Strong Evidence for the Peleg state change

AV1611VET · Dec 5, 2013

Ginger123 said:
The moon is dehydrated water left over from the flood,

Is that why scientists called them "seas"?

Ginger123 said:
where else could the flood waters go Pluto?

To Mars, of course.

Didn't scientists discover polar ice caps and canals on Mars?

(Please answer this.)

Ginger123 · Dec 5, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Is that why scientists called them "seas"?

To Mars, of course.

Didn't scientists discover polar ice caps and canals on Mars?

I have no idea but I did read somewhere that they think there is a lot of water on Titan one of Saturn's moons.

As we're talking about moons what do you think of that cow they say jumped over the moon? do you believe that?
myself I find that hard to believe unless there was a god involved of course then all bets are off.

Kylie · Dec 5, 2013

Aman777 said:
Dear Kylie, Correction: YOUR interpretation of what Genesis is saying is what is provably wrong. When you understand Genesis, you will see that ONLY God could have possibly known the things He reveals there.

If there are so many different interpretations, how can we know that we ever get it right?

No. Not at all. I just explained to you that Christians are those who believe in the Gospel of Jesus. Since there are thousands of religious stories out there, I prefer those which agree with EVERY other discovered Truth. I am very leary of those who CLAIM that only their group is correct.

So they all have differing viewpoints, but they're all right. Even when they contradict each other. "Genesis 1 is literal!" "No, it's metaphorical!" "Hey guys, you're BOTH right!" "Gee, I guess we are!" Come on. Wars have started over things like this.

Humans were made Billions of years ago on another world. Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. Like Cain, on Adam's earth, they married and passed the Human intelligence of Adam to the offspring of this union. Today's Humans are the Offspring.

Um, okay.

Seriously, do you know how bizarre that sounds? And have you got ANY evidence at all, or is this just speculation?

That is WHY we have the unique high intelligence level, when compared to the sons of God (prehistoric People), which ONLY God and Adam have.

Sure,. I'd like to send you back in time to live with the stone age prehistoric people, find out how long it is before you and your smarts are dead from a predator attack, or exposure. Can you make a fire without any tools? Because even stone age man could do that.

We also contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes because pure Human blood was contaminated with the blood of prehistoric people who DID evolve from the common ancestor of Apes. We lost 90% of our lifespans because of this, but it's all according to God's perfect Plan revealed to those who can read and understand it.

So show me the parts that come from the other side of the family tree. Where's the DNA from the Pure Human side?

Genetics cannot measure human intelligence levels since they are inherited only from Adam, the first human, are are totally invisible.

Invisible. How convenient.

Because Jesus made it impossible for humankind to evolve across kinds. Humans were FIRST made, Before any other living creature. Genesis 2:4-7 Those creatures, which were made from the water change or evolve within their kinds. That is the kinds Jesus made with His own Hands.

All the evidence from the real world disagrees with you. And between you and the real world, I'm going with the real world every time.

The Bible is True to every discovery of Science, but it is not a textbook on sharks and dolphins. It leaves such trivial matters to those who THINK they know more than God.

So you can't.

I will when you show me the Scientific Truth of How and When we magically evolved from animal to human intelligence. Hint: It happened in ONE Generation, and did NOT take Millions of years of gradual time and positive mutations to change people with animal intelligence into people with Human intelligence.

So you can't.

Sure I do and there is no contradiction. Nothing is limiting the change which evolution shows because it is adaptation within His kinds. Jesus sets the limit over which creature evolves and which one stays the same, like Humans, which Science tells us is getting worse and not better, in complete accord with God's Holy Word. 2Ti 3:13

Nice passage, talking about sticking with things that you can learn. But the rest of what you say is pure speculation. Unless you;d care to show me evidence for it? (Now you'll say that you will, but first you want me to show you such-and-such.)

Sure and I will comment in Bold.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,

The giants are intellectual giants as the end of the verse shows.

I'm sorry, where does it say they were intellectual giants?

Notice the and also after that, which is Prophecy that what happened on Adam's Earth, producing intellectual giants, will happen again, and also after that.

How do you get this? Four words do not make it into a prophecy.

The Prophecy was fulfilled with Noah's grandsons married and produced intellectual gianst on our Planet. Today's Humans are the giants which fulfill the prophecy of and also after that.

So you reinterpret the passage so you can fit it into what you have already decided is true. That's the way to do it, isn't it?

when the sons of God (Prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men,(Heb-Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This is Scriptural proof of changes within kinds. The prehistoric people changed from the animal kind to the Human kind. It happened on the first Earth and our Earth, showing it's that way all over the Universe.

I want real world proof. Aesop's fables is proof that foxes and lions and the wind can talk.

What is exciting is that God told us this thousands of years ago, and today's science is just now beginning to understand Genesis.

There is nothing scientific in the Bible that could not be known by the people living at the time it was written.

Sorry, but today's all knowing scientists are totally ignorant of anything BEFORE the Big Bang. It's because they have rejected the best and ONLY evidence of the formation of Humans Billions of years BEFORE our Solar System was completely formed. IOW, your "real world" evidence is NON-existent showing that your "real world" is unaware of what is real.

More claims, still no support for them.

No it doesn't, since there is NO real world evidence of How and When prehistoric people evolved their human intelligence APART from the birth process. Nature does NOT produce evolutionary changes APART from the birth canal. Such False Theories presume that long periods of time and mutations work MAGIC by changing Apes into Humans. There is NO evidence of this Magic happening. If you have some evidence, then post it, but both of us know that you do NOT.

Let me ask you this. If I post evidence of the development of culture, will you actually look at it? Because I get the feeling that you will just say, "No no no, that doesn't count because <<insert some wild unsupported reason here>>!"

Not so, since the ruins of these cities confirm what is written in Genesis 10. IOW, it's EMPIRICAL evidence of the FIRST human activity such as farming, city building, math, and every other modern Human trait on our Earth. Don't believe me? Then post another Human city which is older than those listed in Genesis 10 and CONFIRMED by History, and the evidence left by Noah's descendants. You CANNOT.

The the fact that the Korean War took place is proof that the TV show M*A*S*H is true. How about that.

I cannot make ignorant scientists, who worship at the Altar of Evolutionism, tell us HOW they arrived at their false position. IOW, it's their False "belief" that humans originated on this Earth. The InComplete, unsupported, ToE knows NOTHING about Humans true origin.

Oh please. The way they arrived at their conclusions is there for all to see. It's called Peer Review. Scientists don't make claims and then refuse to support them.

Except by God's Holy Word, which is the best and ONLY evidence, since today's Science rejects God's Truth in favor of man's false assumptions.

If they are false assumptions, why do they work so well? That computer you are using operates on the false assumptions of man!

That's your false view which is caused by the Lies of the ToE, which does NOT know of the world that THEN WAS, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:5

Where's your real world evidence?

Then correct me Scientifically IF you think you can. All you have to do is show us your Superior Intelligence which allows you to see into the past and tell us what happened Billions of years BEFORE our Earth was even made. In the end, you MUST claim ignorance or show us HOW you know more than God. God Bless you.

Here you go:
Welcome to Evolution 101!

I bet you don't read it.

dad · Dec 6, 2013

KTS said:
Any instance will do.

"Radio-active samarium transforms to neodymium with a half-life of 106 billion years. These elements have been used to determine the age of the Stillwater Complex,"

Dating rocks with radioactivity

You were not there to see it transform that long ago. So maybe neodymium was here at the onset of this state. How could you prove otherwise??

The only way we would be able to see the ratios between parent and daughter material that we actually see is if the parent material had been decaying for millions of years.

Not true. That is only true IF the daughter material all came to exist BY decay! aLL WE KNOW IS THAT SOME OF IT DID!

If the length of time available for decay was different, we would see different ratios.

fALSE! Time is irrelevant if the daughter was here already. It would only be relevant since this state came to exist...probably 4400 plus years ago.

Kylie · Dec 6, 2013

dad said:
"Radio-active samarium transforms to neodymium with a half-life of 106 billion years. These elements have been used to determine the age of the Stillwater Complex,"

Dating rocks with radioactivity

You were not there to see it transform that long ago. So maybe neodymium was here at the onset of this state. How could you prove otherwise??

Well, don't you think it's amazing that EVeRYWHERE on the planet where we see samarium decay to neodymium, we find it in EXACTLY the right ratios to suggest it had decayed over millions of years?

What's your explanation for this?

Not true. That is only true IF the daughter material all came to exist BY decay! aLL WE KNOW IS THAT SOME OF IT DID!

Again, I ask you: why do we see it in exactly the right ratios then?

fALSE! Time is irrelevant if the daughter was here already. It would only be relevant since this state came to exist...probably 4400 plus years ago.

If the daughter material was already here, it would not be in the correct ratios that we see. How do you explain the fact that it is ALWAYS in the right ratios to be explained by radioactive decay? Stop dancing around the issue and answer the question!

dad · Dec 6, 2013

KTS said:
Well, don't you think it's amazing that EVeRYWHERE on the planet where we see samarium decay to neodymium, we find it in EXACTLY the right ratios to suggest it had decayed over millions of years?

Not at all. Of course it would. But look at the time involved. It is what millions or billions of years? How would you know if there was already the neodymium here at the start of this present state (44-4500 years ago)? Of course once it is here it would have to follow the forces and laws in place. If the laws were not here before, pray tell, why would you claim any decay??

If you do have evidence for a same state past, and decay, great. I can change my ideas. If not, well, let's hope your ideas can change.

Again, I ask you: why do we see it in exactly the right ratios then?

Right??? Show us what makes it right? I see nothing wrong with the amounts. If you mean why do they align with old age imaginary dates gotten other ways if we correlate, adjust, and use circular reasoning on the evidence enough...that is another issue!

If the daughter material was already here, it would not be in the correct ratios that we see.

?? Yes it would, of course. This state does not make the ratios correct! All science has done is LOOK at the ratios and the forces and processes in place now, and assume that this present state was responsible for all the daughter stuff. Naturally a pattern would have existed, and materials, doing whatever they would have done in a state with different laws. Once the present state came to exist, all things here would start to behave accordingly. It was not some freak, random change.

How do you explain the fact that it is ALWAYS in the right ratios to be explained by radioactive decay?

If all you ever use TO explain the ratios IS decay, the real question is how could it NOT be 'right'!!!!!!!??

Stop dancing around the issue and answer the question!

Rockin around the Christmas tree.....

Kylie · Dec 7, 2013

dad said:
Not at all. Of course it would. But look at the time involved. It is what millions or billions of years? How would you know if there was already the neodymium here at the start of this present state (44-4500 years ago)? Of course once it is here it would have to follow the forces and laws in place. If the laws were not here before, pray tell, why would you claim any decay??

If you do have evidence for a same state past, and decay, great. I can change my ideas. If not, well, let's hope your ideas can change.

You seem to be incapable of comprehending what I say. My claim is not that decay must be correct because the daughter material is there. My claim is that it is correct because the daughter material is there IN EXACTLY THE RIGHT QUANTITIES THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IF DECAY HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.

Right??? Show us what makes it right? I see nothing wrong with the amounts. If you mean why do they align with old age imaginary dates gotten other ways if we correlate, adjust, and use circular reasoning on the evidence enough...that is another issue!

It's a bit rich for you to ask me that when you have provided nothing to support your position. Show us what makes your position right.

?? Yes it would, of course. This state does not make the ratios correct! All science has done is LOOK at the ratios and the forces and processes in place now, and assume that this present state was responsible for all the daughter stuff. Naturally a pattern would have existed, and materials, doing whatever they would have done in a state with different laws. Once the present state came to exist, all things here would start to behave accordingly. It was not some freak, random change.

Oh please. We can look at how a material decays today and use this to determine how much of the parent and daughter materials would be left after a certain period of time.

If all you ever use TO explain the ratios IS decay, the real question is how could it NOT be 'right'!!!!!!!??

lol, grammatical error leaves you supporting me.

Rockin around the Christmas tree.....

This is about the quality of response I've come to expect from you.

dad · Dec 7, 2013

KTS said:
You seem to be incapable of comprehending what I say. My claim is not that decay must be correct because the daughter material is there. My claim is that it is correct because the daughter material is there IN EXACTLY THE RIGHT QUANTITIES THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IF DECAY HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.

Irrelevant! That is the only way you can explain it using the present state!!!! Get it?

It's a bit rich for you to ask me that when you have provided nothing to support your position. Show us what makes your position right.

I have no problem with any isotopes! If you claim some are special and help you in some way, show us. What sort of pauper case do you have, to where you can't defend it??

Oh please. We can look at how a material decays today and use this to determine how much of the parent and daughter materials would be left after a certain period of time.

Ha!!!!! You admitted it!!! Thanks for that. You look at the present state and how things work...and nothing else! Of course things NOW decay.

lol, grammatical error leaves you supporting me.

No error, if you use just one belief for models, they must be right to you.

Just admit total defeat, and let's move on.

Aman777 · Dec 7, 2013

That is WHY we have the unique high intelligence level, when compared to the sons of God (prehistoric People), which ONLY God and Adam have.

Sure,. I'd like to send you back in time to live with the stone age prehistoric people, find out how long it is before you and your smarts are dead from a predator attack, or exposure. Can you make a fire without any tools? Because even stone age man could do that.

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Dear Kylie, I agree that it's fine to study prehistoric people and find out why few of them lived to be above 30 years of age. I would probably freeze within a few days, but that has NOTHING to do with the Fact that I would be a Giant among them, intellectually. This is because AFTER millions of years of evolution, they didn't have enough sense to grow themselves something to eat, or build a house.

We also contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes because pure Human blood was contaminated with the blood of prehistoric people who DID evolve from the common ancestor of Apes. We lost 90% of our lifespans because of this, but it's all according to God's perfect Plan revealed to those who can read and understand it.

So show me the parts that come from the other side of the family tree. Where's the DNA from the Pure Human side?

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It's mixed up with the blood of the sons of God who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. The Pure Human side is found in our high intelligence level, which is like God's and Adam's. Genesis 3:22 Everytime you reply, you reveal that you are a Human since NO animals post. It's because animals don't have the intelligence necessary. Only Humans post.

Genetics cannot measure human intelligence levels since they are inherited only from Adam, the first human, are are totally invisible.

Invisible. How convenient.

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It's a scientific fact. The best way we can measure intelligence today is through I.Q. tests. Some "so called" scientists tell us they can measure WHEN we magically evolved our human intelligence. They set the date at some 195k years ago. They run and hide when you ask them WHY these fully human people didn't have enough sense to plant themselves something to eat for 185k years.

What it reveals is that NATURE does NOT produce human intelligence in Apes, no matter HOW much tim,e nor how many mutations, you give it. That's because Nature is a concept and not a thinking, planning, being with intelligence to pass on to others.

Human intelligence MUST be inherited from one of Adam's descendants.

Because Jesus made it impossible for humankind to evolve across kinds. Humans were FIRST made, Before any other living creature. Genesis 2:4-7 Those creatures, which were made from the water change or evolve within their kinds. That is the kinds Jesus made with His own Hands.

All the evidence from the real world disagrees with you. And between you and the real world, I'm going with the real world every time.

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Then go ahead and follow the world instead of God's Holy Word. In the end, it will be your free choice of where you spend Eternity.

>>>>>BIG SNIP of atheistic foolishness<<<<<

Sure and I will comment in Bold.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,

The giants are intellectual giants as the end of the verse shows.

I'm sorry, where does it say they were intellectual giants?

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Go back and read the last verse I posted again, since it tells you the end of the verse shows this. Here is the end of the verse. "the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Giants don't become mighty men and men of renown because they are large. Men become mighty men, men of renown because they are intellectual giants when compared to their prehistoric parent who was NOT a descendant of Adam.

This verse shows the evolution of people, whose origin was in the water, changing into humans with the higher intelligence level which ONLY Adam and God have. Genesis 3:22

Notice the and also after that, which is Prophecy that what happened on Adam's Earth, producing intellectual giants, will happen again, and also after that.

How do you get this? Four words do not make it into a prophecy.

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How would you know? It's obvious you reject God's Truth. Right?

The Prophecy was fulfilled with Noah's grandsons married and produced intellectual gianst on our Planet. Today's Humans are the giants which fulfill the prophecy of and also after that.

So you reinterpret the passage so you can fit it into what you have already decided is true. That's the way to do it, isn't it?

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Since that is what happened, I must agree. I was an Evol trying to prove the Bible wrong. God proved me wrong. You are also wrong, but sometimes seem to choose Satan's way to God's.

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In Love,
Aman

Kylie · Dec 8, 2013

dad said:
Irrelevant! That is the only way you can explain it using the present state!!!! Get it?

Typical. You don't understand something (or refuse to understand something) so you dismiss it as irrelevant.

I have no problem with any isotopes! If you claim some are special and help you in some way, show us. What sort of pauper case do you have, to where you can't defend it??

Already have. And I've asked you a question which your little idea is totally unable to explain. Since you have no explanation, you are wrong.

Ha!!!!! You admitted it!!! Thanks for that. You look at the present state and how things work...and nothing else! Of course things NOW decay.

That's because this state is the only state there was. IOf you disagree, explain to me how we have millions of years worth of decay if things have only been decaying for a few thousand years.

No error, if you use just one belief for models, they must be right to you.

No, they must be right with regards to reality. You have nothing from reality supporting you.

Just admit total defeat, and let's move on.

The pigeon never wins, dad. Neither have you. You haven't come close to defeating me. You've still gotta answer that question, don't you?

Nithavela · Dec 8, 2013

KTS said:
TThe pigeon never wins, dad. Neither have you.

Neither does the one who plays against the pidgeon.

Kylie · Dec 8, 2013

Aman777 said:
That is WHY we have the unique high intelligence level, when compared to the sons of God (prehistoric People), which ONLY God and Adam have.

Unsupported claim. How have you determined the intelligence of prehistoric man?

Dear Kylie, I agree that it's fine to study prehistoric people and find out why few of them lived to be above 30 years of age. I would probably freeze within a few days, but that has NOTHING to do with the Fact that I would be a Giant among them, intellectually. This is because AFTER millions of years of evolution, they didn't have enough sense to grow themselves something to eat, or build a house.

Source please.

It's mixed up with the blood of the sons of God who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. The Pure Human side is found in our high intelligence level, which is like God's and Adam's. Genesis 3:22 Everytime you reply, you reveal that you are a Human since NO animals post. It's because animals don't have the intelligence necessary. Only Humans post.

Is this really your argument? Humans have computers, therefore God?

It's a scientific fact. The best way we can measure intelligence today is through I.Q. tests. Some "so called" scientists tell us they can measure WHEN we magically evolved our human intelligence. They set the date at some 195k years ago. They run and hide when you ask them WHY these fully human people didn't have enough sense to plant themselves something to eat for 185k years.

What it reveals is that NATURE does NOT produce human intelligence in Apes, no matter HOW much tim,e nor how many mutations, you give it. That's because Nature is a concept and not a thinking, planning, being with intelligence to pass on to others.

You are introducing bias. Dismissing something as "magical" in order to show that it should be dismissed. Try again.

Human intelligence MUST be inherited from one of Adam's descendants.

Um, I think you might want to check what you wrote. From one of Adam's descendants? How then did Adam get it?

Because Jesus made it impossible for humankind to evolve across kinds. Humans were FIRST made, Before any other living creature. Genesis 2:4-7 Those creatures, which were made from the water change or evolve within their kinds. That is the kinds Jesus made with His own Hands.

Then go ahead and follow the world instead of God's Holy Word. In the end, it will be your free choice of where you spend Eternity.

Well, if I follow God's word of Genesis chapter 1, it still says you are wrong.

>>>>>BIG SNIP of atheistic foolishness<<<<<

So you can't tell me why a shark is related to a dolphin through a distant common ancestor, despite your claim that God can tell us why living things have those relationships.

And you can't tell me where in the Bible it states that "the cells within our bodies cannot live without liquid water," despite the fact that you claimed such knowlege was in the Bible.

And you can't explain to me where in the Bible Jesus set limits on evolution, nor can you describe what these alleged limits are.

And you just dismiss all this as "atheistic foolishness." That's nice.

Go back and read the last verse I posted again, since it tells you the end of the verse shows this. Here is the end of the verse. "the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Giants don't become mighty men and men of renown because they are large. Men become mighty men, men of renown because they are intellectual giants when compared to their prehistoric parent who was NOT a descendant of Adam.

So you just assume that "men of renown" must apply to their intellects rather than their physical strength (despite the fact that the vast majority of "men of renown" today are sports stars).

This verse shows the evolution of people, whose origin was in the water, changing into humans with the higher intelligence level which ONLY Adam and God have. Genesis 3:22

I'm sorry, but WHERE in the Bible does it say that humanity's origin was in the water?

How would you know? It's obvious you reject God's Truth. Right?

This is not an explanation. Explain how this is a prophecy.

Since that is what happened, I must agree. I was an Evol trying to prove the Bible wrong. God proved me wrong. You are also wrong, but sometimes seem to choose Satan's way to God's.

First of all, I love that term "Evol." You make it sound just the same as "evil" because you just want to make our position look as bad as you can, doncha. How lovely of you. I can feel the Christian love.

Secondly, your logic is just... well, it's not logic at all. All you are saying is, "That's how it was, therefore that's how it was." Circular logic. It falls apart so easily. Got anything better or is that it?

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Let's see what you snipped.

I said that I wanted proof from the real world that "the sons of God (Prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men,(Heb-Adam) and they bare children to them." After all, if you only have old stories, that doesn't prove anything, does it? Yet you ignore me. Why? Is it because you can't provide that proof?

I said there is nothing scientific in the Bible that could not be known by the people living at the time it was written. You have ignored it rather than show me something from the Bible that is clearly something that people couldn't have known.

You then claimed without support that scientists were ignorant of what came before the Big Bang, seemingly unaware of the fact that since the Big Bang was the beginning of everything - even time! - that there was no before the Big Bang!

I then asked you "I post evidence of the development of culture, will you actually look at it? Because I get the feeling that you will just say, "No no no, that doesn't count because <<insert some wild unsupported reason here>>!"" You ignored me. Could it be that you don't want to look at any such evidence? Surely the evidence from the real world will match what you say if what you say is correct, yes?

I also said that just because some things in the Bible stories are true doesn't mean that all of it is true, using the TV show M*A*S*H as an analogy. You ignored this and decided not to show why this reasoning is flawed.

You then blatantly told falsehoods about scientists by comparing what they believe from evidence to a religion (although I'm unsure why you would think that comparing something to a religious belief would discredit that thing, as it would also tend to discredit your own beliefs).

I then asked you how what you called the "false assumptions" of science actually provide results that are useful. You decided not to answer. I get the feeling that it's because you can't explain at all why a flawed system would produce correct results.

You then claimed that the world was destroyed by a flood, for which I asked you to provide evidence from the real world. You have not produced such evidence.

You then DEMANDED I show you evidence for evolution, which I did (and predicted that you would not read it). You have not replied to it, thus proving me right when I said you would not read it.

In Love,
Aman

So, lemme get this straight...

You make claims that you insist are correct, despite never producing real world evidence for them
You dismiss my claims, despite the fact that I do provide real world evidence for them
You claim science is wrong, despite the fact that you cannot show how
You dismiss my valid points by waving them away
You call my religious viewpoint "foolishness" (which is a big no no, if I have read the rules correctly. what would happen if I referred to your beliefs as Christian foolishness?)
You demand I produce evidence for evolution, which you then ignore totally

And you then claim you write in love? Forgive me, but I do not see any love in the way you respond to me.

Aman777 · Dec 8, 2013

KTS said:
Aman:>><<<<<<<<<<Big Snip of Atheistic views<<<<<<

Let's see what you snipped.

I said that I wanted proof from the real world that "the sons of God (Prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men,(Heb-Adam) and they bare children to them." After all, if you only have old stories, that doesn't prove anything, does it? Yet you ignore me. Why? Is it because you can't provide that proof?

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Dear Kylie, No, but it's the BEST and ONLY evidence available and it makes common sense UNLESS you can tell us HOW and WHEN apes evolved into humans. I must warn you that it happened in ONE generation.

I said there is nothing scientific in the Bible that could not be known by the people living at the time it was written. You have ignored it rather than show me something from the Bible that is clearly something that people couldn't have known.

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Genesis is Scientifically correct revealing that ONLY God knew these things and got them correct scientifically thousands of years before Science. ONLY God knew:

We live in a Multiverse. Genesis 1:6-8 and Genesis 2:4
The Big Bang of our Cosmos was on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4
All living things were made from the water on the FIFTH Day. Genesis 1:21
The Stars did not light until Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang on the FOURTH Day. Genesis 1:16
Today's Humans are a combination of Adam's superior intelligence AND the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes (sons of God) Genesis 6:4

That is the PROOF that the sons of God (prehistoric man) evolved into today's Humans when they married and produced children with Adam's descendants on this planet. It's the ONLY way to produce Human intelligence in prehistoric man, UNLESS you can enlighten us of another way.

You then claimed without support that scientists were ignorant of what came before the Big Bang, seemingly unaware of the fact that since the Big Bang was the beginning of everything - even time! - that there was no before the Big Bang!

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Since the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day, read Genesis 1:1-Genesis 1:8 to read of the other Days or Ages (some 9 Billion years) BEFORE the Big Bang. It is the ONLY evidence of a time which today's Science is totallly ignorant of.

I then asked you "I post evidence of the development of culture, will you actually look at it? Because I get the feeling that you will just say, "No no no, that doesn't count because <<insert some wild unsupported reason here>>!"" You ignored me. Could it be that you don't want to look at any such evidence? Surely the evidence from the real world will match what you say if what you say is correct, yes?

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Absolutely. Human culture began just south of Lake Van in the mountains of Ararat in PERFECT agreement with Scripture and History. This PROVES that Noah brought human intelligence to this Planet. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE The only disagreement comes from the False Theory of Evolution.

I also said that just because some things in the Bible stories are true doesn't mean that all of it is true, using the TV show M*A*S*H as an analogy. You ignored this and decided not to show why this reasoning is flawed.

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It is because you are trying to equate the author of a man made TV show to the account of the Creation of 3 Heavens, by God Himself. Do you have no shame? You seem to believe men MORE than God. So did Lucifer.

You then blatantly told falsehoods about scientists by comparing what they believe from evidence to a religion (although I'm unsure why you would think that comparing something to a religious belief would discredit that thing, as it would also tend to discredit your own beliefs).

I then asked you how what you called the "false assumptions" of science actually provide results that are useful. You decided not to answer. I get the feeling that it's because you can't explain at all why a flawed system would produce correct results.

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It's because today's Science has rejected God's Truth in Genesis. For the last 150+ years, men have claimed the Bible to be Myth, Allegory, and Fiction and actually believed that Science knows more than God. They have ignored the Fact that God told us we live in a Multiverse and so have remained in the darkness of their own minds for thousands of years.

I try to help them out, but they refuse to accept anything but a man's opinion, an educated Scientist, like themselves, who continues to REJECT God Truth. Now, that's circular reasoning.

You then claimed that the world was destroyed by a flood, for which I asked you to provide evidence from the real world. You have not produced such evidence.

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Tell us HOW and WHEN Apes evolved the Human intelligence of Adam apart from the birth canal. You CANNOT since evolution is measured by the changes brought about from the birth canal.

You then DEMANDED I show you evidence for evolution, which I did (and predicted that you would not read it). You have not replied to it, thus proving me right when I said you would not read it.

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That's because I have spent the last 17 years debating with College Professors, people with Masters in Geology and PhDs in Physics, and Evols who knew much more than you, so I feel insulted that you would ask me to read Evolution 101. I was an Evol BEFORE I read Genesis. I believe the ONLY reason you posted it was to try and show that YOU know more than me. That is Ridiculous, since you don't even know what Day it is.

So, lemme get this straight...

You make claims that you insist are correct, despite never producing real world evidence for them

You dismiss my claims, despite the fact that I do provide real world evidence for them

You claim science is wrong, despite the fact that you cannot show how

You dismiss my valid points by waving them away

You call my religious viewpoint "foolishness" (which is a big no no, if I have read the rules correctly. what would happen if I referred to your beliefs as Christian foolishness?)

You demand I produce evidence for evolution, which you then ignore totally

And you then claim you write in love? Forgive me, but I do not see any love in the way you respond to me.

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Some close with In Christ. I close with In Love, because God is Love and I am In Christ eternally, and Jesus IS God, physically. God bless you.

In Love,
Aman

dad · Dec 8, 2013

KTS said:
Typical. You don't understand something (or refuse to understand something) so you dismiss it as irrelevant.

If there was something you understood about anything remotely connected to the facts about radioactive decay, we would all be reading it.

Already have. And I've asked you a question which your little idea is totally unable to explain. Since you have no explanation, you are wrong.

Then you are busted. If all you do is look at the laws in place, which result in certain processes, then you must be able to address when those laws started, and whether this present state was involved in the far past as you blindly believe.

That's because this state is the only state there was.

Behold, lurkers. This is the essence of her claims. Childish babble.

IOf you disagree, explain to me how we have millions of years worth of decay if things have only been decaying for a few thousand years.

That is a claim you cannot support. I would like to see you prove that anything anywhere was undergoing radioactive decay at all in the far past!? That should be easy.

When one looks at ancient history, and sees how spirits were a part of life on earth and how long lifespans are recorded, one should ask if nature really was identical. When we read the bible, it becomes clear that the events of creation week, and the flood year REQUIRE a different nature.

Finally, when we see (as you help display) the abject and comedic failure of science to be able to even address the issue of what state existed in the past, it becomes unreasonable to doubt the record of Good and man.

Kylie · Dec 8, 2013

Dad, why do we see that the ratio of parent and daughter materials is exactly what they'd be if they have been decaying for millions of years?

Kylie · Dec 8, 2013

Aman777 said:
Dear Kylie, No, but it's the BEST and ONLY evidence available and it makes common sense UNLESS you can tell us HOW and WHEN apes evolved into humans. I must warn you that it happened in ONE generation.

If you think evolution says the transition from ape to Human must have happened in one generation, then you are very very wrong. How can you dismiss evolution if you don't even know what it is?

Genesis is Scientifically correct revealing that ONLY God knew these things and got them correct scientifically thousands of years before Science. ONLY God knew:

Okay, let's have a look...

We live in a Multiverse. Genesis 1:6-8 and Genesis 2:4

Genesis 1:6-8:
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Genesis 2:4
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

How do either of these refer to a multiverse? Maybe you should start by actually defining the term multiverse. And then show how science has shown that a multiverse exists.

The Big Bang of our Cosmos was on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4

Genesis 2:4
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

How does this describe the Big Bang? I see nothing about a rapid expansion, nor any of the other things science tells us the Big Bang was like.

All living things were made from the water on the FIFTH Day. Genesis 1:21

1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forthabundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Which is why Christians were claiming that all life came from the water long befoe science did, of course. In any case, you are ignoring Genesis 1:24 which states that many animals came from the earth, not the water. How do you reconcile this? Surely you don't just pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe?

1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

The Stars did not light until Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang on the FOURTH Day. Genesis 1:16

1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

These are different lights to the ones he made in 1:14 to show signs and seasons? Well, if the 1:14 lights were the sun or moon or stars, what were they?

And the verse hardly shows that they were created millions of years after the Big Bang. Christians throughout the ages have been saying that all this happened only a few thousand years ago. If the Bible was so clear on this, why have so many Christians held the wrong idea?

Today's Humans are a combination of Adam's superior intelligence AND the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes (sons of God) Genesis 6:4

6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Once again, I ask you to provide a single shred of testable scientific evidence. All you've done is make the claim.

That is the PROOF that the sons of God (prehistoric man) evolved into today's Humans when they married and produced children with Adam's descendants on this planet. It's the ONLY way to produce Human intelligence in prehistoric man, UNLESS you can enlighten us of another way.

No it is not proof. It is claims that you are basing on your interpretation of an old book. You have yet to show us the book is correct. You have yet to show us that your interpretation of that book is correct. And you are yet to provide even the smallest bit of real world evidence to support your viewpoint.

Since the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day, read Genesis 1:1-Genesis 1:8 to read of the other Days or Ages (some 9 Billion years) BEFORE the Big Bang. It is the ONLY evidence of a time which today's Science is totallly ignorant of.

Since the big bang was the beginning of time, how can you have years before the Big Bang?

Absolutely. Human culture began just south of Lake Van in the mountains of Ararat in PERFECT agreement with Scripture and History. This PROVES that Noah brought human intelligence to this Planet. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE The only disagreement comes from the False Theory of Evolution.

How do you explain Humans using tools 100,000 years ago? SOURCE

And human made beads from between 45,000 and 110,000 years ago? SOURCE

It is because you are trying to equate the author of a man made TV show to the account of the Creation of 3 Heavens, by God Himself. Do you have no shame? You seem to believe men MORE than God. So did Lucifer.

Woah, hold on there, eager beaver...

You are assuming that the Bible is true in order to show it is true. Show me that God actually did it and that Genesis is a reliable account of reality, and we'll go from there. Because as far as I am concerned, we are comparing with a recent series of man-made stories about a war in Korea and a much older series of man-made stories about how the universe was made.

It's because today's Science has rejected God's Truth in Genesis. For the last 150+ years, men have claimed the Bible to be Myth, Allegory, and Fiction and actually believed that Science knows more than God. They have ignored the Fact that God told us we live in a Multiverse and so have remained in the darkness of their own minds for thousands of years.

Out of the two, science and the Bible, which actually produces results? (hint: which cures more disease? Which provides for worldwide communication?)

I try to help them out, but they refuse to accept anything but a man's opinion, an educated Scientist, like themselves, who continues to REJECT God Truth. Now, that's circular reasoning.

Circular reasoning is when you assume it is the truth in order to show it is the truth. why not treat everything as suspect and then put it all to the test? Whatever's the truth will withstand that testing, and whatever is wrong will fail, yes?

Tell us HOW and WHEN Apes evolved the Human intelligence of Adam apart from the birth canal. You CANNOT since evolution is measured by the changes brought about from the birth canal.

Your ignorance of evolution is astounding.

That's because I have spent the last 17 years debating with College Professors, people with Masters in Geology and PhDs in Physics, and Evols who knew much more than you, so I feel insulted that you would ask me to read Evolution 101. I was an Evol BEFORE I read Genesis. I believe the ONLY reason you posted it was to try and show that YOU know more than me. That is Ridiculous, since you don't even know what Day it is.

Apparently not a very knowledgeable evolutionist. How about you provide valid scientific sources for all your claims about what evolution is supposed to be according to you, okay? Just to be sure that you aren't going on the wrong ideas. Because every single thing you;ve said about evolution has been a strawman.

dad · Dec 8, 2013

KTS said:
Dad, why do we see that the ratio of parent and daughter materials is exactly what they'd be if they have been decaying for millions of years?

You don't. You see a ratio that probably was the same when this state started. No millions of years involved whatsoever. At least you didn't call me 'dear dad'.

Ginger123 · Dec 9, 2013

KTS said:
That's because this state is the only state there was.

dad said:
Behold, lurkers. This is the essence of her claims. Childish babble.

Then why don't you tell her and the rest of us what it was like way back in this fantasy time of yours?
I won't wait for this answer if you don't mind because I have a birthday coming up in mid June I need to plan.

AV1611VET · Dec 9, 2013

Ginger123 said:
I have a birthday coming up in mid June

Speaking of birthdays, we have a unique one coming up right soon.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Ginger123 · Dec 9, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Speaking of birthdays, we have a unique one coming up right soon.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

No we haven't sorry that's only when it's celebrated, if there was such a person as Jesus it's not known when he was born, the favoured month is June because shepherds only tended their flocks during the warmer months so December would be out of the question.

But MERRY CHRISTMAS anyway.

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