Are Gentiles Now a Chosen Royal Priesthood?

The prophecies of the last days show gentiles going through the same things that the Jews went through and they come to the same ways, and traditions until the entire world will be under one God.

Zechariah 14...........


Why is it that Gentiles are supposed to keep the Pesach and the feast of Tabernacles, and why is the birth of the gentile church put on Pentecost?

mpossoff said:

The problem is Gentiles are not lost Israelites. That's the mystery of the Gospel.

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The great mystery is the fact that you cannot address Paul quoting the promise given about the return of the Kingdom of Ephraim and how it applies to gentiles.

You don't wanna touch it because you can't touch it.

Paul uses the scripture about the lost house of Joseph as how Gentiles are grafted into Israel, and these are the facts.

The great mystery is why can't you accept the facts, why can't you accept the facts about gentiles being a royal priesthood?

I don't know, but you shouldn't tell anyone that they don't have to be Israel, Because THEY DO.

And,'' I AM.''

Ephesians 2--12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


BEING ALIEN FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISREAL IS DEATH.
Ephesians 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.

Romans 16, That great Mystery that Gentiles have become God's people by the scriptures of the prophets according to the commandment of the everlasting God, MADE KNOWN TO ALL NATION FOR THE OBEDIENCE of Faith. That gentiles must also obey.


25 Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.






Collosians 1

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Collossians 2
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Ephesians 1-That great Mystery that gentiles have become___?

Ephesians 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

mpossoff said:

Nope it's you proclaiming that you have to be an Israelite to receive the promise much like the view in the New Testament but the opposite side of the coin, covenantal nomism.

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You do, I do not say it, the bible says it.

Jesus and ALL the disciples explain it, and the fact remains, YOU DO HAVE TO BE AMONGST THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL.

To tell somebody any different is to lead them astray.

The word is,'' Adoption.''

Now whether you will accept an adopted brother is up to you, I don't need your acceptance, I have a Jewish husband.

Isaiah 19

Here are the notes from the Jewish publication bible on Isaiah 19.

19 1-24: A universalist oracle concerning Egypt.
Like other oracles concerning the nations, this chapter begins by describing the troubles with which God will afflict Egypt.

It continues, however, by viewing these troubles IDENTICAL to the troubles God inflicts on Israel: They will lead the Egyptians to recognize the one true God. The chapter ends with a remarkable universalists perspective.

Isaiah 19

King James Version (KJV)

19 The burden of Egypt. Behold, the Lord rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.
2 And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.
3 And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.
4 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts.
5 And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.
6 And they shall turn the rivers far away; and the brooks of defence shall be emptied and dried up: the reeds and flags shall wither.
7 The paper reeds by the brooks, by the mouth of the brooks, and every thing sown by the brooks, shall wither, be driven away, and be no more.
8 The fishers also shall mourn, and all they that cast angle into the brooks shall lament, and they that spread nets upon the waters shall languish.
9 Moreover they that work in fine flax, and they that weave networks, shall be confounded.
10 And they shall be broken in the purposes thereof, all that make sluices and ponds for fish.
11 Surely the princes of Zoan are fools, the counsel of the wise counsellors of Pharaoh is become brutish: how say ye unto Pharaoh, I am the son of the wise, the son of ancient kings?
12 Where are they? where are thy wise men? and let them tell thee now, and let them know what the Lord of hosts hath purposed upon Egypt.
13 The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.
14 The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
15 Neither shall there be any work for Egypt, which the head or tail, branch or rush, may do.
16 In that day shall Egypt be like unto women: and it shall be afraid and fear because of the shaking of the hand of the Lord of hosts, which he shaketh over it.
17 And the land of Judah shall be a terror unto Egypt, every one that maketh mention thereof shall be afraid in himself, because of the counsel of the Lord of hosts, which he hath determined against it.
18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the Lord of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.
20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
21 And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it.
22 And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.


The Egyptians go through the same identical problems Israel went through and as a result, the entire world becomes one religion. The entire world begins to keep the Sabbaths and Holy days that were peculiar only to Israel by their literal history.

But now we see the entire world having the same common links and all nations will worship God and all nations will become one single people.

''In that day Israel shall be a third partner with Egypt and Assyria as a blessing on the Earth: For the Lord of Hosts shall bless them saying, '' Blessed be MY People Egypt, My Handiwork Assyria, and my very own Israel.''
This puts these 3 names on a single body, a single unit of people in the land where one is just a third of a whole, and all are of the same people, having the same worship system and having the same God.

This all means that a Passover for gentiles has come and Gone or, it means that a Passover for gentiles is still in the future, and that future is the universal belief in the one true God and all people becoming one.

Was Jesus an Egyptian?

Hosea 11- A promise of the restoration of Israel

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt, I called my son
Exodus 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus says the Lord: Israel is my son, My firstborn. '' So I say to you, Let my son go that he may serve Me.



Matthew 2:15 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet saying, '' OUT OF EGYPT I HAVE CALLED MY SON.''


Jesus was called out of Egypt unto where the kingdom of Ephraim ended up going.

Hosea 9:3 Ephraim will return to Egypt.
Hosea 8:13 They shall return to Egypt.
Hosea 7:11 They call to Egypt, they go to Assyria
Hosea9:6 Egypt will gather them up: Memphis shall bury them.

And then Jesus is called out of Egypt because that's where Ephraim had returned to

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Here is Jesus coming out of Egypt.

Hosea 11
God’s Love for Israel
1“When Israel was a child, I loved him,
and out of Egypt I called my son.
2But the more they were called,
the more they went away from me.a
They sacrificed to the Baals
and they burned incense to images.
3It was I who taught Ephraim to walk,
taking them by the arms;
but they did not realize
it was I who healed them.
4I led them with cords of human kindness,
with ties of love.
To them I was like one who lifts
a little child to the cheek,
and I bent down to feed them.

5“Will they not return to Egypt
and will not Assyria rule over them
because they refuse to repent?
6A sword will flash in their cities;
it will devour their false prophets
and put an end to their plans.
7My people are determined to turn from me.
Even though they call me God Most High,
I will by no means exalt them.

8“How can I give you up, Ephraim?
How can I hand you over, Israel?
How can I treat you like Admah?
How can I make you like Zeboyim?
My heart is changed within me;
all my compassion is aroused.
9I will not carry out my fierce anger,
nor will I devastate Ephraim again.
For I am God, and not a man—
the Holy One among you.
I will not come against their cities.
10They will follow the Lord;
he will roar like a lion.
When he roars,
his children will come trembling from the west.
11They will come from Egypt,
trembling like sparrows,
from Assyria, fluttering like doves.
I will settle them in their homes,”
declares the Lord.

Israel’s Sin
12Ephraim has surrounded me with lies,
Israel with deceit.
And Judah is unruly against God,
even against the faithful Holy One.b



Egypt-Assyria-Israel

The 3 are one.

danny ski said:

The greater question is why would anybody want to be a Jew? Non Jews are G-d's creatures as well, but without restrictions. As long as they lead decent lives, they have the portion in the world to come just as us-or so our Sages teach. Unless they want to be Jews, but without keeping the Torah. In that case, they'll be pretend bad Jews

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What I am claiming is that the inward hidden seed of God within humans is a Jew when that person believes in the promises of God and the ways of the God of Israel.

That person has a seed of faith in that he believes in a resurrection where a seed hidden within himself will go on living and that inward heavenly seed is called,'' a Jew.''

I say that Gentiles represent the first born and the first born ALWAYS represents ,'' Flesh.''

I say that Cain represented flesh, so did Ishmael, so did Esau, and so did the Northern kingdom in which God says,'' Ephraim is my first born son.''

I say that the Jew represents the inward seed of God when a person believes in God and obtains the adoption that is promised to gentiles.

That God made one man out of the two sons.

One is a gentile, and one is a Jew, but now, all are gentiles because all are of flesh, all of God's people also are Jews because the Jew is the hidden inward man of the spirit.

If a gentile dies daily so that Jesus lives in his place, that hidden man is a Jew, and we are to die daily to our fleshly desires and to seek to satisfy the child of the spirit, to raise it in the milk of the word until it can eat the meat of the word.,

And then one day, a woman will give birth to a man.

BetaChristian said:

It's impossible for a gentile by DNA to turn into a Jew, by DNA.
The question is though, is it really about the DNA?

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No.

It's not about blood to me, it is about spirit.

danny ski said:

I would not know where to even begin to answer that. It's just not part of my garden as a famous rabbi once said. I mean no disrespect. BTW Hosea 11 1 is not a prophecy.

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Well, I'm speaking from the book of Matthew about it being called a prophecy, that God would take his son out of Egypt, and this happened with Jesus in the book of Matthew.

danny ski said:

This is a curious conversation. Since neither the Jews of the past nor the present accept the messianic claims re. Jesus, what difference does it make? Paul had no authority to impose any changes to a relationship between Jews and non-Jews and any rulings on priesthood were way beyond his reach. From where I stand, as a Jew, this whole line of reasoning looks kind of silly. I make no claim on priesthood because my family is not of the cohanim branch-there's no disgrace in that. Nor is it a disgrace for being a goy. What matters is a quality of character and an ethical life. There is a monumental, indeed an Olympic disgrace, to claim to be something one is clearly not permitted to be.

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A gentile becomes a Levite.


…20"Then they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as a grain offering to the LORD, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem," says the LORD, "just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the LORD. 21"I will also take some of them for priests and for Levites," says the LORD.

I look at Israel in a broader sense then most, I look at them symbolically as a nation of priests, and I believe they were meant to be just that.

Just hasn't happened as yet.

But a priest or a light to the world would be a light inside a person, if you teach that person the laws of God.