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...hypothetically.

I am in a RC campus club. I am constantly told that I am welcome to recieve holy communion at the campus mass. I know that this would excommunicate me from Orthodoxy. I am just curious if this action would make me a Catholic in the eyes of the vatican?

(I became orthodox when I was younger because my fallen away RC mom wouldnt let me become Catholic so I've always been curious.)

What is the conversion process like for someone who was a very active Orthodox Christian? Would I be on the booksasan eastern catholic even though there is no ec church near me and my ancestry is Polish, German, Hungarian and Irish?
 

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I don't think that receiving the Eucharist in a Catholic Mass would make you Catholic in the eyes of the Vatican. I think in order to do that, you have to go make a Profession of Faith to be received into the Catholic Church if you have already been chrismated. I am sure you have already been baptized since you're Orthodox. :)

So, I think the conversion process for someone who is Eastern Orthodox would simply require that you learn the basics of the Catholic Church that you don't already know and then make a Profession of Faith to be received into the Church as I already mentioned.

God bless you HalupkiMonster!
 
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...hypothetically.

I am in a RC campus club. I am constantly told that I am welcome to recieve holy communion at the campus mass. I know that this would excommunicate me from Orthodoxy. I am just curious if this action would make me a Catholic in the eyes of the vatican?

(I became orthodox when I was younger because my fallen away RC mom wouldnt let me become Catholic so I've always been curious.)

What is the conversion process like for someone who was a very active Orthodox Christian? Would I be on the booksasan eastern catholic even though there is no ec church near me and my ancestry is Polish, German, Hungarian and Irish?

No that would not make you Catholic in the eyes of the Vatican.

I imagine your conversion process would be pretty much the same, RCIA, etc. You would probably not have to wait till Easter to come into the Church though. I was not Orthodox & I came in before Easter. I think it just depends on the priest's evaluation of you & your knowledge & readiness to come into the RCC. You could always ask a priest out of curiosity. He would have more informed answers.
 
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OK - here we go again

HalupkiM - as an Orthodox Christian you are perfectly correct - if you [ despite being constantly told you may at the Campus Ministry ] Receive Communion at the Campus Mass then you have excommunicated yourself from the Orthodox Church , and to receive the Holy Mysteries again in Orthodoxy would need Confession on your part , and guidance from your priest as to when you could approach the chalice again.

To actually become canonically Catholic , strictly speaking, you would need to talk with the priest to ensure that any gaps in your knowledge [ as regards Catholicism ] were filled in.

You would not need to go through RCIA and indeed should not - your Baptism and Chrismation [ and of course Reception of Holy Communion from the time of Baptism ] are considered valid by the Catholic Church.

You would need Confession and then make a Profession of Faith - and this Profession of faith does not actually have to be made in public . You should be given a Certificate in some form acknowledging that you , from that time on , are fully Catholic.

NOW as to the last part - yes - as you would be coming from Orthodoxy [ be it Eastern or Oriental ] you would automatically be ascribed to the Eastern Catholic Church and in fact this should be noted in the Parish Registers of the Church in which you were received. The fact that there is no EC Church near does not in fact have any bearing on the issue.
 
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sorry you are getting bad advice from members of the campus Catholic club

they love you and the joy they have in your fellowship might have clouded their judgment slightly
while we recognize the sacraments in the Eastern Orthodox Church, there is still no communion between our two churches

to become Catholic you should speak to the local parish priest
if you become Catholic you would be Eastern Catholic, but since there are no Eastern Catholic parishes near you, you are more then welcome to attend Latin Rite services

you do not have to receive RCIA, but you can if you want to
many lapsed Catholics who are full members of the Church go to classes because they did not learn about the Faith as children
but as Anhelyna points out, RCIA is not needed and a simple talk with the priest and a profession of faith would be all that is needed
 
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...hypothetically.

I am in a RC campus club. I am constantly told that I am welcome to recieve holy communion at the campus mass. I know that this would excommunicate me from Orthodoxy. I am just curious if this action would make me a Catholic in the eyes of the vatican?

(I became orthodox when I was younger because my fallen away RC mom wouldnt let me become Catholic so I've always been curious.)

What is the conversion process like for someone who was a very active Orthodox Christian? Would I be on the booksasan eastern catholic even though there is no ec church near me and my ancestry is Polish, German, Hungarian and Irish?
Talk to a priest.

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Gee, and I understood that since Pope John Paul II signed agreements on faith with the various Orthodox Patriarchs, they were allowed to receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church, and we were allowed to receive in Orthodox Churches, except that they prohibited it, but would allow it after a Catholic was properly instructed.

Guess I was wrong.


Jim
 
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sorry you are getting bad advice from members of the campus Catholic club

they love you and the joy they have in your fellowship might have clouded their judgment slightly
while we recognize the sacraments in the Eastern Orthodox Church, there is still no communion between our two churches

to become Catholic you should speak to the local parish priest
if you become Catholic you would be Eastern Catholic, but since there are no Eastern Catholic parishes near you, you are more then welcome to attend Latin Rite services

you do not have to receive RCIA, but you can if you want to
many lapsed Catholics who are full members of the Church go to classes because they did not learn about the Faith as children
but as Anhelyna points out, RCIA is not needed and a simple talk with the priest and a profession of faith would be all that is needed
I didn't know Orthodox did not have to attend classes. Learn something new every day. :thumbsup:

As far as communion, I was told that Orthodox can receive communion as far as the RCC is concerned. I had an Orthodox resident at the nursing home that was allowed to receive.
 
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Gee, and I understood that since Pope John Paul II signed agreements on faith with the various Orthodox Patriarchs, they were allowed to receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church, and we were allowed to receive in Orthodox Churches, except that they prohibited it, but would allow it after a Catholic was properly instructed.

Guess I was wrong.


Jim
No, I don't think you are. Read my post above.
 
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No, I don't think you are. Read my post above.


I mean, I know the Catholic Church allows them to receive, but I didn't know they'd be excommunicated from the Orthodox Church if they did.



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I mean, I know the Catholic Church allows them to receive, but I didn't know they'd be excommunicated from the Orthodox Church if they did.



Jim
They have to ask permission from their priest as I understand it.

She was over a 100 miles from any Orthodox Church while here.
 
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I mean, I know the Catholic Church allows them to receive, but I didn't know they'd be excommunicated from the Orthodox Church if they did.



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Not "excommunicated" in the Western sense (in my limited experience.) If I receive in a non Eastern Orthodox Church, the Orthodox Church sees this as a profession of another faith by the act of partaking of Holy Communion, so by Communing I am not so much joining another faith in the eyes of Orthodoxy, but excommunicating myself. Like with many things, this is greatly based on my intentions. If I was not well educated and did not know I was not supposed to commune, or put under enormous pressure from family or friends to Commune, that is one thing. But knowingly committing an action that I know to be contrary to the Church, and knowingly excommunicating myself, is another. There is even a small service to bring someone back when they excommunicate themselves.

My Protestant and JW friends tell me excommunication is almost like banishment from the congregation. Quite the contrary in the EOC, but also a bit more complex.
 
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Not "excommunicated" in the Western sense (in my limited experience.) If I receive in a non Eastern Orthodox Church, the Orthodox Church sees this as a profession of another faith by the act of partaking of Holy Communion, so by Communing I am not so much joining another faith in the eyes of Orthodoxy, but excommunicating myself. Like with many things, this is greatly based on my intentions. If I was not well educated and did not know I was not supposed to commune, or put under enormous pressure from family or friends to Commune, that is one thing. But knowingly committing an action that I know to be contrary to the Church, and knowingly excommunicating myself, is another. There is even a small service to bring someone back when they excommunicate themselves.

This is excommunication in the RC sense, but it says to me, that the Orthodox do not recognize Holy Communion in the Catholic Church as being the real body and blood of Jesus Christ, and only their Communion is.

Otherwise, why would a member of the Orthodox Church, excommunicate themselves if the only Mass they could attend at a particular time was a Roman Catholic Mass, and they received Jesus in the Eucharist ?

This makes no sense to me and seems rather cruel.

Jim
 
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It's no more cruel than reminding a Latin Catholic that they cannot Receive Holy Communion in the Anglican Church !

If I am away from my own Church [ UGCC ] then I can Receive , if I wish , in any Catholic Church , but having said that if there is no Catholic Church within reach but there is an Orthodox one , I still may not approach the Chalice there . I would remind you that the RC Church does not say you have to Receive at every Mass you attend - you are expected to Receive at some point during the Easter Season - i.e. from Easter Sunday till Pentecost - you are also expected to Confess your sins during that season too.

Preparation for Communion in Orthodoxy is different from that in the Latin Church too and most Orthodox priests , if they do not recognise the person standing in front of them will very probably ask first for their name , and then ask for the date of their last Confession and did they attend vespers . Any hesitation and the priest will ask them to return to their place and see him after Liturgy.
 
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It's no more cruel than reminding a Latin Catholic that they cannot Receive Holy Communion in the Anglican Church !

If I am away from my own Church [ UGCC ] then I can Receive , if I wish , in any Catholic Church , but having said that if there is no Catholic Church within reach but there is an Orthodox one , I still may not approach the Chalice there . I would remind you that the RC Church does not say you have to Receive at every Mass you attend - you are expected to Receive at some point during the Easter Season - i.e. from Easter Sunday till Pentecost - you are also expected to Confess your sins during that season too.

Preparation for Communion in Orthodoxy is different from that in the Latin Church too and most Orthodox priests , if they do not recognise the person standing in front of them will very probably ask first for their name , and then ask for the date of their last Confession and did they attend vespers . Any hesitation and the priest will ask them to return to their place and see him after Liturgy.

Too bad many RC priests don't do this, they just desire everyone to come to communion even in mortal sin because its no longer a sacrifice at the altar but a happy meal at the "table".
 
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Members of the Orthodox churches and the Polish National Catholic Churches share a more intimate bond with us, however. They may receive the Eucharist when they ask for it and they are properly disposed (cf. Canon 844). Again, I would refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

The Eastern churches that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church celebrate the Eucharist with great love. "These Churches, although separated from us, yet possess true sacraments, above all - by apostolic succession - the priesthood and the Eucharist, whereby they are still joined to us in closest intimacy." A certain communion in sacris...is not merely possible but is encouraged." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, number 1399)
When other Christians who believe what the Catholic church teaches concerning the Holy Eucharist are deprived of access to a church of their own denomination for a significant period of time, they too may be admitted to Communion in the Catholic Church in exceptional circumstances (cf. Canon 844 §4). These exceptional circumstances are also described by the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

When, in the Ordinary's judgment, a grave necessity arises, Catholic ministers may give the sacraments of Eucharist, Penance, and Anointing of the Sick to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church, who ask for them of their own will, provided they give evidence of holding the Catholic faith regarding these sacraments and possess the required dispositions. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, number 1401)
On November 14, 1996, the National Conference of Catholic Bishops approved the following guidelines on the reception of communion. These guidelines replace the guidelines approved by the Administrative Committee of the NCCB in November 1986. The guidelines, which are to be included in missalettes and other participation aids published in the United States, seek to remind all those who may attend Catholic liturgies of the present discipline of the Church with regard to the sharing of eucharistic communion.

For Catholics
As Catholics, we fully participate in the celebration of the Eucharist when we receive Holy Communion. We are encouraged to receive Communion devoutly and frequently. In order to be properly disposed to receive Communion, participants should not be conscious of grave sin and normally should have fasted for one hour. A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to receive the Body and Blood of the Lord without prior sacramental confession except for a grave reason where there is no opportunity for confession. In this case, the person is to be mindful of the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition, including the intention of confessing as soon as possible (canon 916). A frequent reception of the Sacrament of Penance is encouraged for all.

For our fellow Christians
We welcome our fellow Christians to this celebration of the Eucharist as our brothers and sisters. We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us. We pray that these will lessen and finally disappear, in keeping with Christ's prayer for us "that they may all be one" (Jn 17:21).

Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Holy Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law (canon 844 § 4). Members of the Orthodox Churches, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Polish National Catholic Church are urged to respect the discipline of their own Churches. According to Roman Catholic discipline, the Code of Canon Law does not object to the reception of communion by Christians of these Churches (canon 844 § 3).
USCCB - (Liturgy) - Non-Catholics and Holy Communion
 
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Members of the Orthodox churches and the Polish National Catholic Churches share a more intimate bond with us, however. They may receive the Eucharist when they ask for it and they are properly disposed (cf. Canon 844). Again, I would refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

The Eastern churches that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church celebrate the Eucharist with great love. "These Churches, although separated from us, yet possess true sacraments, above all - by apostolic succession - the priesthood and the Eucharist, whereby they are still joined to us in closest intimacy." A certain communion in sacris...is not merely possible but is encouraged." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, number 1399)
When other Christians who believe what the Catholic church teaches concerning the Holy Eucharist are deprived of access to a church of their own denomination for a significant period of time, they too may be admitted to Communion in the Catholic Church in exceptional circumstances (cf. Canon 844 §4). These exceptional circumstances are also described by the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

When, in the Ordinary's judgment, a grave necessity arises, Catholic ministers may give the sacraments of Eucharist, Penance, and Anointing of the Sick to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church, who ask for them of their own will, provided they give evidence of holding the Catholic faith regarding these sacraments and possess the required dispositions. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, number 1401)
On November 14, 1996, the National Conference of Catholic Bishops approved the following guidelines on the reception of communion. These guidelines replace the guidelines approved by the Administrative Committee of the NCCB in November 1986. The guidelines, which are to be included in missalettes and other participation aids published in the United States, seek to remind all those who may attend Catholic liturgies of the present discipline of the Church with regard to the sharing of eucharistic communion.

For Catholics
As Catholics, we fully participate in the celebration of the Eucharist when we receive Holy Communion. We are encouraged to receive Communion devoutly and frequently. In order to be properly disposed to receive Communion, participants should not be conscious of grave sin and normally should have fasted for one hour. A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to receive the Body and Blood of the Lord without prior sacramental confession except for a grave reason where there is no opportunity for confession. In this case, the person is to be mindful of the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition, including the intention of confessing as soon as possible (canon 916). A frequent reception of the Sacrament of Penance is encouraged for all.

For our fellow Christians
We welcome our fellow Christians to this celebration of the Eucharist as our brothers and sisters. We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us. We pray that these will lessen and finally disappear, in keeping with Christ's prayer for us "that they may all be one" (Jn 17:21).

Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Holy Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law (canon 844 § 4). Members of the Orthodox Churches, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Polish National Catholic Church are urged to respect the discipline of their own Churches. According to Roman Catholic discipline, the Code of Canon Law does not object to the reception of communion by Christians of these Churches (canon 844 § 3).
USCCB - (Liturgy) - Non-Catholics and Holy Communion
Thanks WA. Good info.:thumbsup:
 
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Members of the Orthodox Churches, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Polish National Catholic Church are urged to respect the discipline of their own Churches. According to Roman Catholic discipline, the Code of Canon Law does not object to the reception of communion by Christians of these Churches (canon 844 § 3).

And the discipline of their Church is that they may NOT receive the Holy Mysteries , other than in their own Church.
 
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And the discipline of their Church is that they may NOT receive the Holy Mysteries , other than in their own Church.

They are free to leave their own Churches in favor of Christ's one true Church, the Roman Catholic Church, headed on Earth by the successor to Peter, who himself was crowned by Christ to head His Church. Being born into an apostate church is not an excuse to die in an apostate Church.

It may be presumtuous, but let me be the first to say - Welcome home, brother!!
 
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I do wish - I really really do wish - that folk would actually read the opening post in a thread like this .

This was HalupkiMonster's opening post

...hypothetically.

I am in a RC campus club. I am constantly told that I am welcome to recieve holy communion at the campus mass. I know that this would excommunicate me from Orthodoxy. I am just curious if this action would make me a Catholic in the eyes of the vatican?

(I became orthodox when I was younger because my fallen away RC mom wouldnt let me become Catholic so I've always been curious.)

What is the conversion process like for someone who was a very active Orthodox Christian? Would I be on the booksasan eastern catholic even though there is no ec church near me and my ancestry is Polish, German, Hungarian and Irish?

This was a hypothetical question
 
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