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EternalDragon said:

How is it so hard to do simple math or look up population statistics? Each couple, if they have 3 daughters and those three daughters have 3 daughters and so on you get to over 14 million in 350 years. It is 3 to the power of 15.

That is probably closer to a maximum. Because in just 500 years (barring accidental deaths and such) those 4 couples could have created a population greater than we have today. If you factor in unknowns or one less daughter per couple it is still going to be in the millions in just 350 years.

Could the world have repopulated from 3 or 4 woman as is implied in the most literal way of reading the Noah’s ark story? | Looking around and trying to understand

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3 daughters, having 3 daughters, having 3 daughters, etc sounds like a lot of lesbian immaculate conception. Or incest...

Where did all the diversity (Asians, Africans, Caucasians) come from if we all descended from one family?

Lethe said:

I'm demonstrating that 350 years from 6 to 14.5 million is absurd.

How did you not follow that?

1) What growth rate would be required to achieve 14.5 million from six?
Answer: Somewhere north of 4.2%

2) Have we ever seen that growth rate today, with all our amazing technology and ability to defeat death in numerous ways?

NO.

3) CONCLUSION: Ken Ham is full of nonsense. Or, much more unlikely, a pre-industrial society, pre-modern medicine, achieved growth rates never achieved anywhere else except certain locations during the height of the industrial revolution.

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Something from nothing, absent of an intelligence is absurd too.

So is a .46% rate acceptable? I've seen that on another site. How about a million or so people by the time of Babel to then disperse and populate Egypt, Australia, Europe, the Middle East, etc. in another thousand or so years?

I believe the world population was never over 5 million until civilization advanced somewhat as a whole.

So is a .46% rate acceptable?

For what? Between when?

A 0.46% rate results in a population doubling every 150 years. That would mean 6 people go to 12 people in 150 years.


All yall creationists are bad at math.

Let me be very precise: you cannot pretend that Noah landed 350 years before the first Egyptian dynasty. DOES NOT WORK.

Non sequitur said:

3 daughters, having 3 daughters, having 3 daughters, etc sounds like a lot of lesbian immaculate conception. Or incest...

Where did all the diversity (Asians, Africans, Caucasians) come from if we all descended from one family?

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From Noah and his family of course.

Where did all the diversity come from in evolutionary terms? They say we are all of one species, Homo sapiens and that race is merely a difference in genetic alleles.
Race (human classification) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which Noah and his family had. Noah was closer to the first humans created so they could have been more genetically rich. Also you do not know what his three son's wives looked like. There could have already been variety available there.

EternalDragon said:

From Noah and his family of course.

Where did all the diversity come from in evolutionary terms? They say we are all of one species, Homo sapiens and that race is merely a difference in genetic alleles.
Race (human classification) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which Noah and his family had. Noah was closer to the first humans created so they could have been more genetically rich. Also you do not know what his three son's wives looked like. There could have already been variety available there.

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You do realize each human has only 2 alleles of a gene, right? At most, with 8 family members you have 16 alleles in your population.

Lethe said:

Let me be very precise: you cannot pretend that Noah landed 350 years before the first Egyptian dynasty. DOES NOT WORK.

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The start of Egypt is calculated to be hundreds of years after the flood ended. Not to mention that the chronology for Egypt is still up in the air due to numerous anomalies. I went over that in another post.


"The disparities between the two sets of dates result from additional discoveries and refined understanding of the still very incomplete source evidence."
Egyptian chronology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The start of Egypt is calculated to be hundreds of years after the flood ended. Not to mention that the chronology for Egypt is still up in the air due to numerous anomalies. I went over that in another post.

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And I just went over this, 350 years is not long enough after the flood to build up the population.

Tomk80 said:

You do realize each human has only 2 alleles of a gene, right? At most, with 8 family members you have 16 alleles in your population.

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So we all look very similar and there is only one color shade of a white person and one color shade of a black person and so on? Is that what you are saying?

I though humans had a great number of varying characteristics.

EternalDragon said:

The start of Egypt is calculated to be hundreds of years after the flood ended. Not to mention that the chronology for Egypt is still up in the air due to numerous anomalies. I went over that in another post.


"The disparities between the two sets of dates result from additional discoveries and refined understanding of the still very incomplete source evidence."
Egyptian chronology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Egypt existed BEFORE the dynasties.

Early Dynastic Period of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Prehistoric Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Egyptians did not just come out of nowhere, they developed over quite a long time. You can't just stop where it's convenient, you can't just pick at the data and take out what fits your argument. It's all or nothing.

Lethe said:

And I just went over this, 350 years is not long enough after the flood to build up the population.

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What do we need it to get to? 500,000? A million?

How about having more robust individuals with many less mutations built up and a cleaner genetic makeup than we have today? Also, I thought scientists already discovered that humans can all be traced back to one mother.

lasthero said:

Egypt existed BEFORE the dynasties.

Early Dynastic Period of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Prehistoric Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Egyptians did not just come out of nowhere, they developed over quite a long time. You can't just stop where it's convenient, you can't just pick at the data and take out what fits your argument. It's all or nothing.

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How do you know this?

Yes, I realize they did not come out of nowhere. They came from some of the peoples that tried to build the Tower of Babel.

EternalDragon said:

Also, I thought scientists already discovered that humans can all be traced back to one mother.

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No. No, they did not. Ever. Never. Not once.

What you are probably referring to is what is colloquially referred to as Mitochondrial Eve, our matrilineal most recent common ancestor.

Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please read this. Don't skim. Don't just pick out the part that you feel supports your position. Actually read it.

EternalDragon said:

How do you know this?

Yes, I realize they did not come out of nowhere. They came from some of the peoples that tried to build the Tower of Babel.

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There are links in my post. Click on them. They explain how we know this.

How about having more robust individuals with many less mutations built up and a cleaner genetic makeup than we have today?

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You mean magic? Something we've never before seen which also happens to directly contradict genetic evidence from frozen corpses dating to the time period?

What does that even mean, 'cleaner genetic makeup', and what does that have to do with reproduction?

...with many less mutations built up ...

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Mutations from what? From what point?

EternalDragon said:

So we all look very similar and there is only one color shade of a white person and one color shade of a black person and so on? Is that what you are saying?

I though humans had a great number of varying characteristics.

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They do.

Cuz one family didn't incestuously populate the planet.

AV1611VET said:

Paul says it best.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

In other words, professing themselves to be [Homo] sapiens, they became atheists.

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You know, wisdom in the Bible is generally considered a good thing.

Proverbs 4:7 said:

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

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Focusing so much on the literal meaning of the term "Homo Sapiens" is silly. The term is used because Homo Sapiens, aka humans, are "wiser", aka more intelligent, than other living creatures on Earth. The Bible agrees with this:

Genesis 1:26 said:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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It doesn't mean that certain humans are wiser than other humans (every human is a Homo Sapiens after all) or that atheists are wiser than other people, or that humans are wiser than God. All it means is that humans are smarter than animals. Do you think you're smarter than a pig or a dog? If you do, you should have no problem with the term "Homo Sapiens".

EternalDragon said:

What do we need it to get to? 500,000? A million?

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We don't need to get to anything since we already have data showing us what happened. The human population is so genetically diverse today that it is physically impossible for it to have gone through two bottlenecks (Adam and Noah) in the past 6,000 years. Simple as that. The genetic diversity that we have today can only be the result of a population size that remained stable in the dozens of thousands to hundreds of thousands for at least half a million years.

EternalDragon said:

How about having more robust individuals with many less mutations built up and a cleaner genetic makeup than we have today? Also, I thought scientists already discovered that humans can all be traced back to one mother.

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That actually goes against your argument. To generate the high genetic diversity that our population has today, you would need individuals with more mutations and a "dirtier" genetic makeup that everybody else alive today. It would help a lot if you read a few paragraphs about genetics before you proposed these "ideas".