Help: Conventional Wisdom vs Scripture - Forgive and Forget

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So, would like to get your take on the issue of forgiveness.

I've heard it said to "forgive, but not forget." Meaning, to forgive a sin or transgression against you, but to also learn from the experience.

For example; Say a guest in your home steals something. As a Christian we are to forgive them, however, we're justified in never allowing that person in our home again.

This philosophy I' grew up on, and even heard it echoed in others, even from the pulpit. Yet it does not exist in scripture. In order to forgive, we are supposed to forget.

In one sense, it is impossible to truly forget sins that have been committed against us. We cannot selectively "delete" events from our memory. The Bible states that God does not "remember" our wickedness (Hebrews 8:12). God is all-knowing. God knows that we have “sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). However, having forgiven us, He treats us as if the sin had not occurred. If we belong to Him through faith in Christ, God does not hold our sins against us. In that sense we must "forgive and forget." If we forgive someone, we must act as if that sin had never occurred.

By not forgetting, it is argued, that it prevents any true reconciliation. Surely one is not called to blindly forgive and forget, but if one is truly repentant, then we're called to forgive, and to follow God's example, are we to live as if the sin never happened. So in the case of the above example, if he's sorry, you should invite the thief back into you home.

And if he steals again? Well, if repentant, we're to forgive and forget again. In fact, we are to forgive up to 70x7 times?

But where does conventional wisdom come into play. Surely if a man sexually molests your daughter, who says he's truly sorry, do you conduct your life as though the sin never happened, ie: let him babysit again? Surely you as a parent have a duty to protect your child, yet to no longer trust this family friend around your daughter means he was not forgiven, because your bitterness over the sin/transgression has altered your view/behavior regarding him.
 

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... if a man sexually molests your daughter, who says he's truly sorry, do you conduct your life as though the sin never happened, ie: let him babysit again?

If this girl still needs babysitting services following her molester's jail sentence, justice was surely not served .. :doh:

As far as forgiveness where a trust was broken is concerned, I don't believe the Lord requires that we become fools while we seek to fulfill an aspect of His will on the one hand, yet fail to fulfill a more important aspect of His will on the other.

Here is a similar example to consider, if a Christian married an alcoholic who ruined both of their lives due to the alcoholism, and the non-drinking partner chooses to forgive the drinking partner, is he/she then duty bound to "forget" the drinking partner is still an alcoholic and start bringing home cases of booze if that's what the forgiven alcoholic truly wants .. :confused: Would that be a loving thing to do (see 1 Corinthians 13:1-3)?

The Lord always wants us to do what's right, but doing what's right on the one hand must never be the cause of harm on the other (or it was never the "right" thing to begin with)!!

--David
 
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can you point to scripture regarding this -
As far as forgiveness where a trust was broken is concerned, I don't believe the Lord requires that we become fools while we seek to fulfill an aspect of His will on the one hand, yet fail to fulfill a more important aspect of His will on the other.

...and this -
The Lord always wants us to do what's right, but doing what's right on the one hand must never be the cause of harm on the other (or it was never the "right" thing to begin with)!!
 
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can you point to scripture regarding this -

...and this -

I'll try to, though it will probably be tomorrow before I can get back to you.

In the meantime, while I'm gathering Scriptural support for my point of view, do you think you can point out a few Scriptures that show the Lord's determination to have us obey Him to the letter of the law on one hand, even if it causes us to disobey Him as a result on the other?

Thanks!

--David
 
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can you point to scripture regarding this -
As far as forgiveness where a trust was broken is concerned, I don't believe the Lord requires that we become fools while we seek to fulfill an aspect of His will on the one hand, yet fail to fulfill a more important aspect of His will on the other.
...and this -
The Lord always wants us to do what's right, but doing what's right on the one hand must never be the cause of harm on the other (or it was never the "right" thing to begin with)!!
To get this started, here's a passage from St. Matthew. The Pharisees taught blind obedience to the Law. Do you believe that this is what the Lord always wants from us, or is doing good in certain circumstances that require it what He actually wants instead .. :confused:
"Departing from there, Jesus went into their synagogue. And behold, there was a man with a withered hand. And the Pharisees questioned Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"—in order that they might accuse Him. And He said to them, "What man shall there be among you, who shall have one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it, and lift it out? "Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." Then He said to the man, "Stretch out your hand!" And he stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. But the Pharisees went out, and counseled together against Him, as to how they might destroy Him." Matthew 12:9-15

See also, Luke 13:10-17
Jesus did what was right and good instead of performing the letter of the Law in this case. Do you believe He was wrong in what He did?

Here are a few final thoughts. Does forgiving someone also require reconciliation? Does forgiving someone require that we must immediately give the offending party our full trust? Does forgiving someone require that we excuse the wrong done to us as if it never happened, that we literally deny any wrongdoing ever occurred? Does forgiving someone require that justice must necessarily be neglegted? Does forgiveness require that we must never again feel any pain? Is this what you believe the Lord requires of us .. :scratch:

--David

"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall
have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the Lord;
whoever does any work on it shall be put to death."
Exodus 35:2-3
 
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Here are a few final thoughts. Does forgiving someone also require reconciliation? Does forgiving someone require that we must immediately give the offending party our full trust?

well, according to this...
Colossians 3:13
Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

plus, there's...
Matthew 6:14-16
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Mark 11:25
And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins


So forgiveness is definitely clear. But if we're to follow the Lord, who forgives us and forgets our transgressions, are we not called to do the same?

Again, I am not a believer of forgive and forget. I fully believe that forgiveness doesn't have to mean forgetting and reconciliation, but there seems to be no scripture to support this.
 
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So forgiveness is definitely clear. But if we're to follow the Lord, who forgives us and forgets our transgressions, are we not called to do the same?

Again, I am not a believer of forgive and forget. I fully believe that forgiveness doesn't have to mean forgetting and reconciliation, but there seems to be no scripture to support this.

Hi Sorednax, I think we are in agreement except on the "forgive and forget" issue. IMHO, that's not what the Bible teaches, ever. As you rightly stated in the OP, God is omniscient and omnipresent, He NEVER "forgets" anything. So the only question that needs to be answered is what does God really mean when He says:
"I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." Jeremiah 31:34
And how then are we to follow His example when forgiving others?

Gotta go, but i'll be back later today.

--David
 
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'Cheat me once, you're a fool. Cheat me twice, I'm a fool.'

Of course we should not forget trespasses against us and ours. But we should not dwell on them, either. If one of us has a prediliction to some kind of sin, it would be cruel to put temptation in his way. But if we used his trespass as an excuse to despise him, because we could not forgive, the fault would be in us, not in him.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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