It's war I say. Man the canons, batten down the hatches. If they don't understand what Christianity is I'll beat it into them.
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Bus Drivers Punished for Praying at Work After Child's Death:
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It's war I say. Man the canons, batten down the hatches. If they don't understand what Christianity is I'll beat it into them.
Uh, didn't you read the article? No one was fired. A few of the drivers got a notice placed in their files stating that they had been notified of misuse of their radios. That is it.No they don't. It wasn't the prayer which was in violation of policy, it was the misuse of school district radios. The drivers could have personally gathered before starting their runs and prayed for their fellow driver. Instead, they chose to use their radios which were not to be used for personal issues.
It may fit some of those complaining about this issue more than the occurrence. As Christians, we have a duty to act as Christians and not complain about non-existent issues.
Christians have a duty to obey our employers and the rules which they have in place. If there is a rule which goes against our faith, we should quit and seek better employment.
But they were showing disrespect for the rules which they agreed to work under when they started working for the school district.
The godless appear to have been complaining about what Christians should have not been doing.
And it appears that you should learn about what Christ taught his disciples to act like when they faced issues like this. Be obedient. if they ask you to go 1 mile, go further. If they want your coat,give them your cloak as well, your shirt and what ever they need. If they strike your left cheek, turn and allow them to strike your right cheek.
We should always seek the truth about a situation before rushing headlong into the fire. This matter is a simple one to resolve and there is no godlessness in how the school district responded but there has been some sin in those who are complaining about this issue.
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I agree. These bus drivers should seek legal council.
Too often we read atheists and others are abusing Christians in America. And then their strongest supporters attempt to tell Christians that they should roll over and allow the abuse. Because Jesus said turn the other cheek, and love their abusers.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Jesus was God in the flesh. Hell demonstrates God (Jesus) doesn't turn the other cheek. Those who refuse to accept his offer of salvation are cast into the pit.
He doesn't allow them to sin and at the end of their life says, oh that's perfectly OK. I love you!
No, God sends those people straight to Hell.
When someone demonstrates the inhumanity of overt violence against another person, they will glory in the opportunity to assault that person again when their victim offers them the other cheek.
They'll realize that victim holds no respect for themselves. That they, especially as Christians when they first accept they carry the holy spirit inside, are worthy of abuse. That that kingdom of the most high residing within is to be housed in a ghetto. A ramshackle falling down dump that has stones cast at it, graffiti painted upon it, garbage thrown against it.
And those offenders will accommodate the invitation for abuse because the one being abused feels they deserve nothing more, nothing better. Because they hold no respect for the fact they carry God's spirit inside them. And as such their flesh is transient.
God didn't give us life so we could hand it over to the evil Jesus condemned! The evil that Jesus came to save the world from is to be cast out and sent to the pit for eternity. If Jesus believed abominations and the demonic should be tolerated he wouldn't have died to save the world from it. And thereby give people a choice. To be redeemed and fight evil. Or to remain damned and die of their evil.
Jesus came to take the sins of the world upon himself. He cast out devils! He didn't tell the possessed to smile and enjoy being occupied by them.
There's another old saying that rings true. And these bus drivers need to realize that.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing!" Edmund Burke
Too often we read atheists and others are abusing Christians in America. And then their strongest supporters attempt to tell Christians that they should roll over and allow the abuse. Because Jesus said turn the other cheek, and love their abusers.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Jesus was God in the flesh. Hell demonstrates God (Jesus) doesn't turn the other cheek. Those who refuse to accept his offer of salvation are cast into the pit.
He doesn't allow them to sin and at the end of their life says, oh that's perfectly OK. I love you!
No, God sends those people straight to Hell.
When someone demonstrates the inhumanity of overt violence against another person, they will glory in the opportunity to assault that person again when their victim offers them the other cheek.
They'll realize that victim holds no respect for themselves. That they, especially as Christians when they first accept they carry the holy spirit inside, are worthy of abuse. That that kingdom of the most high residing within is to be housed in a ghetto. A ramshackle falling down dump that has stones cast at it, graffiti painted upon it, garbage thrown against it.
And those offenders will accommodate the invitation for abuse because the one being abused feels they deserve nothing more, nothing better. Because they hold no respect for the fact they carry God's spirit inside them. And as such their flesh is transient.
God didn't give us life so we could hand it over to the evil Jesus condemned! The evil that Jesus came to save the world from is to be cast out and sent to the pit for eternity. If Jesus believed abominations and the demonic should be tolerated he wouldn't have died to save the world from it. And thereby give people a choice. To be redeemed and fight evil. Or to remain damned and die of their evil.
Jesus came to take the sins of the world upon himself. He cast out devils! He didn't tell the possessed to smile and enjoy being occupied by them.
There's another old saying that rings true. And these bus drivers need to realize that.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing!" Edmund Burke
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For what?
Atheists did nothing in this case.
The only abuse which may have occurred, from the articles, is the abuse of school property. Of course, even that really wasn't abuse. The drivers broke the rules.
So you are not a follower of Jesus' teaching?
I assumed that you believe him.Then it would be advisable to follow what Jesus said so that you may be counted among those who shall find salvation.
And many who cry Lord Lord will be told that he never knew them.
So you believe that Jesus was wrong for going to the cross and should have wiped out all of those who were abusing him?
Whew, I think someone is need of a hug.
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Please refrain from attacking my personal beliefs. It is quite against the rules here. Thank you.
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I didn't attack your personal beliefs. I asked you questions about them. Your statements contradict how Jesus told us to act and I asked you about them.
You are ranting about something very minor. The drivers had none of their religious rights violated. No one told them that they could not pray for their fellow driver. They had every opportunity to do so before starting their shifts. They could have done so after their shifts ended. Their supervisors probably would have prayed with them.
Let's look at these issues from a rational angle and protest the ones which really worthy of protest.
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Hi all,
Well, I'll repeat it one more time and then I'm done. The example we are given in the Scriptures of our reaction to persecution for our faith in Jesus is to rejoice. Count it all joy for great is our reward in heaven.
Nope, no instruction to rise up against the perpetrators. Not a word that would lead us to believe that the right thing to do is to file some civil liberties suit. So, for me, the question is always... what do the Scriptures teach. I'm not much interested in what the world teaches or what many who may have attached the name of 'Christian' to their name. What do the Scriptures teach?
Forgiveness, graciousness, mercy. Learning to forgive and be merciful to those who persecute us is probably one of the hardest lessons of the Holy Spirit as it absolutely goes against everything the world teaches. The world says, "Hey, don't be stupid! Get your pound of flesh! Eye for eye, tooth for tooth!"
God bless you all,
In Christ, Ted
Well, I'll repeat it one more time and then I'm done. The example we are given in the Scriptures of our reaction to persecution for our faith in Jesus is to rejoice. Count it all joy for great is our reward in heaven.
Nope, no instruction to rise up against the perpetrators. Not a word that would lead us to believe that the right thing to do is to file some civil liberties suit. So, for me, the question is always... what do the Scriptures teach. I'm not much interested in what the world teaches or what many who may have attached the name of 'Christian' to their name. What do the Scriptures teach?
Forgiveness, graciousness, mercy. Learning to forgive and be merciful to those who persecute us is probably one of the hardest lessons of the Holy Spirit as it absolutely goes against everything the world teaches. The world says, "Hey, don't be stupid! Get your pound of flesh! Eye for eye, tooth for tooth!"
God bless you all,
In Christ, Ted
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You know, I count it all joy because I know that my "martyr complex" is because of the prophecy coming true and Jesus will come back soon. Since the world, in general, is following ignorance, I have a right to speak openly to those who know nothing and may never hear the Gospel. My "martyr complex" speaks to those who think they know much, like the Pharisees.
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I too would love to see these bus drivers retain an attorney and file a civil rights lawsuit. I'd also like to know where the ACLU is.
I pay no attention to those who claim this is a matter of preferential treatment being expected. This is a matter of a group of drivers getting together and praying for one of their own who just suffered a horrible loss. Christian charity.
Those who condemn that as preferential treatment are regurgitating the same old yarn they always do when they think to condemn Christians and Christian values. But at least they're not slamming America as a garbage nation and whatnot. Well, there's always the next thread.
I pity those who would do nothing to defend themselves or their faith. Rejoicing in the face of oppression, assault, etc...Somehow I doubt they'd smile and say, "I love you", when an assailant was beating them to death for their wallet.
But it is always so easy to tell others what they should do when it appears to work in writing.
Jesus showed rage at the temple when he assaulted the money changers there.
God showed rage when he drowned the entire world. When he burned Sodom to the ground. When he sent his Hebrew armies to slaughter those he sought to overthrow.
God hates! Scriptures say so.
The warm fluffy bunny idea that Christians should just smile and rejoice when they're abused in any way isn't Biblical. It isn't Jesus. When Jesus was God? Who is the same eternally, which means he is Jehovah of the OT?
Now Satan, yes. Satan would say, lay down and take it. Do nothing. Enjoy the abuse.
But Jesus? Not on your life. Why do we think Jesus condemned other religions as abominations and false teachings? All who do not follow him will suffer eternity in Hell!
That's not warm fluffy bunny passive cowardice. That's egoism and authority!
But those who think they should smile when they're walked on, should be.
When Christians are the house of the holy spirit you either respect that or you don't.
We get what we believe we deserve!
And expecting one's religious rights isn't special treatment.
Fascists think so though. Communists did too.
They were wrong.
That's why this is America. And those regimes are history.
I pay no attention to those who claim this is a matter of preferential treatment being expected. This is a matter of a group of drivers getting together and praying for one of their own who just suffered a horrible loss. Christian charity.
Those who condemn that as preferential treatment are regurgitating the same old yarn they always do when they think to condemn Christians and Christian values. But at least they're not slamming America as a garbage nation and whatnot. Well, there's always the next thread.
I pity those who would do nothing to defend themselves or their faith. Rejoicing in the face of oppression, assault, etc...Somehow I doubt they'd smile and say, "I love you", when an assailant was beating them to death for their wallet.
But it is always so easy to tell others what they should do when it appears to work in writing.
Jesus showed rage at the temple when he assaulted the money changers there.
God showed rage when he drowned the entire world. When he burned Sodom to the ground. When he sent his Hebrew armies to slaughter those he sought to overthrow.
God hates! Scriptures say so.
The warm fluffy bunny idea that Christians should just smile and rejoice when they're abused in any way isn't Biblical. It isn't Jesus. When Jesus was God? Who is the same eternally, which means he is Jehovah of the OT?
Now Satan, yes. Satan would say, lay down and take it. Do nothing. Enjoy the abuse.
But Jesus? Not on your life. Why do we think Jesus condemned other religions as abominations and false teachings? All who do not follow him will suffer eternity in Hell!
That's not warm fluffy bunny passive cowardice. That's egoism and authority!
But those who think they should smile when they're walked on, should be.
When Christians are the house of the holy spirit you either respect that or you don't.
We get what we believe we deserve!
And expecting one's religious rights isn't special treatment.
Fascists think so though. Communists did too.
They were wrong.
That's why this is America. And those regimes are history.
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They cannot get anything because they were not damaged? That is how law suits work.
Incorrect. They could have gotten together before starting their runs and prayed but they chose to ignore the logical thing to do. Instead they ignored Christian charity and broke school district rules. Sinful actions.
Those who think that this is how Christians should act need to re-examine the Gospel to learn how Christians should act.
So you seem to be saying that you pity Jesus Christ. He refused to defend himself when he could have destroyed them all.
And you know this how? Did Peter or Paul defend themselves when beaten and jailed? Did any of the Apostles wage war against the Romans?
Are you not telling people what they should do?
When they were desecrating his Father's Temple yet he lifted not one finger to protect himself and when Peter pulled his sword to defend Jesus, Jesus stopped him and healed the man.
Do you believe that you know what God knows and put yourself on his level to pass judgment against your enemy. Did not Jesus put an end to "an eye for an eye"?
Don't you think that he hates it when you sin? Have you plucked the log out of your eye so that you may then pull the splinter out of your brethren's. It appears not. Where is the love for those you deem your enemies?
It isn't?
Matthew 5:
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.
10 Blessed are they that have been persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye when [men] shall reproach you, and persecute you, and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets that were before you.
Matthew 5:
38 Ye have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 but I say unto you, resist not him that is evil: but whosoever smiteth thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man would go to law with thee, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go one mile, go with him two.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy:
44 but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you;
Which covenant do you place yourself under? That of the Old or that of the New. If you wish grace, then act like Jesus and stop with your hateful speech.
Romans 12: 14 Bless them that persecute you; bless, and curse not.
Yes, Jesus was a man and God of peace and love. No one, including you and I am worthy to receive the blessing which comes through Christ Jesus but God allowed his Son to suffer without doing anything to stop it. He allowed all of the Apostles to suffer greatly at the hands of the Jews and pagans but instead of killing mankind, he forgave and blessed the world with his Holy Spirit even more.
People who hate and want to wage war fail to understand how God works in this age. Turn your cheek and receive God's blessing.
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"misuse of public school resources"? "technically inappropriate"? Gosh, I knew I was right. I just didn't know I'd be proven right so quickly .
Yeah, guess what? I work in a job where I also use communication equipment. And my employer makes it clear that if we use it to chat needlessly and about personal matters rather than restricting it to our jobs, we get reprimanded or fired.
You have this bizarre impression that Christians should be exempt from normal rules governing workplace conduct, which is just plain silly.
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You are expecting special treatment, because you are complaining that Christians aren't being permitted to violate their employer's resource use policy with impunity.
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People who work for public schools, just as the students who attend those schools that are supported by an eclectic array of tax payer funds, are not required by law to leave their faith at home when they go to work there.
The idiocy that fires bus drivers and therein puts transport of the students in that companies charge at risk is blatant.
I'd hope the district that retains this company would reconsider renewal of the contract come time. Because not only the religious bigotry that made headlines, but because the bus company canned enough drivers so as to put routes at risk due to that bigotry.
The ACLU is silent of course. Hopefully there will arrive a Christian rights advocacy group who will fight for these bus drivers compensation.
There is a movement about that is hoping to outlaw the Christian faith in America. Because it is the most populace faith in America.
The only way that happens is for Christians to do nothing.
The idiocy that fires bus drivers and therein puts transport of the students in that companies charge at risk is blatant.
I'd hope the district that retains this company would reconsider renewal of the contract come time. Because not only the religious bigotry that made headlines, but because the bus company canned enough drivers so as to put routes at risk due to that bigotry.
The ACLU is silent of course. Hopefully there will arrive a Christian rights advocacy group who will fight for these bus drivers compensation.
There is a movement about that is hoping to outlaw the Christian faith in America. Because it is the most populace faith in America.
The only way that happens is for Christians to do nothing.
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Correct.
Who has fired any bus drivers in this case?
Please the articles before going off on rants.
No drivers were fired. No drivers were docked pay or lost time. No students were put at risk by any action the school district took.
And they shouldn't. No civil rights were violated.
You cannot be compensated for what you did not lose.
No there isn't.
Christians should never do nothing. Christians should seek to act like Christ and stop complaining about non-existent issues.
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Well back to the actual subject they may have taken a bit of a heavy handed approach, it's possible that there being unfairly punished or this could be fake outrage there is no way for us to really know since we don't know how they typically.
What we do know is they did violate company rules by using the radio for something outside of school business and not because they were praying. Also there seems to be some dispute as far as how long this has been going some article say 5 days others several weeks either way they should have starting planning this for outside of work.
School bus drivers punished for praying | WPMT FOX43
What we do know is they did violate company rules by using the radio for something outside of school business and not because they were praying. Also there seems to be some dispute as far as how long this has been going some article say 5 days others several weeks either way they should have starting planning this for outside of work.
School bus drivers punished for praying | WPMT FOX43
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