Which big time preacher???

How much hatred do you have for someone to you to want to watch them being cast into hell? And it is a source of joy.

Simply Put said:

How much hatred do you have for someone to you to want to watch them being cast into hell? And it is a source of joy.

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We shouldn't feed trolls on CF.

Gospel Guy said:

Wow, who said I wanted to watch anyone being thrown in to hell???

My point is, which big time preacher is twisting scripture and leading people astray since the Bible does say in the end times people will not endure sound doctrine and will be heaping to themselves teachers having itching ears (2 Timothy 4:3) so they can hear what they want to hear instead of what God has to say?

They are the ones Jesus is talking about that did what these people THOUGHT were great works but they did not know Jesus and so He tells them to depart from Him because He did not know them (not intimate with Jesus).

In this day and age, the suggestion that ANYBODY might go to hell (even though Jesus says many do) draws accusations of not being in love from those that are deceived into following man-made doctrine instead of what God's Word teaches... today, many cannot see the truth that is plainly before them in the written Word of God.

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How about you focus on the blatantly lost and leave even those mascarading as Christians to the One they claim to live in. There's nothing you can do one way or the other to change them so why do you feel as though it is your mission to figure out which will go to hell, if any. You are presuming A LOT with this thread, more than anyone filled with God's love should concern themselves with. The awesome thing about God's love is when you have it flowing in your heart you won't have the desire to point out the faults in others, you will only be thankful that God had mercy on you for your own. Think on that for a while.

Gospel Guy said:

Wow, who said I wanted to watch anyone being thrown in to hell???

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Umm....

Gospel Guy said:

It'll be interesting to see which TV preacher goes to hell won't it?

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You.

Gospel Guy said:

Unfortunately... most of the "lost" discredit Christianity by the way many so-called Christians live which is by satan's design. He's laughs his backside off at Christians that can't even control their flesh, much less do anything to derail the forces of darkness.

Jesus and Paul both had some very, very strong things to say concerning those that have access to God's Word claiming to be representing God. It's high time Christians start calling out hypocrites among us that are teaching lies on TV claiming to be speaking for God!

There's too much worldliness in the Church and it's time for some of these folks to start reaping the flesh that they are sowing. Nothing worse than a panty waste preacher that ain't got the backbone to stand up for what God's Word teaches and instead opt for this seeker sensitive dung and call it gospel





Never said I'd take joy in it... that's something you dreamed up on yer own.

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Fair enough so take your anointed message to where it matters, inside a church. Here on CF you are just barking up a tree, probably one of the very people you rail so hard against. Try it, go to service on Sunday, stand up in front of your congregation with or without authorization and tell them they are all weak and spineless for living like hypocrits or allowing others to. See where that gets ya, because apparently "love" has got you nowhere. Let us know how that turns out for ya, since you feel so strongly about it, surely all will go well and the hypocritical multitudes will no doubt shun you because they are after all hypocrits.

Gospel Guy said:

So you guys think Matthew 7:21-23 does not apply to preachers?
Is it just us little people that this applies to?

And as far as judging is concerned, why do think I'm not walking in love?
Love is doing what Jesus says and there's no doubt that Jesus is going
to tell some to depart from Him and it's going to be some that have done
what will be considered to be great things.

Why would we ignore what Jesus said here in Matthew 7:21-23?
It's a very thought provoking, and sobering thing our Lord said, right?

It's obvious that some that are well know will not be spending eternity
with the Father. It's a shame too cause these folks are without excuse
seeing they know the Bible.

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I don't see any reason to exclude preachers. I think that the passage in Matthew is speaking of people who think that they are in right standing with God and are actually not. The details given seem to indicate religious people and specifically religious people who say that they believe in Jesus. That suggests church people , both preachers and laypersons.

This is a sobering passage since it teaches that there will be some who think that they are saved who are actually not saved.

Gospel Guy said:

Obviously you either think Jesus did not walk in love with all the strong things He said against religious people... or, you are not aware of what He said.

You should read the New Testament... it's not all popsicles and puppy doggies

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Do you know what the very people Jesus spoke so passionately about, the ones you try so hard to say are like these big time preachers, what their main error was? They read a whole bunch of scripture (John 5:39-40) and condemned other people for not knowing it as well as themselves (John 7:49) and for not living according to it as they interpretted it (John 7:53-8:11), just like you are doing now. But just like Jesus we should not condemn others, we should help them and when the world is against them show them the love of God. As my brother Simply Put has in his sig line, a quote from Messy which is so true, turn or burn is not good news. Jesus didn't tell us to go and tell everyone they are going to burn in hell if they don't repent, He said tell of the good news which is that God loves us and wants to adopt us into His family and give us His very Spirit! Two totally different things, one is the true gospel and the other is not.

Gospel Guy said:

Obviously you either think Jesus did not walk in love with all the strong things He said against religious people... or, you are not aware of what He said.

You should read the New Testament... it's not all popsicles and puppy doggies

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Sometimes people here warn for ministries, which is good and helpful. I once went to a very srange meeting and asked here if it was kosher, it was not. But I don't believe every heresy hunter on the web, they're most of the time very hateful and condemn almost everyone who does something for the Lord. So you have to watch out with false teachers and heresy hunters.

As sometimes (too often) happens on this board, things are misconstrued, misquoted, and turned into an attack...

what I saw said was not that one would happily watch anyone go to hell...
but that there was a lot of deception in the church and the Scriptures confirm that some in the church are tares...

Jesus Himself said to the crowd, and confirmed in more detail to the 12, that there were 'tares' going to be sown greatly amidst the wheat of the last days, and in the end time, judgment angels would sever the tares from the wheat (tares looked like wheat till harvest time, then turned black... and if left in the wheat harvest the tares poisoned the wheat)...

this was one of the any Biblical teachings that shows that evil men would infiltrate the church and spoil its message with false teachings...

Jesus also indicated that when the 'tares' were removed, and burnt... the wheat would have a great harvest... revival would truly ensue...

identifying a tare from wheat is the difficult issue... and it is best to let the Lord work in that identifying... we can know them by their fruit, or lack of it...


Matthew 13:24-26 (KJV)
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.



Matthew 13:30 (KJV)
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:40-43 (KJV)
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.


To preach the same message as did Jesus is not often popular... and even on Christian message boards gets some un-nice resistance...


So, Jesus Himself is saying that 'fire', i.e. hell fire, is the end for these 'tares'... and when they are gone... 'the righteous shine forth'...

So, was Jesus saying He was rejoicing in the end of those 'tares'... I don't think sooooooooo!! So, instead of twisting words here to make it sound like anyone is happy that tares exist, or that their end will be (if unrepentant) hell fire... is not NICE!

Yes but the point being, and refute this all you want but it's the truth, did Jesus tell us to sit around and point out all the faults in others or go and preach the gospel? How could the OP even know a true teacher from false teacher anyway? That type of knowledge is only known by God who sees man's heart. I agree there are certain ministries that should be warned against, and I myself have done so on this board (with you, murhajel, and several others objecting oddly enough though now you say it is ok), but this is not a lookout for this ministry because of x y z type thread. This is a shotgun blast everyone who could potentially be a false teacher type thread that does NOTHING to advance God's Kingdom. How many of us here have at one time or another believed a false doctrine or thought something true that wasn't? Does that mean we will go to hell too?

Gospel Guy said:

Have you ever wondered which big time preacher, especially the ones on TV that have access to large audiences, is Jesus talking about in this scripture???

It'll be interesting to see which TV preacher goes to hell won't it?


Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. (see James 1:22)
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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Gospel Guy said:

Wow, who said I wanted to watch anyone being thrown in to hell???

My point is, which big time preacher is twisting scripture and leading people astray since the Bible does say in the end times people will not endure sound doctrine and will be heaping to themselves teachers having itching ears (2 Timothy 4:3) so they can hear what they want to hear instead of what God has to say?

They are the ones Jesus is talking about that did what these people THOUGHT were great works but they did not know Jesus and so He tells them to depart from Him because He did not know them (not intimate with Jesus).

In this day and age, the suggestion that ANYBODY might go to hell (even though Jesus says many do) draws accusations of not being in love from those that are deceived into following man-made doctrine instead of what God's Word teaches... today, many cannot see the truth that is plainly before them in the written Word of God.

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I accept as true, your explanation given for what you meant in the words you chose to use in your opening post.

And I do agree, that unfortunately it's become quite unpopular in some circles these days to even mention hell, let alone to preach about it.

Gospel Guy said:

Never said I'd take joy in it... that's something you dreamed up on yer own.

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Oh, my mistake -

then you do have genuine concern for them and are praying for them on a continual basis.

When was the last time you interceded for them? Asked God to help them?






yeah, I didn't think so.

Preaching, teaching, is done publicly... Intercession is a private ministry between the person and God. To levy a charge that someone is not an intercessor, just because they identify a sin as a sin, is an assumption...

I hope that all here are intercessors, and if you aren't, please don't tell me, I may have to start a series on it...

Intercessory prayer is a key to revival, to God moving in power... and if we are 'Spirit filled', we must be intercessors!!!!

murjahel said:

Preaching, teaching, is done publicly... Intercession is a private ministry between the person and God. To levy a charge that someone is not an intercessor, just because they identify a sin as a sin, is an assumption...

I hope that all here are intercessors, and if you aren't, please don't tell me, I may have to start a series on it...

Intercessory prayer is a key to revival, to God moving in power... and if we are 'Spirit filled', we must be intercessors!!!!

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Have you ever interceded for someone and been able to think it would be interesting to see if they go to hell?

Personally, when I intercede for someone, my heart breaks for them and I want the very best for them.

Simply Put said:

Have you ever interceded for someone and been able to think it would be interesting to see if they go to hell?

Personally, when I intercede for someone, my heart breaks for them and I want the very best for them.

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I think you are reading too much into his 'interest' in who were the ones who were so errant that they are bound for hell... His interest, as he tried to state to you, is not 'anxiousness', or 'happiness', it is 'curiosity'.

So, if curiosity makes one evil on that, even Jesus, as I showed spoke of the curiosity in Matthew 13... not knowing who the 'tares' were, since they appear so much like the 'wheat', we await the 'blackness' of tares to be revealed in the last days, and we do not send them to hell, we only sadly observe the judgment that God sends to do that...

We are to look for fruit, we are to test and try all doctrines, we are to 'know them'... and to intercede for them, preach the truth to them... and ignorance is not the answer. It sounds like you are saying he would be better to ignorantly listen to all, accept all, and be fooled by those who are the wolves in sheeps clothing.. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING???

murjahel said:

It sounds like you are saying he would be better to ignorantly listen to all, accept all, and be fooled by those who are the wolves in sheeps clothing.. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING???

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NO THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING??!!

Does the all caps add importance to it?

I'm not saying anything for or against any minister, I am saying, let's see if I can make this plain:

If you think someone is bound for hell - shouldn't you be praying for them?

Jesus attracted crowds in the thousands.

Timothy had the first mega church with estimates over 16,000

Paul preached to thousands

Peter had people lining the streets in the hope that just his shadow would touch them and they would be healed.

Billy Graham preached to millions at once

Bonke has seen crowds of 750,000 plus

Even Benny Hinn has seen crowds of 600,000+

Do the numbers mean people have itching ears, or they are hungry for someone to share the good news of Jesus Christ.

Gospel Guy's prejudice is quite plain - he is wearing it on his sleeve.

Curiosity - why didn't you answer my question on intercession?