There is something terribly wrong with this "religion"!!

simplegifts · Nov 4, 2013

Is it the result of terrible teachings of slavery, inequality and subduing for non-muslims, retaliation or clerics stirring up the violence? If just clerics stirring up the violence where are they getting their information?

Injured go missing after explosion at Balochistan religious seminary – The Express Tribune

Injured go missing after explosion at Balochistan religious seminary
By Shahzad BalochPublished: November 3, 2013

QUETTA: An unregistered religious seminary was gutted as a result of an explosion that occured allegedly after explosive materials prematurely went off in the Eastern Bypass, an outskirt of Quetta valley, on Sunday morning.
Four rooms of the religious seminary and a nearby house were completely destroyed in the blast.

According to eyewitness accounts...<edited for copyright>

Muslim mob vandalises 26 Hindu houses in Bangladesh - Financial Express
Muslim mob vandalises 26 Hindu houses in Bangladesh
PTI | Dhaka | Updated: Nov 04 2013,

A mob went on a rampage in a Hindu-dominated neighbourhood in a village in Bangladesh's Pabna district following reports that a boy from the minority community had committed blasphemy, prompting the country's High Court to order arrest of attackers within 24 hours.

The mob attacked the Hindu neighborhood at Bonogram village in Santhia upazila in Pabna district on Saturday, <edited for copyright>
The Daily Star newspaper said it found that the Facebook page, photocopies of which were used to incite the attacks, had no links with Rajib.

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Islamists kill 27, burn houses in Nigerian village attack

(AGI) Maiduguri, Nov 4 - At least 27 people were killed and 12 were injured when their village in northeast Nigeria was attacked by Boko Haram militants, local government sources have reported. At least 300 houses were burned. The gang

Masihi · Nov 4, 2013

More disturbing is finding out the state department is settling Somali muslim nuts in at least one small town in Tennessee. Their customs are worlds apart from Tennessee americans and violence initiated by the Somalis has been reported.

TG123 · Nov 5, 2013

WoodrowLi said:
Is it the result of terrible teachings of slavery, inequality and subduing for non-muslims, retaliation or clerics stirring up the violence? If just clerics stirring up the violence where are they getting their information?

I could just as easily post news stories about US war crimes or the Westboro Baptist church or Catholic priests abusing boys or other such atrocities, and write "there is something terribly wrong with this 'religion'".

You should check out Sunrise's posts about how 'violent' Christianity and Judaism is. You are either imitating Sunrise, or he is imitating you, I don't know.

As it is in the Bible, there are violent verses in the Quran and hadiths. Nowhere is it suggested that these sources teach that the violence is to be carried out at all times against all unbelievers.

simplegifts · Nov 5, 2013

Syria: Bodies of massacred Christians found in mass grave on Independent Catholic News
Syria: Bodies of massacred Christians found in mass grave
Posted: Monday, November 4, 2013 3:27 pm

Attacks on Christians by Islamic militants rise in Egypt - CBS News
October 30, 2013 7:35 PM
Attacks on Christians by Islamic militants rise in Egypt
By Clarissa Ward

simplegifts · Nov 5, 2013

TG123 said:
I could just as easily post news stories about US war crimes or the Westboro Baptist church or Catholic priests abusing boys or other such atrocities, and write "there is something terribly wrong with this 'religion'".

You should check out Sunrise's posts about how 'violent' Christianity and Judaism is. You are either imitating Sunrise, or he is imitating you, I don't know.

As it is in the Bible, there are violent verses in the Quran and hadiths. Nowhere is it suggested that these sources teach that the violence is to be carried out at all times against all unbelievers.

Some day you may understand.

I am not interpreting on my own. I use commentary by respected Muslim scholars and honored clerics. I have listened to many a cleric, visited political and violent Muslim websites and forums.

IT IS NOT MY INTERPRETATION!!!

The violence in the Bible is history a specific order for a specific time, place and people. There is no commentary that urges Christians to fight and kill. This I was taught by Christian clerics and many a Christian commentator.

The violence in the Quran is for all times for all Muslims to carry out against all non-Muslims. There is in fact hadith and commentary to support that urges Muslims to be violence. In fact the "true" Muslim following the Quran and Islam to the fullest is the political violent Muslim.

Look what happens when a person calls for reform. I hope he stays safe!!:
BBC News - Shamsi Ali: The rise and fall of a New York imam
2 November 2013 Last updated at 20:35 ET
Shamsi Ali: The rise and fall of a New York imam

An imam once regarded as one of New York's leading religious figures had a sudden fall from grace. So what does the story of one man's attempt to adapt Islam to modern America tell us, asks Sune Engel Rasmussen.

Before the controversy that cut him down, Shamsi Ali was the leading figure of moderate Islam in New York, for Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

For a decade, the biggest mosque in New York, the Islamic Cultural Center on 96th Street in East Harlem, was his stage. Here, the diminutive Indonesian with a brusque demeanour praised democracy and vigorously condemned extremism, to thousands of worshippers. Outside the mosque, he taught the FBI and congressmen in Washington about inter-religious co-existence.

He befriended presidents too. In the days after 11 September 2001, the city of New York picked him to represent the Muslim community on President George W Bush's interfaith visit to Ground Zero. Another president, Bill Clinton, wrote the foreword to the new memoir, Sons Of Abraham, that Ali co-authored with a Jewish rabbi he counts among his close friends.

Although many of his conservative peers interpret the Koran to prohibit the use of music, Ali listens to rap and hangs out with hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons. He even shrugs, disinterested, at cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

In short, Shamsi Ali is the Muslim that liberal America wants. But he is not the leader all New York's Muslims want. Ali is a divisive figure in New York's Islamic community, and two years ago, the same mosque that gave him a platform to grow influential and popular, suddenly pulled the rug from under him.

Now, rather than preach to thousands at the 96th Street mosque, Ali speaks to a meagre congregation of 20 at the al-Hikmah Mosque, far out in the sticks of Queens, New York.

While his schedule is still packed with congregational duties at two mosques, and outreach activities and speaking engagements in public, the mosque that allowed him to rise to prominence at a young age no longer wants anything to do with him. The reasons for that are political, Ali says.

After years of tensions, he was quietly fired in 2011, or - depending on whom you ask - left of his own accord before he was. So quietly, in fact, that no one seems to know about it.

Tensions over how to practise Islam in the US mirror the challenges faced by any number of religions when they come to the US. Like Judaism and Christianity before it, Islam faces challenges of cultural integration, and lacks institutions to represent believers on their own terms in years of increased public suspicion against the religion.
...

awitch · Nov 5, 2013

WoodrowLi said:
The violence in the Bible is history a specific order for a specific time. place and people.

The fact that it was ever meant for any place, time, or people is enough for me to dismiss it.

There is no commentary that urges Christians to fight and kill.

Yet that doesn't always stop them from doing so.

simplegifts · Nov 5, 2013

awitch said:
The fact that it was ever meant for any place, time, or people is enough for me to dismiss it.

Yet that doesn't always stop them from doing so.

Yes I know. I have never said that Christian were any less the sinner then any other group of people.

Interesting note- have you noticed how upset people from all walks of faith get with Christians when they are violent? Because they are not following Jesus' commands. Christians are supposed to be loving and non-violent in order to be like Jesus.

Where is the outrage against violent Muslims - read the teaching of Mohammad - the violence is expected. No reason to get upset!! Or are people afraid to correct Muslims' behavior out of fear of retribution?

Why doesn't anyone try to stop their hate speech? What would happen if a Christian preacher or anyone were to say:
Muslims are the vilest of animals
Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims
How perverse are Muslims!
Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips
Fight those Muslims who are near to you
Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified

While most of this preachers focus has been against homosexuality he is a good example of a foul preacher. Thankfully the numbers of his church are dwindling and even his own son is fighting against him. Not the case with violent political imams:
My father, the hate preacher: Nate Phelps on escaping Westboro Baptist Church - Telegraph
My father, the hate preacher: Nate Phelps on escaping Westboro Baptist Church

LoAmmi · Nov 5, 2013

awitch said:
The fact that it was ever meant for any place, time, or people is enough for me to dismiss it.

Well, it's the product of a time in human history where the concept of peace between people wasn't exactly a concept. So, if you're going to face a war for territory or whatever, you better win.

LoAmmi · Nov 5, 2013

WoodrowLi said:
Interesting note- have you noticed how upset people from all walks of faith get with Christians when they are violent? Because they are not following Jesus' commands. Christians are supposed to be loving and non-violent in order to be like Jesus.

People get upset with any group that are violent. Christians aren't special.

Where is the outrage against violent Muslims - read the teaching of Mohammad - the violence is expected. No reason to get upset!! Or are people afraid to correct Muslims' behavior out of fear of retribution?

There are people outraged all over. Muslims don't get special treatment (except in the minds of those that hate them).

Masihi · Nov 5, 2013

WoodrowLi said:
Yes I know. I have never said that Christian were any less the sinner then any other group of people.

Interesting note- have you noticed how upset people from all walks of faith get with Christians when they are violent? Because they are not following Jesus' commands. Christians are supposed to be loving and non-violent in order to be like Jesus.

Where is the outrage against violent Muslims - read the teaching of Mohammad - the violence is expected. No reason to get upset!! Or are people afraid to correct Muslims' behavior out of fear of retribution?

Why doesn't anyone try to stop their hate speech? What would happen if a Christian preacher or anyone were to say:
Muslims are the vilest of animals
Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims
How perverse are Muslims!
Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips
Fight those Muslims who are near to you
Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified

While most of this preachers focus has been against homosexuality he is a good example of a foul preacher. Thankfully the numbers of his church are dwindling and even his own son is fighting against him. Not the case with violent political imams:
My father, the hate preacher: Nate Phelps on escaping Westboro Baptist Church - Telegraph
My father, the hate preacher: Nate Phelps on escaping Westboro Baptist Church

Why you reply to the nuts frequenting CWR is beyond me. Don't you know they are anti-Christian?

You will find a receptive audience on facebook and the commentary sections of your local newspapers. Get the word out.

Illuminaughty · Nov 5, 2013

This is an interesting new thread topic. I mean, an "Islam is bad because of ___ [fill in the blank] " thread is something I don't see that often.

simplegifts · Nov 6, 2013

LoAmmi said:
People get upset with any group that are violent. Christians aren't special.

There are people outraged all over. Muslims don't get special treatment (except in the minds of those that hate them).

Are you trying to pin that on me? I have never said that I hated Muslims. What I hate is the violent and political Islam. Actually I hate any ideology that promotes prejudice and inequality.

I feel sorry for Muslims caught in a cult of death [you now the we love death you love ... statements] that would kill them if they tried to leave it.

simplegifts · Nov 6, 2013

Masihi said:
Why you reply to the nuts frequenting CWR is beyond me. Don't you know they are anti-Christian?

You will find a receptive audience on facebook and the commentary sections of your local newspapers. Get the word out.

Yes I know. Have you ever thought about the fact that Christianity can tolerate insults and criticism. It has for centuries and it is still going strong. Christianity is current.

Islam can't tolerate criticism - they have to subdue or kill anyone who questions the evilness and inequality preached by Islam. Islam is stuck in 700AD.

Masihi · Nov 7, 2013

WoodrowLi said:
Yes I know. Have you ever thought about the fact that Christianity can tolerate insults and criticism. It has for centuries and it is still going strong. Christianity is current.

Islam can't tolerate criticism - they have to subdue or kill anyone who questions the evilness and inequality preached by Islam. Islam is stuck in 700AD.

I must be making some progress; this is the first reply from you ever.

Years ago before discovering islam, I thought catholics were caught in a terrible web of idolatry, rituals, and repetitive chanting (the rosary) but lo and behold, islam is far worse. Muslims are stuck in what seems an obsessive/compulsive disorder of a theist kind with no end in sight.

simplegifts · Nov 7, 2013

Masihi said:
I must be making some progress; this is the first reply from you ever.

Years ago before discovering islam, I thought catholics were caught in a terrible web of idolatry, rituals, and repetitive chanting (the rosary) but lo and behold, islam is far worse. Muslims are stuck in what seems an obsessive/compulsive disorder of a theist kind with no end in sight.

Really? Hope I haven't ignored direct response from you.

simplegifts · Nov 7, 2013

Illuminaughty said:
This is an interesting new thread topic. I mean, an "Islam is bad because of ___ [fill in the blank] " thread is something I don't see that often.

Oh great illuminated one - what are your thoughts on how to deal with a violent ideology that was created to control every aspect of everyone's life and also happens to be a religion?

In the respect that Mohammad made Islam a religion was brilliant on his part or it was simply the temporal lobe seizures!!

Lord Emsworth · Nov 7, 2013

Illuminaughty said:
This is an interesting new thread topic. I mean, an "Islam is bad because of ___ [fill in the blank] " thread is something I don't see that often.

That is probably because there is hardly anything to criticize.

Rationalt · Nov 7, 2013

Lord Emsworth said:
That is probably because there is hardly anything to criticize.

Illuminaughty · Nov 7, 2013

That is probably because there is hardly anything to criticize.

When you are looking at a group of around 3 billion humans you could probably find instances of people in that group doing all sorts of naughty things if you look hard enough. Some people act as if their own religion is "anti-Muslim" rather than Christian though. Nearly every single post of theirs is about the Muslim boogie man. Extreme fascination with a group they view so negatively like that reminds me of the anti-semites who can't stop thinking about Jews. Jews this, Jews that, Jewish plot, blah blah blah. Spending their time online scouring the web for articles about Jews doing naughty things or taking over the world so they can "awaken everyone else to the problem". In both cases people tend to embrace wild conspiracy theories as well. Like the coming shariah law take over of the US or the Jewish Bankers ruling the world conspiracy.

Rationalt · Nov 7, 2013

The Op is about the religion of islam which you want to conveniently deflect talking about numbers.

I have some theories why some people do that when it comes to Islam.

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