Future reinstitution of Temple worship, with animal sacrifices

Biblewriter · Dec 13, 2013

Many think this cannot happen, because it seems contrary to scriptures such as Hebrews 10; “by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.” (verse 14) and “Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.” (verse 18) But our understanding of the meaning of one scripture cannot set aside the express statement of another. When the scriptures tell us something in plain words, they mean exactly what they say. Like the construction of the new temple, worship in the form of animal sacrifice is prophesied in crystal clear language. It begins in Ezekiel 43:12, with the words, “This is the law of the temple: The whole area surrounding the mountaintop is most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.” An altar is then described, and Ezekiel is told “These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it.” (Ezekiel 43:18)

Next follows a long and detailed description of various animal sacrifices that are to be offered on this altar. This goes into chapter 46. The language is all future, and is very explicit and detailed. The instructions in this section include every sacrifice specified as perpetual in the law of Moses, as well as most of the ordinances specified the same way.

These include a renewal of the command to keep the “Sabbath,” as given in Ezekiel 44:24, Ezekiel 45:17, and Ezekiel 46:1-5 and 12. This had been commanded as “a perpetual covenant” with “the children of Israel” in Exodus 31:16. Again, in Ezekiel 45:21-25 we find the keeping of the “Passover,” with its accompanying “unleavened bread.” This had been commanded as “an everlasting ordinance” in Exodus 12:14 and 17, and “forever” in Exodus 12:24. In addition to these, we find the keeping of “the appointed feasts” in Ezekiel 46:9-11. These are detailed in Leviticus 23:4-43, where they are commanded to be kept “forever” in verses 14, 21, 31, and 41.

The last of these “appointed feasts” was a command to “dwell in booths for seven days.” (Leviticus 23:42) This came to be called “the Feast of Tabernacles.” (John 7:2) This is not named in Ezekiel, but Zechariah 14:16-19 goes into some detail about it, saying that not only Israel, but all the surrounding nations, will come up to Jerusalem to keep it every year, and that every “family” that fails to come up to that feast will be severely punished, either by lack of rain or by plague, that is, by God himself.

We find the same thing in the renewed laws of the priesthood. Ezekiel 44:15 explicitly limits this to “the sons of Zadok,” because he was the only priest that remained faithful “when the children of Israel went astray from” the Lord. Zadok’s descent from Aaron through Phineas is traced in 1 Chronicles 6:3-8. This is significant because the priesthood was given to Aaron and his sons “for a perpetual statute” in Exodus 29:9, and with “an everlasting priesthood” in Exodus 40:15. Then Aaron’s son Phineas and “his descendants after him” were additionally given “a covenant of an everlasting priesthood” in Numbers 25:13. So a future appointment of “the sons of Zadok” as priests is a fulfillment of this eternal pledge.

Other perpetual laws about the priests are also repeated here. Their holy garments are mentioned in Ezekiel 42:14 and 44:17-19. These had been commanded to be worn “always” in Exodus 28:38 and as “a statute forever” in Exodus 28:43. Again, Ezekiel 44:21 says, “No priest shall drink wine when he enters the inner court.” This is the same as in Leviticus 10:9, where it is commanded as “a statute forever throughout your generations.” And Ezekiel 48:14 forbids them to sell their land. This might seem strange to us, but this was to preserve the land to them and their children for ever. This, again, is a repeat of what we find in Leviticus 25:32-34, where the priests could only sell their houses until “the Jubilee” (an equivalent of what we call a lease,) but they could not sell their land at all “for it is their perpetual possession.”

Likewise, “every sacrifice of any kind,” including “the best of all firstfruits of any kind” were reserved as food for the priests in Ezekiel 44:29-30. These had been reserved as food for the priests as “a statute forever” in Exodus 29:28, Leviticus 6:18, 7:34 and 36, and 10:15, “as an ordinance forever” in Numbers 18:11 and 19, and “by a perpetual statute” in Leviticus 24:9.

Thus we see that the commandments for this future worship repeat the perpetual ordinances originally given through Moses. But they are not a reinstitution of that law. For some of the laws here are different from those given through Moses. For instance, the daily “burnt offering” of a lamb every morning and every evening, with flour and oil, is commanded “continually” in Exodus 29:38 and 42, as well as “throughout your generations” in Exodus 29:42. This command is repeated in Ezekiel 46:13-15, but there it is only every morning, and the amount of flour and of oil is different.

Another radical difference between this future worship and that under the law of Moses can be seen by referring to 1 Samuel 13. In this chapter Saul, God’s anointed king over Israel, offered up a burnt offering. “And Samuel said to Saul, ‘You have done foolishly. You have not kept the commandment of the LORD your God, which He commanded you. For now the LORD would have established your kingdom over Israel forever. But now your kingdom shall not continue. The LORD has sought for Himself a man after His own heart, and the LORD has commanded him to be commander over His people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you.’” (1 Samuel 13:13-14) Under the law of Moses, offerings were not to be made by rulers, but by priests. Again, in 2 Chronicles 26:16-21, king Uzziah was struck with leprosy because he offered incense. But the law of this future temple will be different:

“Then it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the New Moons, the Sabbaths, and at all the appointed seasons of the house of Israel. He shall prepare the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering, and the peace offerings to make atonement for the house of Israel.” (Ezekiel 45:17)

As punishment for presuming to act as priests, Saul lost his kingdom and Uzziah was struck with leprosy. But this coming prince “shall be a priest on His throne.” (Zechariah 6:13)

These clear and well defined differences between this future law and the one given by Moses are absolute proof that this was never intended to apply to a time before Jesus came. For when Jesus was here, He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:17-18) So, long after Ezekiel was given, Jesus himself said that not even the tiniest detail of the law would pass until He had fulfilled all of it.

A further and very marked difference between this future worship and that in the old system is clearly stated in Jeremiah 3:16.

“‘Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,’ says the LORD, ‘that they will say no more, “The ark of the covenant of the LORD.” It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore.’”

From "Keys to Bible Prophecy," by James C. Morris. This is copyrighted material, but I have maintained the right to post it at will.

southcountry · Dec 13, 2013

Yes, this will happen....and to make it even worse they are going to place the unclean thing in the holy place and sacrifice to it.....

ebedmelech · Dec 13, 2013

The point is this...Even *if* Israel builds a temple and reinstitutes animal sacrifice, what does it mean in light of Hebrews 9?

What it will mean is exactly what Paul said in Romans 9:30-33:
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;
31 but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law.
32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,
33 just as it is written, “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

Israel will be simply still in unbelief because they will not believe on Christ, who just as Hebrews 9 says...fulfills all of the OT sacrifices!

In the NT the sacrifices are spiritual!!! We as believers are to sacrifice OURSELVES to Christ as Romans 12:1. 2 says:
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Paul understood this as all of the apostles did! When his time came to die, he shows he understood this as he said to Timothy in 2 Timothy 4:6-8:
6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come.
7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith;
8 in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who have loved His appearing.

Paul tells us in Ephesians 5 we are to do just as Christ! Our lives are to be "an offering and a sacrifice" once again...Ephesians 5:1, 2:
Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children;
2 and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.

This is the sacrifice God wants from NT Christians....OUR LIFE of service to Him!!!

This idea that Ezekiel 40-48 is going to be a literal temple, which God honors...is pure fantasy and misreading of what Ezekiel was prophesies there. Ezekiel is in a vision just like John in Revelation! John see a temple open up in heaven in Revelation 11:19!!!

Why does that temple open up??? Because of what happens in Revelation 11:15-18...which is a heavenly vision of Christ assuming the reign...just as will be seen in Revelation 12:7-12 BUT...from a different view! There we have Satan being thrown down because Christ has made the sacrifice FOR US...therefore, Satan has NO GROUNDS TO ACCUSE US BEFORE GOD!!! Christ begins to reign because upon His resurrection, GOD GAVE HIM ALL AUTHORITY! (Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1, Colossians 1)

We find in the NT that ALL Christians whether Jew or Gentile are priests of God! Peter tells us that in 1 Peter 2:9, 10:
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

This is the error made! Are we to think that God sacrificed His Son The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY to reinstitute animal sacrifice??? Absolutely NOT!!!

Revelation 21 is the NT parallel to Ezekiel 40-48! We are told in many ways in the NT we believers:

*Are the temple of God (1 Corinthians 3:16, Ephesians 2:19-22, 1 Peter 2:4-6)

*Are LIVING SACRIFICES (Romans 12:1)

*Are the priesthood (1 Peter 2:9)

*Are God's People (regardless of Jew or Gentile)

*The only Jerusalem is the "Jerusalem Above" (Galatians 4:26)

This is what it truly is! Therefore...as stated any temple Israel builds (if they build one), and any sacrifices made in that temple...WILL BE ABOMINABLE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD.

HE GAVE JESUS ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! Hebrews 9:23-28 sums it up:
23 Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.
26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

NO SACRIFICE IS ACCEPTABLE AFTER CHRIST!!!

So let Israel try and build a temple...but God won't be there!!! :amen:

PhillipLaSpino · Dec 13, 2013

Biblewriter are you putting the Christian church in this scenario, or are you limiting it to the Jews who were promised an earthly kingdom?

I have studied this subject somewhat, but do have enough understanding concerning the difference between the earthly kingdom promised to the Jews; it having a temple in Jerusalem; they having been promised to be kings and priests to the rest of the Gentile world, with Christ as their King, and the 12 apostles shall rule with him, this for 1000 years.

Yes, there will be a Temple in Jerusalem, and there will be sacrifices made, and there will be an inner santuary where Christ rules as King and High Priest; a sanctuary where there will be no veil, no wall of seperation, no Ark of the Covenant, etc. but these things will be for the Jews and not the church. We Christian’s are promised a heavenly kingdom.

I believe these things will be in that 1000 year reign of Christ. After the 1000 years are over, everything changes, nothing including the heaven and earth as we know them will be the same.

We have to keep these promises made to the Jews separated from those made to Christians. Keep in mind, just before the 1000 years are over, Satan will be let loose for one final attempt to destroy the Jews, Jerusalem, and Christ's reign as King.

Not keeping these things seperated is the reason why so many are confussed about the rapture of the church, promises made to the O.T. prophets, Matt.24, and Revelation from chapter 4 on. The church is not included in any of these.

Your thoughts

Phil LaSpino

parousia70 · Dec 13, 2013

PhillipLaSpino said:
Yes, there will be a Temple in Jerusalem, and there will be sacrifices made, and there will be an inner santuary where Christ rules as King and High Priest;

Your thoughts

Phil LaSpino

So the Glorified Christ sits on a throne in Jerusalem and requires human beings to render blood animal sacrifices directly TO HIM for atonement of their sins?
Thus rendering His own "once for ALL" sacrifice on the cross null and void??

PhillipLaSpino · Dec 13, 2013

Parousia, than you had better explain everything Biblewriter wrote about, and also what other O.T. prophets meant by what they wrote concerning future prophecies for the Jews, Jerusalem, the land of Israel, and their Messiah?

Keep in mind, if you start making these things figurative, or symbolic, you had better have a proper explaination for whatever else is written in those passages, and they had better fit into the context of those passages.

Begin with this;

O.T. Jewish prophets writting to Jewish people who were under law, and under the temple sacrificial system, this is what they knew and understood. The messages given by them from God hasve to be understood by the people back in Ezekiel's, Jeremiah's etc., as to what was predicted for their future, not the churches, for there was no church!

Rev.20, "When the 1000 years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison. and shall go up to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth. --- the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (They, the armies) "compassed the camp of the saints (the Jews) about and the beloved city (Jerusalem

and fire came down from God (Jesus) out of heaven (where the church is also) and devoured them."

1000 years are over, Satan is turned loose, he gathers a great army (humans,) attacks Jerusalem, all are destroyed, and even the heavens and earth shall be melted away. Nothing remains concerning the works of man, beast, or satan, JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER rule from one throne.

I'm interested in what you have to say about the subject!

Phil LaSpino

ebedmelech · Dec 13, 2013

When you allow the NT apostles to explain the OT...you get answers. The question is...will you except those answers?

A prime example is what Paul says in this passage of Romans 2:28, 29:

28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Many Christians don accept that for what it says. The apostle Paul has just made the point that the true Jew is the person who is spiritually circumcised in their heart, by the Holy Spirit.

The apostle Paul further emphasizes this in Romans 9:6-8...where he says:
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;
7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.”
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

Once again the apostle is making the point there is a fleshly descendant of Abraham, and a spiritual descendant of Abraham...and he is saying the spiritual children ARE the ones regarded as descendants.

So when you know this...why would you keep thinking it's about a fleshly nation, when it's very clear it's about a spiritual nation?

This is what the NT teaches...so when one continues to try and focus on the earthly nation of Israel...they're on the wrong track!

The apostle Paul makes it very clear in Galatians 3:27-29:
27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

How hard is this principle to understand? This is very consistent throughout the NT...so why are people trying to keep the focus on Israel...when Christ came for ALL and HE MAKES NO DISTINCTION after the cross???

John makes this very clear in His gospel. John 1:12
11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

This is the point...it's not about Israel...but all people. Anyone coming to Christ regardless of race becomes HIS PEOPLE...the spiritual Jew/Israel!!!

parousia70 · Dec 13, 2013

PhillipLaSpino said:
Parousia, than you had better explain everything Biblewriter wrote about,

I just asked BW a question. He's the one with the 'splainin to do.

Keep in mind, if you start making these things figurative, or symbolic, you had better have a proper explaination for whatever else is written in those passages, and they had better fit into the context of those passages. .......I'm interested in what you have to say about the subject!

I just know that the teaching of a reinstitution of this blood animal sacrificial system is a rebuke against the blood of Jesus Christ, and a cause for anathema according to the apostles. A return to this system is a falling away from salvation, according to the apostles. A falling from the grace of Jesus Christ , which is why the notion that Christ Himself would require such a re institution is completely asinine.

PhillipLaSpino · Dec 13, 2013

Ededmelech, enjoyed your post, but I have two questions. Are you implying that their is, or is no fleshly Jews today? If your answer is yes there is; would you agree or not that the Lord is now, and will continue to deal with these unbelieving Jews? Yes or no to both questions!

Phil

Interplanner · Dec 13, 2013

There seems to be a sense in the OP that Israel is owed a fulfillment of this sort. It is not. Paul was trying to break through this limitation by explaining that the resurrection of Christ was the fulfillment of all that had been promised to the fathers. It was then the basis for a message to the nations, which is what Paul wanted Israel to do.

as for 'you will not think of the ark anymore,' I can think of a good reason for that!

re the groups in Rom 9-11. The Israel Paul is interested in exists by faith. He does not have a separate program for the ethnos. He is trying to explain that many from the ethnos don't have faith because it never was guaranteed or identical to the ethnos. Everything happens by faith. All of such "Israel" will be saved; the ethnos will be partly hardened until the end of time. the upside of that is that there will always be a believing part or remnant too, who are one with all believers.

ebedmelech · Dec 13, 2013

PhillipLaSpino said:
Ededmelech, enjoyed your post, but I have two questions. Are you implying that their is, or is no fleshly Jews today? If your answer is yes there is; would you agree or not that the Lord is now, and will continue to deal with these unbelieving Jews? Yes or no to both questions!

Phil

1. No. There are obviously fleshly Jews today and as Romans makes clear. God has been saving a remnant of Jews since the cross. We know the 12 were Jews, and Paul introduces himself as a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin. So indeed Jews are being saved..but under Christ Jews and Gentiles are one in Christ there's no distinction at the cross!

2. Yes. Romans 11 makes it very clear that when "the fullness of the Gentiles are saved" there will be an outpouring of the gospel on the Jews. They will come to Christ in great numbers too. Jews and Gentiles are "one olive tree"!

PhillipLaSpino · Dec 13, 2013

Parousia, how can the unbelieving Jews fall away if they had never received Jesus as their Messia? They never received the finish work of the cross. Therefore they have to be dealt with under the O.T. law, not the new and that would require the sacrifices Biblewriter wrote about.

Phil

PhillipLaSpino · Dec 13, 2013

Ebedmeleck, not going to get into the Olive tree today, but I agree with your comments;

Phil

PhillipLaSpino · Dec 13, 2013

Interplanner, until you understand that God is going to fulfill his O.T. promises of both blessing and curses upon the Jews and the land, you will never understand the marvelous work of the Lord. He has never made, nor will he make a promise that He will not bring to completion.

Keep in mind, we believing Gentiles have been grafted into the blessing of the believing Jews. We have not become the original branches, but the grafted in branches.

This truth also applies to unbelieving Jews and unbelieving Gentiles. These unbelieving Gentiles have been, and will continue to be grafted into the curses made to the unbelieving Jews for their unbelief.

Why can't you get that, it's so simple, even I understand it.

With quite authority the Christian church with the guidance with the Holy Spirit's oversite puts the finishing touches of an already finished work.

Phil

SG9 · Dec 13, 2013

Dear friends, I'd like to offer another POV that is to bring this prophecy up to date for our present day truth. All prophecies repeat but not in the same phenomenal manner, if it once came to pass as a literal and natural event it will be repeated spiritually and supernaturally the next time, and then repeat again naturally. They never repeat the same and I suppose that there's a good reason for this, so that mankind cannot see things that God might hide in a space of time than spans more than one generation. Changes are commonly un-noticed when they occur over a long stretch of time.

The idea is that the Temple that was once built by hands will not be built again but rather the earthly sanctuary's, which are the same as our bodily Temple's will be rebuilt. This Most Holy resides in the upper room portion of the Temple, which is our head and points to our mind's and is described as "Frontlets" in Bible terms. God writes His Law in us and our mind is our book where this Law is written and recorded. This Law is part of us and cannot be separated from us but it can be corrupted with another authoritative ruler of that Law that is in us, and this is what the False Christ takes authority over and renders another spirit and another order of the Law. This is also spirit possession of humans.

Now, the idea continues with animal sacrifices and sacrifices of beasts. The False Christ that is the abomination that causes the desolation's of the True Christ, and Christ who should be in the upper room-mind is cast off of the Throne and there sits this AC figure in our conscience mind that rules our body and dictates other behavioral traits that manifest outwardly, and this is their fruit that we might discern as either good or bad.

Those with the AC spirit are as beasts and animals in God's eye and they eat other as if cannibals of spirits. James 5:3 says this in a parable:
James 5:3
King James Version (KJV)
3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

The practices and works of the wicked become a witness against them and it eats them as it were fire; this is spiritual and concerns where we heap this stuff up for the last days. Men have conjured up lies to deny the Coming of Christ and so that they can continue living in this wicked world of sin indefinitely, and without notice, they don't want to know nor hear anything about the soon arrival of God in the Son of man because of the spirit that dictates to them another gospel that says Satan is their Prince and anything else is false. They know not what they do.

Now, as it were in the days of Noah when they were eating and drinking, I'll stop here to define the issue of food that concerns sacrifices only, the other stuff will confuse this point; The sixth commandment is debatable and I believe is watered down to allow the wicked practices to go un-noticed and while becoming more acceptable by the majority as time evolves towards the end of the time when this sacrificing will take place.

This other POV is concerning the actual eating of flesh, and this means any animal. Look at the recent introduction of other wild-beast meats that were not common foods in past times, and this is a sign of this evolution of man turning into spiritual cannibals by eating the flesh of animals. Man is blind to the spiritual repercussions and the prophecy in this manner. Thou shalt not "kill" is to protect all living beasts as they too are creatures that have the same right to life as humans.

In another sense, are we possibly doing the same when people steal the organs of another human just to sell for profit? Who buys these organs? What shall it profit a man if he loses his soul? We devour one another in such insane ways and can't see what we have become?

All of the practices and works of man is as the beast that destroys men's own self. Man brings his own end (paraphrased) [Rev 13:4]

So, with this pieced together we see an image of human beasts that have the AC spirit sitting in their Temple as God and all that they do is for that god, and they do as he commands them and they eat of God's creatures by eating of their flesh that becomes a sacrifice to the AC who sits in their upper room, their mind, which is heaven in this picture.

The world has become like them in the days of Noah, eating and drinking, both naturally and spiritually.

Thanks

Interplanner · Dec 13, 2013

Two questions BW never seems to answer for me.
1, is this restored worship system seen in a positive way or it is a 'trick' of an antichrist? Like the game "Othello" where a line that starts with a black chip and then has several white chips but can all be flipped to black by the final, I can only understand a restored worship system as a deception.
2, I simply can't understand excitement about this and at the same time no excitement that I know of about what Eph 2-3 actually say. Instead there are nearly screams of horror about Eph 2-3, the living, building, temple. Very puzzling.

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 13, 2013

parousia70 said:
So the Glorified Christ sits on a throne in Jerusalem and requires human beings to render blood animal sacrifices directly TO HIM for atonement of their sins?
Thus rendering His own "once for ALL" sacrifice on the cross null and void??

No silly, the Jews dont accept Christ, I thought you knew that..

They are going to build the temple to reinstate their ability to atone for sins. They are going to do this in error...

They dont know any other way to do this based on their beliefs outlined in the Torah.

You cant blame them any more than you can blame Aborigines in Australia for not accepting Christ..

The Jews just happened to be the key to the prophecy.

None of the prophecy says to watch for anything in the US does it?

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 13, 2013

SG9 said:
Dear friends, I'd like to offer another POV that is to bring this prophecy up to date for our present day truth. All prophecies repeat but not in the same phenomenal manner, if it once came to pass as a literal and natural event it will be repeated spiritually and supernaturally the next time, and then repeat again naturally. They never repeat the same and I suppose that there's a good reason for this, so that mankind cannot see things that God might hide in a space of time than spans more than one generation. Changes are commonly un-noticed when they occur over a long stretch of time.

The idea is that the Temple that was once built by hands will not be built again but rather the earthly sanctuary's, which are the same as our bodily Temple's will be rebuilt. This Most Holy resides in the upper room portion of the Temple, which is our head and points to our mind's and is described as "Frontlets" in Bible terms. God writes His Law in us and our mind is our book where this Law is written and recorded. This Law is part of us and cannot be separated from us but it can be corrupted with another authoritative ruler of that Law that is in us, and this is what the False Christ takes authority over and renders another spirit and another order of the Law. This is also spirit possession of humans.

Now, the idea continues with animal sacrifices and sacrifices of beasts. The False Christ that is the abomination that causes the desolation's of the True Christ, and Christ who should be in the upper room-mind is cast off of the Throne and there sits this AC figure in our conscience mind that rules our body and dictates other behavioral traits that manifest outwardly, and this is their fruit that we might discern as either good or bad.

Those with the AC spirit are as beasts and animals in God's eye and they eat other as if cannibals of spirits. James 5:3 says this in a parable:
James 5:3
King James Version (KJV)
3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

The practices and works of the wicked become a witness against them and it eats them as it were fire; this is spiritual and concerns where we heap this stuff up for the last days. Men have conjured up lies to deny the Coming of Christ and so that they can continue living in this wicked world of sin indefinitely, and without notice, they don't want to know nor hear anything about the soon arrival of God in the Son of man because of the spirit that dictates to them another gospel that says Satan is their Prince and anything else is false. They know not what they do.

Now, as it were in the days of Noah when they were eating and drinking, I'll stop here to define the issue of food that concerns sacrifices only, the other stuff will confuse this point; The sixth commandment is debatable and I believe is watered down to allow the wicked practices to go un-noticed and while becoming more acceptable by the majority as time evolves towards the end of the time when this sacrificing will take place.

This other POV is concerning the actual eating of flesh, and this means any animal. Look at the recent introduction of other wild-beast meats that were not common foods in past times, and this is a sign of this evolution of man turning into spiritual cannibals by eating the flesh of animals. Man is blind to the spiritual repercussions and the prophecy in this manner. Thou shalt not "kill" is to protect all living beasts as they too are creatures that have the same right to life as humans.

In another sense, are we possibly doing the same when people steal the organs of another human just to sell for profit? Who buys these organs? What shall it profit a man if he loses his soul? We devour one another in such insane ways and can't see what we have become?

All of the practices and works of man is as the beast that destroys men's own self. Man brings his own end (paraphrased) [Rev 13:4]

So, with this pieced together we see an image of human beasts that have the AC spirit sitting in their Temple as God and all that they do is for that god, and they do as he commands them and they eat of God's creatures by eating of their flesh that becomes a sacrifice to the AC who sits in their upper room, their mind, which is heaven in this picture.

The world has become like them in the days of Noah, eating and drinking, both naturally and spiritually.

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xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 13, 2013

ebedmelech said:
2. Yes. Romans 11 makes it very clear that when "the fullness of the Gentiles are saved" there will be an outpouring of the gospel on the Jews. They will come to Christ in great numbers too. Jews and Gentiles are "one olive tree"!

So has the "fullness" of the Gentiles been realized?

So you accept that the Jews will be given in Spirit to come over to our way of thinking?

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 13, 2013

PhillipLaSpino said:
Parousia, than you had better explain everything Biblewriter wrote about, and also what other O.T. prophets meant by what they wrote concerning future prophecies for the Jews, Jerusalem, the land of Israel, and their Messiah?

Keep in mind, if you start making these things figurative, or symbolic, you had better have a proper explaination for whatever else is written in those passages, and they had better fit into the context of those passages.

Begin with this;

O.T. Jewish prophets writting to Jewish people who were under law, and under the temple sacrificial system, this is what they knew and understood. The messages given by them from God hasve to be understood by the people back in Ezekiel's, Jeremiah's etc., as to what was predicted for their future, not the churches, for there was no church!

Rev.20, "When the 1000 years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison. and shall go up to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth. --- the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (They, the armies) "compassed the camp of the saints (the Jews) about and the beloved city (Jerusalem and fire came down from God (Jesus) out of heaven (where the church is also) and devoured them."

1000 years are over, Satan is turned loose, he gathers a great army (humans,) attacks Jerusalem, all are destroyed, and even the heavens and earth shall be melted away. Nothing remains concerning the works of man, beast, or satan, JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER rule from one throne.

I'm interested in what you have to say about the subject!

Phil LaSpino

Preterists dont offer rebuttals, they just throw a muddled handful of verses at prophecy and say "see" Im right!

Dont waste your time, let them post exactly how they are doing, we want that for the others who are reading, remember..

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