Israel", I thought that was the mystery we were referring to.

I'll try rewording this and ask again.
Where in the Bible does it say that only Paul received this mystery and no one else, this mystery that is not even taught in the O.T.?

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